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[Fiery Phoenix]

The only thing I don't understand is why Garrus and Tali aren't loyal from the very beginning. The reason why I would think they are is self-explanatory.

[Chuvvy]

I thought they could have handled ME1 LI's better,you only get one conversation. With Liara it's not even one unique conversation. You should be able to talk to the more than once but,it's not like we have a comm room or emai- oh wait.



I didn't like that squad members had three powers,they're meant to be the best in the galaxy. Samara's a justicar that's 600+ years old.In that time I think she'd be able to learn more than three biotic powers. Jack's supposed to be the strongest biotic in the galaxy she only has two.

I liked Shepard's power wheel,I wish all the squad members were like that.



I don't like that you have to bone a LI you can't just talk to them.I don't like that you can't say that your with someone else. Like Tali was with me when I saw Liara again,we get back to the ship and she makes a pass at me. I feel like she should remember what happened maybe twenty minutes ago. And I can't say "I don't want to cheat on Liara."



Can it wait a minuet I'm in the middle of some calibrations. Two conversations with Garrus? Really?



I'd like a few more pistols/SMGs but that's not really a complaint.



Why can't I skip the 9 minuet cuscene at the beginning of the game? Why if I import a chracter from ME1 I get a Paragon/Renegade bonus,but when I beat the game and import that same character from ME2 I get no Paragon/Renegade bonus. And why don't I get to keep my upgrades I hate starting a new game you have to spend the first hour and a half to two hours getting resources. I know you don't HAVE to but you basically do if you want a chance on hardcore or insanity,and I like to get all the mining out of the way early.



Why can't isn't Samara an LI? Do want. I thought her almost romance was better than the others.



Why isn't grunt's unlockable power a headbutt?



When I'm in cover,what's up with the crab walk?





Other than that I like everything. All the classes are well balanced atleast on lower difficulty's. I've had very few glitches and only one that made me have to reload my save and I've done 6 or 7 playthroughs.

[FlyinElk212]

Slidell505 wrote...

Why isn't grunt's unlockable power a headbutt?

/thread

[SolitonMan]

The more I think about it, the more I'm disappointed with the inclusion of ammo in the game. Not in the implementation itself, which was perfectly fine. No, it's what ammo inclusion represents - compliance on the part of Bioware with the whim of a few, instead of considering their own vision for a game. I really, really, really do not understand why having the OPTION to upgrade a weapon and make it never overheat was such a peeve of some people. How can it possibly affect anyone else how I choose to upgrade MY weapon? And if you hate unlimited ammo, why would you ever use that configuration?



*Sigh!*



Now I read that EA is charging for Kasumi? Is that right? F*** that. I'm done with this title.

[InvaderErl]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The only thing I don't understand is why Garrus and Tali aren't loyal from the very beginning. The reason why I would think they are is self-explanatory.

The term loyalty doesn't really apply to their missions. Its more about getting them focused and free from distractions.

[M 3 i m 0 n]

I don't remeber the name of the guy here that say: "You cry about "this", you cry... blablabla" ?_? LMAO! Plz man, no1 here is cryining. Read the title thread, then post. And people (like Drago) here, write with argumentations. We appriciate u're personal opinons, but we'd like 2 see argumentations 2. Argumentations makes a discussion.

SolitonMan wrote...

The more I think about it, the more
I'm disappointed with the inclusion of ammo in the game. Not in the
implementation itself, which was perfectly fine. No, it's what ammo
inclusion represents - compliance on the part of Bioware with the whim
of a few, instead of considering their own vision for a game. I really,
really, really do not understand why having the OPTION to upgrade a
weapon and make it never overheat was such a peeve of some people. How
can it possibly affect anyone else how I choose to upgrade MY weapon?
And if you hate unlimited ammo, why would you ever use that
configuration?

*Sigh!*

Now I read that EA is charging for Kasumi? Is that right? F*** that. I'm done with this title.

Man, u're right (imho). Sure the implementation of the ammo system itself is good, but is the clips system that i can't understand. A thing that make me feel like an idiot is watching my teammate. They just shot more than me and never end the munitions! LOL!!!! That’s another reason why I dislike the new system. The old system have a great logic! And can be possible 4 a future 2! Indeed I’ve seen that system in some films. I know that BioWare Justified their decision through the codex… but... Also note this. U can take the clips just walking on them. This doesn’t break the fighting sequence. What about an animation (Shepard crouch an take the clips when he is walking, or make a *****, or something like, if he is running)? This let u the choice to use u’re biotic powers (or u can use 1 of u’re team to take the attentions of u’re enemies and take the fire) to stop the enemy’s fire 4 the time that u need 2 take the clips. This is an exemple/idea. But I like the overheating system. That make me scream: “WTF!!!! This should be the future!” 

Modifié par M 3 i m 0 n, 12 mars 2010 - 02:39 .

[Crimmsonwind]

My disappointment in ME2 is... Well, I felt like it was apart from the main story to a degree. There was a lot more focus placed on characters than there was on story, which was a bit weak to me. I'd like to have that same level of character exploration together with a more expansive story. I want to feel like I'm working toward fighting the reapers and all that fun stuff, not running errands for my companions. I don't mind helping out my pals with some personal issues, but I don't want that to be the core game time.



I was "eh" with the weapons. I guess I do like them. I could've gone either way. I like the more RPG side of ME. I kind of missed the old skill system though.



Lastly, higher level cap would have been nice. I maxed out to 30 way too early, or so I felt. :/

[FutureBoy81]

when i was on the previous bioware board and voiced my concerns about the action orientated path the game was going other board members would scoff at my remarks stating everything was improved, the graphics the fighting mechanics, the Exploration, long and behold i find they did fix the exploration by making it non-existant, HA! good one bioware .

[FutureBoy81]

Shockwave81 wrote...

I've played ME2 five times from start to finish, I've built 'emotional' bonds to Samara, Miranda, Mordin, and even Jack.

I still haven't tapped into the compulsion I had for multiple replays of ME1 - I can't find it no matter how hard I try.

I feel like the spirit of ME1 is missing from ME2. Aside from the opening scenes, my Shepard feels like a complete stranger. It feels like the Prothean visions meant nothing, and Ilos, Feros and Noveria never existed.

It's a real shame that the data from ME1 couldn't have been utilised to allow visits to old locations. In my opinion, this is where the illusion of a truly interactive and living universe is shattered.

I honestly feel that the limitations imposed by an outdated data storage medium (DVD) and ME1's game engine, have probably ruined any chance of this series reaching its true potential.

i would have to agree with everything you said and you worded it perfectly ..

[Tasker]

FutureBoy81 wrote...

when i was on the previous bioware board and voiced my concerns about the action orientated path the game was going other board members would scoff at my remarks stating everything was improved, the graphics the fighting mechanics, the Exploration, long and behold i find they did fix the exploration by making it non-existant, HA! good one bioware .

Pretty much how they solved nearly all of the problems people had with ME1. 

After all, if something isn't there then you don't have to bother fixing it.

[Jaysonie]

FutureBoy81 wrote...

when i was on the previous bioware board and voiced my concerns about the action orientated path the game was going other board members would scoff at my remarks stating everything was improved, the graphics the fighting mechanics, the Exploration, long and behold i find they did fix the exploration by making it non-existant, HA! good one bioware .

What was your username, i dont remember anybody even bringing up that.

[Jymm]

I don't know if anyone from Bioware will ever manage to read all this handwringing on the boards, but I might as well do my part to contribute I suppose. These are my _personal opinions_ from having played both games extensively.



I thought the ammo thing would really bug me but after playing ME2 it doesn't. The combat is demonstrably better, IMO.



I'm sort of neutral on the MAKO bits, but I hear it was worse on XBOX. I did in fact drive over every square foot of every single planet and collected every last resource despite not really "needing" them.



In contrast I would rather sit an hour on a hot iron then spend it on that scanning minigame. It ceased being "fun" after the very first planet. It does less to make the universe feel more inhabited than the MAKO bits. Something about landing there vs. swiping a cursor over a 3d representation.... And now I'm pretty much required to get those resources. And there is no meter telling me when the agony is over. How do I know when I finally have enough of this @#$@ so I can stop scanning. I can only squeeze in about 2 hour play sessions after my daughter goes to bed and every other session I spend 3/4 of the time mindlessly swishing my mouse back and forth. Worst game design decision I've seen from Bioware, a company I respect greatly and whose products I purchase reflexively.



I didn't miss the inventory system much and I thought the handling of the weapon locker loadouts was good. I think it would be an ideal compromise where there were a few more weapon choices, clearer definition of the difference between them and maybe a choice of which upgrades you want to apply to each weapon, still without the inventory and without the vast piles of loot. Limited complaint here though.



The story is still great, the writing is still incredible, the voice acting still the best in the business. I remain in awe as always. As with many other people here, the more you do of it the better. We will never be sated.



Along those lines, I feel you may be better off with a smaller cast of characters that you invest more in. ME1 had a smaller cast and with it you could afford to invest more effort in fewer characters. Don't get me wrong, the characters are great. Its just that you don't want to ever let them feel thin or 2-dimensional.



I did feel the number of powers / abilities was too "streamlined" for my tastes. Each character has so few abilities and so many of them overlap with other characters. It was a loss in my mind. My team felt noticeably less powerful than in ME1 where we could pop off one ability after another, even if they were individually weaker. The 1-2-3-evolve method works fine for me though. I liked that part.



Lastly I really hate the fact that morality points are a sub-in for persuasion. I agree with several other reviewers and posters that it forces meta-gaming: I have to think "Even if I would choose this other option naturally, that will limit my character's effectiveness." The fact that persuade options are often more morally upright than just shooting or intimidating people makes sense. The fact that my moral meter is higher means I'm more persuasive and somehow less intimidating makes very little sense to me. Its a loss for both realism and gameplay at the same time and that is tragic. This issue is second ONLY to the godforsaken planet scanning thing for me personally.



Thanks for your time.

[slyguy07]

Jaysonie wrote...

slyguy07 wrote...

One other thing I forgot to add to my earlier reply. KILL the universal cooldown. It's dumb. If barrier, fortification, and geth shielding worth actually worth a crap it would make them worthless all over again. A 12 second cooldown? Ouch.

I think it works better. You cant unload all your powers at once like the first game, now you have to think about what your going to use.

Powers had a much longer cooldown time in the first game. You couldn't spam them like you can in this game. To be frank I disagree. You should be able to pop a defensive power and then use an offensive one imo.  Part of problem is that many of the powers are useless in ME2 still and some that were worthwhile in ME1 are now no longer worth having. (e.g. throw)

The way they implemented it acceptable in most situations however as it doesn't get in the way most times.
Ammo powers are dumb, but that is another topic altogether.

[DonFredek]

absolutely right man,but bioware should have some experience knowing that people by their games for role playing.seriously games become dumber and dumber.excom was a better game something like hundred years ago.everything that was great was ruined in ME 2.they could have made the side missions a lil more interesting not that repetitive and a lil more tactic in combat(the termo clips are a joke).it is really dissappointing and unnecessary

yoda23 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.    

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.    

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

[DonFredek]

if not for the coolest ugliest shpeheard,Fail Shephard,this game would be much worse than one but fail saves the game.

[Tasker]

DonFredek wrote...

absolutely right man,but bioware should have some experience knowing that people by their games for role playing.seriously games become dumber and dumber.excom was a better game something like hundred years ago.everything that was great was ruined in ME 2.they could have made the side missions a lil more interesting not that repetitive and a lil more tactic in combat(the termo clips are a joke).it is really dissappointing and unnecessary

yoda23 wrote...

newcomplex wrote...

Seriously, don't start a thread with /discuss. Its wholesomely unproductive. This thread would be on so much better footing if you made a thesis, taking care to follow your own guidelines.

The same sex romance thread started with a FAQ and several points of contention.    

Though I suppose its better then the other guys flame ridden OP.    

WRONG! It's posts like this that got some of the good stuff in ME1 removed from the game. I just wish I had participated more in the ME1 forums before the XBOX twits got their hands on ME2. IMO the XBOX crowd has dumbed down ME enough already. Time to speak up for ME3 before the console crowd fully ruins the game for everyone else. Check my math but this WAS a dynamite Sci-Fi RPG. Not a FPS! But obviously it only counts if the RPG fans step up and start posting. i.e. Lack of Inventory, Fewer weapon choices, Boring planet scanning. I recall all the harrassment over the Mako and the elevator scenes and look where all that hot air got us, a linear FPS action game with fewer RPG elements and LESS exploration. Not this time, not for ME3! People need to speak up before the XBOX ers ruin that game too.

I couldn't agree more.

I buy Bioware games because they are one of the few developers that make deeply engrosing RPGs, not because they make bog standard run of the mill FPSs.

To me with ME2, it feels as though Bioware have just gone, "I know lets ignore all the loyal customers that suported up over the years and gave us the reputation that we currently have, but instead start catering to the fickle - 10 second attention span gamers that have never bought our games before."

Now i'm not against Bioware doing that, I know they have to make money and I do like the occasional FPS game myself, but previouse BIoware games have sold in their millions so why the need for Bioware to change their direction now?

Fair enough try something new, but it should be with a new IP, not one that already exists with it's established looks and layout.

[xDarkicex]

Main disappointment With the whole Game no Mod tool kit even worse making it hard to mod ><

but in gameplay zaeed not talking is kind of a bummer because I really like him, legion being accessed at the end of the game when he has so much great dialog through the game

and citadel being tiny and not knowing legion is a geth and calling him a personal synthetic assistant...

WTF the security is worthless if they have no idea what a geth looks like.

[Rendar666]

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

I don't remeber the name of the guy here that say: "You cry about "this", you cry... blablabla" ?_? LMAO! Plz man, no1 here is cryining. Read the title thread, then post. And people (like Drago) here, write with argumentations. We appriciate u're personal opinons, but we'd like 2 see argumentations 2. Argumentations makes a discussion.

Umm. Unsure from which planet you come, but arguing does not make discussion. It make arguements. Discussion makes discussion. You Discuss what you do not like, you do not argue back and forth. That only creates friction and angers/ annoys others. The OP says "Open Discussion", not "Open Arguement".

I don't think you're replying to what I said. And I really don't care, to be honest. But, I was arguing about things, so I hope you weren't replying to me.

The only problem, is when I see Drago posting, he isn't supporting his arguements with facts or anything, really, to back it up. It's complaint after complaint with nothing sound to hold it against the destruction that soon comes to it. When you don't use facts or even REASONS, your post isn't worthy of response. If arguing is what you want, then, once again, prove your point. Make us see your side or you just plain PHAIL, with a PH for the ultimate of disgraces! Muwahaha!

BTW, mine was a rebuttal meant simply to throw the OP's post DOWN and stomp on it by saying "Your 'arguements' have no facts and so have no leverage the court of 'impovements and things you dislike'"!!!!

Modifié par Rendar666, 13 mars 2010 - 06:04 .

[M 3 i m 0 n]

Rendar666 wrote...

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

I don't remeber the name of the guy here that say: "You cry about "this", you cry... blablabla" ?_? LMAO! Plz man, no1 here is cryining. Read the title thread, then post. And people (like Drago) here, write with argumentations. We appriciate u're personal opinons, but we'd like 2 see argumentations 2. Argumentations makes a discussion.

Umm. Unsure from which planet you come, but arguing does not make discussion. It make arguements. Discussion makes discussion. You Discuss what you do not like, you do not argue back and forth. That only creates friction and angers/ annoys others. The OP says "Open Discussion", not "Open Arguement".

I don't think you're replying to what I said. And I really don't care, to be honest. But, I was arguing about things, so I hope you weren't replying to me.

The only problem, is when I see Drago posting, he isn't supporting his arguements with facts or anything, really, to back it up. It's complaint after complaint with nothing sound to hold it against the destruction that soon comes to it. When you don't use facts or even REASONS, your post isn't worthy of response. If arguing is what you want, then, once again, prove your point. Make us see your side or you just plain PHAIL, with a PH for the ultimate of disgraces! Muwahaha!

BTW, mine was a rebuttal meant simply to throw the OP's post DOWN and stomp on it by saying "Your 'arguements' have no facts and so have no leverage the court of 'impovements and things you dislike'"!!!!

                                                                                      ?_?

Argumentations makes a discussion. If u want 2 speak about milk u have 2 speak about the differences between cows (if we want 2 take take cows 4 a comparative, but we should take many different animals...). About what cows eat. About how/where cows lives, in what conditions them lives. And go on. Here (again, like the thread says) we speak about the differences between ME1 and ME2. People speaks about what they like and dislike. But if u say: "U're wrong... blablabla ciaciacia", i think that u have to write some argumentations to maintain what u have write. In Drago's posts i've read comparatives between ME1 and ME2 (about systems, plot, dialogues, quests, graphic, ...). If u want i can use the quote button to quote all his posts. Maybe u have miss them. But np. Some peolpe have fun 2 write whitout argumentations. Some peolpe have fun 2 write with argumentations. Good day sir.
 

Modifié par M 3 i m 0 n, 13 mars 2010 - 09:09 .

[legend of kane]

For me there is a spirit missing from ME 2. Its like ME 2 is in a different univerese than ME 1 is in.
Its really all the small things that made a difference, helemet toggle, walking in and out of your ship, ect..
I honestly think the elevators in ME 1 were a brilliant idea to hide the load screens.  All they needed was a tweek
so they would look like they were going faster, this way you would feel like you were traveling further. A small
tweek to the elevators speed, instead we got loads of load screens to consistantly break the emersion.

I can look past most everything, but the BIGGEST FAIL to me was the axing of exploration, it was the biggest selling point of ME 1, its what got me interested in the first place, it was the most "improved" feature of ME 2 i was
looking forward to, scanning is not an improvment, an interesting idea, but not an improvment. I knew ME 2
was going to be a different game than ME 1, but i don't think i was expecting so much to be pulled or
sanded down so much.

Overall i like ME 2, but in a freindship kinda way. Its not the love affair i had with ME 1. I played that more than
15x's, i can't see myself going past the 5th playthrough on ME 2, the want is just not there this time.
Its a lot of fun for a shoot 'em up, but thats really it.

Modifié par legend of kane, 13 mars 2010 - 07:19 .

[Rendar666]

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

Rendar666 wrote...

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

I don't remeber the name of the guy here that say: "You cry about "this", you cry... blablabla" ?_? LMAO! Plz man, no1 here is cryining. Read the title thread, then post. And people (like Drago) here, write with argumentations. We appriciate u're personal opinons, but we'd like 2 see argumentations 2. Argumentations makes a discussion.

Umm. Unsure from which planet you come, but arguing does not make discussion. It make arguements. Discussion makes discussion. You Discuss what you do not like, you do not argue back and forth. That only creates friction and angers/ annoys others. The OP says "Open Discussion", not "Open Arguement".

I don't think you're replying to what I said. And I really don't care, to be honest. But, I was arguing about things, so I hope you weren't replying to me.

The only problem, is when I see Drago posting, he isn't supporting his arguements with facts or anything, really, to back it up. It's complaint after complaint with nothing sound to hold it against the destruction that soon comes to it. When you don't use facts or even REASONS, your post isn't worthy of response. If arguing is what you want, then, once again, prove your point. Make us see your side or you just plain PHAIL, with a PH for the ultimate of disgraces! Muwahaha!

BTW, mine was a rebuttal meant simply to throw the OP's post DOWN and stomp on it by saying "Your 'arguements' have no facts and so have no leverage the court of 'impovements and things you dislike'"!!!!

                                                                                      ?_?

Argumentations makes a discussion. If u want 2 speak about milk u have 2 speak about the differences between cows (if we want 2 take take cows 4 a comparative, but we should take many different animals...). About what cows eat. About how/where cows lives, in what conditions them lives. And go on. Here (again, like the thread says) we speak about the differences between ME1 and ME2. People speaks about what they like and dislike. But if u say: "U're wrong... blablabla ciaciacia", i think that u have to write some argumentations to maintain what u have write. In Drago's posts i've read comparatives between ME1 and ME2 (about systems, plot, dialogues, quests, graphic, ...). If u want i can use the quote button to quote all his posts. Maybe u have miss them. But np. Some peolpe have fun 2 write whitout argumentations. Some peolpe have fun 2 write with argumentations. Good day sir.
 

Ah, it seems that I looked at argumentation as you said it as nothing more than simple arguing: Bickering, fighting, and quarreling. Still, I have not seen many facts that really support the "Dumbing down" of Mass Effect 2, but I believe I'm pretty much done trying to tell people that the term "Dumbed down" doesn't apply. What is the point of argumentation if someone refutes your entire post by stating, "No, you're wrong, it's dumbed down because there is no inventory and less skills! I'm right, you're wrong."

This is idiocy and is, for the most part, what I see here. I'm done.

"Good day sir"

Also, I'm not trying to be a jerk but...

Some peolpe have fun 2 write whitout argumentations. Some peolpe have fun 2 write with argumentations.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you a natural English speaker? Just wondering. Are you saying that some people like to argue and some don't? Sure, yup, pretty much.

And, BTW, this so called "argumentation" IS going to lead to fighting and bickering. It seems there's no way for either party, of which I stand with neither, (ME 2: GOOD/BAD, things are never so simple) can last long without ARGUING., fighting, bickering and WHINING.

Modifié par Rendar666, 14 mars 2010 - 08:14 .

[M 3 i m 0 n]

Rendar666 wrote...

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

Rendar666 wrote...

M 3 i m 0 n wrote...

I don't remeber the name of the guy here that say: "You cry about "this", you cry... blablabla" ?_? LMAO! Plz man, no1 here is cryining. Read the title thread, then post. And people (like Drago) here, write with argumentations. We appriciate u're personal opinons, but we'd like 2 see argumentations 2. Argumentations makes a discussion.

Umm. Unsure from which planet you come, but arguing does not make discussion. It make arguements. Discussion makes discussion. You Discuss what you do not like, you do not argue back and forth. That only creates friction and angers/ annoys others. The OP says "Open Discussion", not "Open Arguement".

I don't think you're replying to what I said. And I really don't care, to be honest. But, I was arguing about things, so I hope you weren't replying to me.

The only problem, is when I see Drago posting, he isn't supporting his arguements with facts or anything, really, to back it up. It's complaint after complaint with nothing sound to hold it against the destruction that soon comes to it. When you don't use facts or even REASONS, your post isn't worthy of response. If arguing is what you want, then, once again, prove your point. Make us see your side or you just plain PHAIL, with a PH for the ultimate of disgraces! Muwahaha!

BTW, mine was a rebuttal meant simply to throw the OP's post DOWN and stomp on it by saying "Your 'arguements' have no facts and so have no leverage the court of 'impovements and things you dislike'"!!!!

                                                                                      ?_?

Argumentations makes a discussion. If u want 2 speak about milk u have 2 speak about the differences between cows (if we want 2 take take cows 4 a comparative, but we should take many different animals...). About what cows eat. About how/where cows lives, in what conditions them lives. And go on. Here (again, like the thread says) we speak about the differences between ME1 and ME2. People speaks about what they like and dislike. But if u say: "U're wrong... blablabla ciaciacia", i think that u have to write some argumentations to maintain what u have write. In Drago's posts i've read comparatives between ME1 and ME2 (about systems, plot, dialogues, quests, graphic, ...). If u want i can use the quote button to quote all his posts. Maybe u have miss them. But np. Some peolpe have fun 2 write whitout argumentations. Some peolpe have fun 2 write with argumentations. Good day sir.
 

Ah, it seems that I looked at argumentation as you said it as nothing more than simple arguing: Bickering, fighting, and quarreling. Still, I have not seen many facts that really support the "Dumbing down" of Mass Effect 2, but I believe I'm pretty much done trying to tell people that the term "Dumbed down" doesn't apply. What is the point of argumentation if someone refutes your entire post by stating, "No, you're wrong, it's dumbed down because there is no inventory and less skills! I'm right, you're wrong."

This is idiocy and is, for the most part, what I see here. I'm done.

"Good day sir"

Also, I'm not trying to be a jerk but...

Some peolpe have fun 2 write whitout argumentations. Some peolpe have fun 2 write with argumentations.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Are you a natural English speaker? Just wondering. Are you saying that some people like to argue and some don't? Sure, yup, pretty much.

And, BTW, this so called "argumentation" IS going to lead to fighting and bickering. It seems there's no way for either party, of which I stand with neither, (ME 2: GOOD/BAD, things are never so simple) can last long without ARGUING., fighting, bickering and WHINING.

Now i know that u haven't read the pages here. Drago have speak about nubers.In ME1 we have more side quests than in ME2. But this is an exemple. And i don't remember the nubers right now, but u can find them in these pages... lol start 2 read. I know that u haven't read the pages here because i have apologize 4 my language in my previous posts here, because (u all can see) i don't speak eng well.
But now we have those images 2 argue ours ideas.

http://i543.photobuc...teel/RPGoff.jpg

http://img697.images...sentation21.jpg

In the second slide we can see how some things like vehicles and elevetors have been cut. Mayve u want 2 speak about the a.i.? ?_? Enemyes and teammates seems dummyes (4 my standard, i don't know what games u play): they just take cover and shot. But they can shot when they want. They have so many clips...

Ok the thread is here.. and start 2 read from the first page, plz.

http://social.biowar...index/1707043/1

Modifié par M 3 i m 0 n, 15 mars 2010 - 07:08 .

[Dzikv]

I m indeed disappointed in ME2. I've written a post or 2 about it so i'll try not to go into the details here.



My main grudge is the whole "structure" of the story and the game itself. The story is disappointing as a whole in ME2 especially after Da:O. Only the combat and the graphics have really improved...



Anyway... If anyones interested i'll link my whole post about what i didn't like.

(Spoiler warning)

Link: http://social.biowar...5/index/1179258

[DarthFrylock007]

Wait, wait. I just had to respond to the whole bit sentiment about "Xbox twits getting their hands on ME and dumbing it down". I have to ask, does anyone who shares this feeling not remember that ME was originally conceived and designed for the Xbox???



If it had been a PC game first that was then ported, yeah I could listen to that argument. But considering ME wouldn't even exist without the Xbox, that just might be the most ridiculous complaint I've ever heard.

[Rendar666]

M 3 i m 0 n wrote..
Now i know that u haven't read the pages here. Drago have speak about nubers.In ME1 we have more side quests than in ME2. But this is an exemple. And i don't remember the nubers right now, but u can find them in these pages... lol start 2 read. I know that u haven't read the pages here because i have apologize 4 my language in my previous posts here, because (u all can see) i don't speak eng well.
But now we have those images 2 argue ours ideas.

http://i543.photobuc...teel/RPGoff.jpg

http://img697.images...sentation21.jpg

In the second slide we can see how some things like vehicles and elevetors have been cut. Mayve u want 2 speak about the a.i.? ?_? Enemyes and teammates seems dummyes (4 my standard, i don't know what games u play): they just take cover and shot. But they can shot when they want. They have so many clips...

Ok the thread is here.. and start 2 read from the first page, plz.

http://social.biowar...index/1707043/1

Look, man, I read the entire thread, believe it or not, about a day or so before I posted. I usually don't read names when going through posts so it is likely that I honestly didn't notice you until I read something that I decided to comment on. And I read that entire thing as well. Yup, but that DOES NOT reinforce your points in my eyes. Having combat not propped up by RPG statistics does not mean it is dumb. Honestly, I'm starting to get angry because people are calling me, and almost everyone I know, dumb because we play shooters on occasion? Please. Now it's my turn to roll my eyes at the absurdity.

Your argument is clear: Since the game no longer has combat supported by hidden dice rolls it is dumb. Okay, got it. Orange nodes over things you can break with guns and powers make the game dumb (even though those little orange nodes are there to help you aim at these convienently placed explosives). I get it. What I don't get is your argument. I've read all the pages of this thread but your arguments just don't hold up. Say what you will, but your arguments are terrible. I came up with better arguments in my essay stating why this kid named Max shouldn't be executed for murder... in the 7th grade.

I do not mean to be a jerk, though I probably come off as one, but your arguments aren't that good and the "Facts" you use to hold it up isn't that good either. If Mass Effect turned into "kiddie land" and had you solving basic 1+2 equations then I would agree. It doesn't so I won't. When it comes right down to it, this stuff is all your opinion. I respect your opinion but that doens't mean I have to agree with it. And, by the way, I really don't if you hadn't figured that out.

Stop acting as if I am an idiot and continually telling me I need to read the pages of the thread before I post. I know this and I did. You say this as if that would make me change my mind. Someone wrote me a five paged practical essay, I met this person on Youtube, about why "god" is real. Is was beautifully well written and had a lot of arguments with a couple facts that had some view points. But they can all be explained by science. However, this amazingly well written essay didn't change my mind a single bit. Just because I read all of your posts doesn't mean that I will automatically see your point of view. Sorry.


And to reply to your actual post... the A.I. was already terrible to begin with in ME 1. Now they just take cover more often and kill you more often. Numbers, which I guess is what you mean by nubers, doesn't mean anything in the realm of "dumb and dumber" (which is a hilarious movie by the way). Mass Effect 1 had a lot of quests, (I liked them more, sure) But they were all so totally mindless and boring even compared to ME 2 quests which all had a point and a place to go. Driving over copy/pasted terrain in a vehicle that even Chick Norris has nightmares about isn't my idea of intelligent gaming.

In my mind, you guys don't know the meaning of your own argument. First of all, whenever I read your posts I am strangely reminded of being called dumb because:

1. I am not a PC elitist and I don't buy all my PRGs for PC. Yes, this is an argument, believe it or not. I am stupid because I don't play RPGs on a PC. That's one of the most intelligant arguments I've ever seen.

2. I play shooters. Yes, I play SHOOTERS. I am dumb because I play shooters now.

3. I play Xbox 360. Yes, I've been told that no one respects a 360 owners because only 10 year olds with no attention spans and idiots who play shooters have Xboxs.




"An intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction" -- Hoshang N. Akhtar
 
(Ignoring the fact that this is a war quote, I believe.... )

Think on this for a bit, if you will .

I will say that I am too lazy to go back and edit my post. Please have patience with my quick writing.

Modifié par Rendar666, 17 mars 2010 - 09:53 .