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[fortunesque]

ShepardWrex wrote...

fortunesque wrote...


I cancelled my preorder around the time they announced the scars, ammo, and the ME1 LIs not being part of the game. I bought it after I watched spoilers and whatnot and it seemed like an alright game. After all, I could import and it looked somewhat interesting. I didn't expect to be blown away.

After playing it, I was disappointed in the dumbing-down of the skills, world, dialogue, etc.

So no, I wasn't "played" at all. I made a *used* game purchase based on being educated and I expected to not love the game.

Again, you're assuming a hell of a lot about me and the other folks on this forum.

You're assuming a hell of a lot when you use the word dumb too, you know that?

Fine. I should have said "watered" down.

I know your type though. You're the kind that sits at home when they have nothing better to do and you like to play the devil's advocate. You intentionally go out of your way to start an argument with a group of people because you think it's absolutely hilarious to see everyone get their little internet panties in a wad over what you're saying and especially how you're saying it.

So, have at it. I've been officially reminded as to why I don't post often in the forums.

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

Wait, so the inclusion of romances automatically points to immaturity?  Boy, that sucks for the hundreds of thousands of films/books/games that include it to add depth to the story doesn't it?

They also do it for the SAME EXACT REASON.

Moviemakers and writers will find ANY excuse to include romance just so fans can feel "closer" to their favorite character.

Money, money, money.

Okay, well then I have to ask this.

How can "making fans feel closer to their favorite character" EVER be a bad thing?  That's one of the most important things a writer can do.

[David Knight]

OhmyGod.



You know, romance can be included to add depth. Any artist of any form will tell you that. I'm a writer, and I know that romance is a part of real life and as such is a part of our escapes into gaming as well. It helps make the story seem more real.

[SkullandBonesmember]

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

[David Knight]

fortunesque wrote...




So, have at it. I've been officially reminded as to why I don't post often in the forums.

I'm having fun, lol.

[ShepardWrex]

jlb524 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator

I don't think you can say all game romances are inherently targeting this 'lowest common denominator' crowd.  It depends on how they are written...some obviously do and some do not.   I'm not saying the ones in ME do or do not, but am speaking in general.

Baldur's Gate 2 had many great romances and, of course, great RPG mechanics. 

What does it matter how they are written when EA has a chokehold on BW in the first place?

[applehug]

ShepardWrex wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

phonypapercut wrote...

@ShepardWrex

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? That people who buy Mass Effect are pathetic because of the romance? That BioWare is pathetic for putting romances in? Enlighten me.

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator
Removing RPG elements = targeting the lowest common denominator

EA = Successful!

Wait, so the inclusion of romances automatically points to immaturity?  Boy, that sucks for the hundreds of thousands of films/books/games that include it to add depth to the story doesn't it?

They also do it for the SAME EXACT REASON.

Moviemakers and writers will find ANY excuse to include romance just so fans can feel "closer" to their favorite character.

Money, money, money.

Yeah. That whole Han Liea romance in TESB really ruineed the movie. That's why it's the best Star Wars movie.

[FsDxRAGE]

*looks at Writing a Novel by Nigel Watts who has a PhD in Creative and Critical Writing*

He says adding love interest or past relationships add to creating round characters.

[David Knight]

ShepardWrex is pretty much a hate troll. Maybe I should go, as he isn't responding to my arguments anymore...

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator

I don't think you can say all game romances are inherently targeting this 'lowest common denominator' crowd.  It depends on how they are written...some obviously do and some do not.   I'm not saying the ones in ME do or do not, but am speaking in general.

Baldur's Gate 2 had many great romances and, of course, great RPG mechanics. 

What does it matter how they are written when EA has a chokehold on BW in the first place?

Uh...EA had no influence on Mass Effect 1 and I doubt they had any on ME2 (past the DLC mechanics).

Seriously, I don't see how you're getting that EA is ruining Mass Effect.  At all.

Modifié par JeanLuc761, 05 juin 2010 - 05:05 .

[jlb524]

ShepardWrex wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator

I don't think you can say all game romances are inherently targeting this 'lowest common denominator' crowd.  It depends on how they are written...some obviously do and some do not.   I'm not saying the ones in ME do or do not, but am speaking in general.

Baldur's Gate 2 had many great romances and, of course, great RPG mechanics. 

What does it matter how they are written when EA has a chokehold on BW in the first place?

Well, you said they were 'immature', which implies that you were making a judgment on the writing quality, and not on EA and/or BW's business practices.

[ShepardWrex]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

Your unrelenting lust for a character is causing you defend BW like crazy, even though they don't actually deserve that kind of defense.

Each character is a figment of a writer's imagination, and what happens to them is also a figment of that writer's imagination.

I'm very much disappointed in ME2 as well, but at least I know how much of a screwup ME1 was with its romances too.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Wow. I wonder how many more will this guy have himself against with? Will he get to 10 people? Maybe more?

Meanwhile...

[ShepardWrex]

jlb524 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

Romances = targeting the lowest common denominator

I don't think you can say all game romances are inherently targeting this 'lowest common denominator' crowd.  It depends on how they are written...some obviously do and some do not.   I'm not saying the ones in ME do or do not, but am speaking in general.

Baldur's Gate 2 had many great romances and, of course, great RPG mechanics. 

What does it matter how they are written when EA has a chokehold on BW in the first place?

Well, you said they were 'immature', which implies that you were making a judgment on the writing quality, and not on EA and/or BW's business practices.

1. EA tells BW to put more romances
2. BW puts more romances to gain more fans
3. EA wins

1. EA tells BW to remove RPG elements
2. BW removes RPG elements to gain more fans
3. EA wins

Solid business practices to me.

[JeanLuc761]

ShepardWrex wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

Your unrelenting lust for a character is causing you defend BW like crazy, even though they don't actually deserve that kind of defense.

*watches as any remaining credibility ShepardWrex had flies out the window*

Can't possibly be that people genuinely enjoyed the game can it?

[FsDxRAGE]

Somebody1003 wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

Your unrelenting lust for a character is causing you defend BW like crazy, even though they don't actually deserve that kind of defense.

*watches as any remaining credibility ShepardWrex had flies out the window*

Can't possibly be that people genuinely enjoyed the game can it?

U EA FAN BOI!!!1!!

NOM NOM NOM

[FsDxRAGE]

I will give him credit though.... he can type fast

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ShepardWrex wrote...
The romances sure don't seem to have plot holes.

The romances are full of plotholes, actually.

Liara is the biggest, since she doesn't comment about the romance in any way, shape, or form except for that meaningless semi-kiss upon entering her office. And that's not to mention that Shepard doesn't say a damned thing to her about it either. The kiss implies there is a relationship, but absolutely nothing is said about it the entire game. That's a gigantic plot hole.

Tali is also a gigantic plot hole. My dudeshep was a renegade, argued against bringing her onboard the Normandy, told her time and again he didn't trust her, didn't even consider giving her the geth data, and otherwise treated her like crap. You know how she reacted in ME1? Like a petulant child. Which was good. She wanted nothing to do with him in ME1 and couldn't wait to get away from him. you know how she acts in ME2? Like he's a godsend; I think she even calls him or compares him to her knight in shining armor. WTF IS THAT!? That's a giant plot hole in the form of a fan-service retcon.

Jack has another plothole, though it's kind of a meta-game plothole. Despite the fact that a male and female Shepard have, for all intents and purposes, identical interactions with Jack, a male is the only one who can break through to Jack and make her trust someone again? How does that work? Jack's just entranced by a dudeShep's wang or something? Plot-hole.

Garrus isn't so much of a plot-hole, but it is gross. Apparently talking about fist fights and having sex with other people is supposed to be a major turn-on for femSheps. I can call that simple bad writing.

It could be argued that Jacob's romance has a plot-hole. He argues constantly during the romance that he only wants to keep it light, and he never abcks down from that, but when you go to break up with him he throws a major fit.

Miranda's romance also has a plothole. She "cleaned out" the engineering deck so you could nail her? Um, the engineering deck was already cleaned out, since, you know, the crew was abducted. Jack, Grunt, and Zaeed aren't on that engineering deck; they're down the hall. Also, she says that she'll only settle for the best, doesn't she? The engineering deck with at least 4 windows into other parts of the ship is NOT the best anything unless the end of that sentence is "...place to have a bunch of people watch you have sex"

Thane? Another plot-hole, but not strictly to the romance. He says he's comfortable with his lifestyle and that there's nothing wrong with it, but he hates the idea of his son following in his footsteps? Either he's a liar or it's a plot hole!

[applehug]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

Your unrelenting lust for a character is causing you defend BW like crazy, even though they don't actually deserve that kind of defense.

*watches as any remaining credibility ShepardWrex had flies out the window*

Can't possibly be that people genuinely enjoyed the game can it?

Now that's just crazy talk.

[David Knight]

You know, I wonder if, maybe, MAYBE, ShepWrex might be wrong about most everything he's said?



I don't know, it might have something to do with the other five or six people arguing with me. Nah. He has to be right. I'm an idiot. Duh.



(takes a bite of popcorn and waits for ShepardWrex to take his bait)

[ShepardWrex]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

ShepardWrex wrote...

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

SW, there are plenty in this thread that were disappointed with ME2 and are critical of EA and some like myself even say Bioware sold out to an extent, but the only reason we stick around is because we want to see what happens to our favorite, well written characters up to and including LIs among other story related stuff yet you throw insults at us with nicknames like "EA apologists". Why is being invested in well developed and written characters, something Bioware is known for, such a bad thing?

Your unrelenting lust for a character is causing you defend BW like crazy, even though they don't actually deserve that kind of defense.

*watches as any remaining credibility ShepardWrex had flies out the window*

Can't possibly be that people genuinely enjoyed the game can it?

Then you have less reason to be posting on this thread than I do.