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[FsDxRAGE]

*intensely throws popcorn in mouth*

[fortunesque]

ShepardWrex wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

With the original ME1 romances it is a different matter altogether. If they aren't done justice in ME3, many ME1 LI fans won't get it because the devs made promises about the characters.

In my case, it's much more of a matter of principle as it is with a large portion of ME1 LI fans.

The devs have also repeatedly stated that Mass Effect is a single player game and will always be a single player game multiple times in multiple threads. Then we see small cookie crumbs of dlc that they charge everyone a small amount of money for. 

It's all about money to them, and if a promise is broken, then I withold my money. But people like you can't seem to grasp this concept.  You feel like you have to demean people because they don't share the same opinion as you.

You are the one not grasping this concept. You're playing right into their hands.

Who's to say that they didn't whip the devs into making all those promises as part of their hype hype hype machine?

I cancelled my preorder around the time they announced the scars, ammo, and the ME1 LIs not being part of the game. I bought it after I watched spoilers and whatnot and it seemed like an alright game. After all, I could import and it looked somewhat interesting. I didn't expect to be blown away.

After playing it, I was disappointed in the dumbing-down of the skills, world, dialogue, etc.

So no, I wasn't "played" at all. I made a *used* game purchase based on being educated and I expected to not love the game.

Again, you're assuming a hell of a lot about me and the other folks on this forum.

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...
Romance and shooter mechanics are EXACTLY what ruined Mass Effect in order to cater to the younger generation and generate sales.

It's what people BUY the game for.

I bought the game for neither the shooter mechanics or the romance subplot.  I bought it because I love the story, I love the characters, and I love the universe.

What does that make me?

A TALImancer.

Point being?  The romance adds considerable depth to the characters and I appreciate its inclusion, but it's not why I bought the game.

Say that AFTER tali gets cameo status in ME3.

See, now you're just trying to be antagonistic. 

If Tali was cameo'd, I would be pissed but NOT for the reason that her romance is put aside.  I'd be pissed because it would hurt the STORY.  The quarian/geth conflict is a massive subplot that ME2 alluded to resolving in ME3, so for Tali to have a minor role in that would simply be poor writing, no matter how you look at it.

If you're going to make a point, stick to facts, don't antagonize, and present your opinion as OPINION, not solid evidence.

[SkullandBonesmember]

searanox wrote...

I'd like to say that I have something valuable to contribute to the discussion in this thread, but I think I realised a few posts back that there is absolutely nothing productive going on here, and that anything I post will be ignored by the people that it is directed towards.

Say whatever you want to say. Got nothing to lose either way.

[ShepardWrex]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...
EA not only bought reviews to hype up ME1 and ME2, but they also bought whoever reported that ME sex scandal story. Brilliant marketing on their part! Any random gamer falls for sex scenes, no matter how short they are.

You have sources to back these claims up?  Or is this opinion?

Actually I know it is your opinion, but your stating it as if it is a proven fact, when it is not.

Want to explain why ME2 got such endearing praise then?

That's the only reason I can think of.

I don't put hardly anything past hardly anybody.  I am just a stickler for when I see assumptions or possibilites stated as if they are facts.

So if EA's calling the shots and marketing the game they desparately want to make money off of, why WOULDN'T they cleverly advertise sex scenes in their games?

Why would any publisher NOT want to do that while they're showcasing their simplistic gameplay elements?

Your missing my point.  I am not arguing with you about EA's marketing strategy.  I  am only saying that if you state an assumption or a possibility as if it is fact, then you have to prove it, or you have no credibilty.  Otherwise state it correctly.

Really? How many "facts" are in this thread instead of opinions?

You people seem to think that if you state something enough times, it becomes true - even if it is outright false.

But hey, let's go back to repeating opinions on how we are all so disappointed in ME2.

Oops, already there.

EA fanboys to the max~

[ShepardWrex]

fortunesque wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

With the original ME1 romances it is a different matter altogether. If they aren't done justice in ME3, many ME1 LI fans won't get it because the devs made promises about the characters.

In my case, it's much more of a matter of principle as it is with a large portion of ME1 LI fans.

The devs have also repeatedly stated that Mass Effect is a single player game and will always be a single player game multiple times in multiple threads. Then we see small cookie crumbs of dlc that they charge everyone a small amount of money for. 

It's all about money to them, and if a promise is broken, then I withold my money. But people like you can't seem to grasp this concept.  You feel like you have to demean people because they don't share the same opinion as you.

You are the one not grasping this concept. You're playing right into their hands.

Who's to say that they didn't whip the devs into making all those promises as part of their hype hype hype machine?

I cancelled my preorder around the time they announced the scars, ammo, and the ME1 LIs not being part of the game. I bought it after I watched spoilers and whatnot and it seemed like an alright game. After all, I could import and it looked somewhat interesting. I didn't expect to be blown away.

After playing it, I was disappointed in the dumbing-down of the skills, world, dialogue, etc.

So no, I wasn't "played" at all. I made a *used* game purchase based on being educated and I expected to not love the game.

Again, you're assuming a hell of a lot about me and the other folks on this forum.

You're assuming a hell of a lot when you use the word dumb too, you know that?

[David Knight]

Really, ShepWrex? What does Jean-Luc being a TaliMancer have to do with anything?



You know, it's almost like there's forum-racism. I'm REALLY scared, now. What is the world omcing to?



:/

[FsDxRAGE]

*hands bucket over to David*

[ShepardWrex]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

See, now you're just trying to be antagonistic. 

If Tali was cameo'd, I would be pissed but NOT for the reason that her romance is put aside.  I'd be pissed because it would hurt the STORY.  The quarian/geth conflict is a massive subplot that ME2 alluded to resolving in ME3, so for Tali to have a minor role in that would simply be poor writing, no matter how you look at it.

If you're going to make a point, stick to facts, don't antagonize, and present your opinion as OPINION, not solid evidence.

The quarian/geth conflict can be resolved with a tali cameo. She doesn't carry around as much power as the admirals do.

That is fact. Not opinion.

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...
But hey, let's go back to repeating opinions on how we are all so disappointed in ME2.

Oops, already there.

EA fanboys to the max~

This is in regards to an earlier post you made about all the reviews being bought off as "hype."  Ignoring that it makes you come across as a conspiracy theorist, why is it so difficult to imagine that mature gamers over the age of 16 can actually enjoy the game?

Honestly, the vibe I'm getting from you is that "Only teenagers just hitting puberty would like Mass Effect 2."

[ShepardWrex]

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

[David Knight]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

*hands bucket over to David*

Thanks, Rage. (Eats popcorn) Awesome! Extra salt!

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Can we report someone for being irritating?

[ShepardWrex]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...
But hey, let's go back to repeating opinions on how we are all so disappointed in ME2.

Oops, already there.

EA fanboys to the max~

This is in regards to an earlier post you made about all the reviews being bought off as "hype."  Ignoring that it makes you come across as a conspiracy theorist, why is it so difficult to imagine that mature gamers over the age of 16 can actually enjoy the game?

Honestly, the vibe I'm getting from you is that "Only teenagers just hitting puberty would like Mass Effect 2."

I'm an equal opportunity offender. Teenagers just hitting puberty would like Mass Effect 1.

Otherwise there wouldn't have been so much controversy over the 10 second sex scenes.

[FsDxRAGE]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Can we report someone for being irritating?

I lold:lol:

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

Wait, so the inclusion of romances automatically points to immaturity?  Boy, that sucks for the hundreds of thousands of films/books/games that include it to add depth to the story doesn't it?

[FsDxRAGE]

Most people who I know that play ME are in college and above. Most younger kids don't play ME as far as I know

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...
But hey, let's go back to repeating opinions on how we are all so disappointed in ME2.

Oops, already there.

EA fanboys to the max~

This is in regards to an earlier post you made about all the reviews being bought off as "hype."  Ignoring that it makes you come across as a conspiracy theorist, why is it so difficult to imagine that mature gamers over the age of 16 can actually enjoy the game?

Honestly, the vibe I'm getting from you is that "Only teenagers just hitting puberty would like Mass Effect 2."

I'm an equal opportunity offender. Teenagers just hitting puberty would like Mass Effect 1.

Otherwise there wouldn't have been so much controversy over the 10 second sex scenes.

Well, I'm 19 years old, and I loved both ME1 and ME2. 

Guess I'm just an immature kid hitting puberty then!

(see what generalizations do?)

[David Knight]

Yeah. I mean, Titanic is now made for puberty-hit boys. That sucks, huh?



And there was controversy b/c Fox News was looking for a story. Period.

[JeanLuc761]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Most people who I know that play ME are in college and above. Most younger kids don't play ME as far as I know

I've never met anyone under the age of 18 who's played Mass Effect, and I work at Gamestop.

[ShepardWrex]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

Wait, so the inclusion of romances automatically points to immaturity?  Boy, that sucks for the hundreds of thousands of films/books/games that include it to add depth to the story doesn't it?

They also do it for the SAME EXACT REASON.

Moviemakers and writers will find ANY excuse to include romance just so fans can feel "closer" to their favorite character.

Money, money, money.

[FsDxRAGE]

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

Wait, so the inclusion of romances automatically points to immaturity?  Boy, that sucks for the hundreds of thousands of films/books/games that include it to add depth to the story doesn't it?

They also do it for the SAME EXACT REASON.

Moviemakers and writers will find ANY excuse to include romance just so fans can feel "closer" to their favorite character.

Money, money, money.

*laughs*

[jlb524]

ShepardWrex wrote...

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator

I don't think you can say all game romances are inherently targeting this 'lowest common denominator' crowd.  It depends on how they are written...some obviously do and some do not.   I'm not saying the ones in ME do or do not, but am speaking in general.

Baldur's Gate 2 had many great romances and, of course, great RPG mechanics.