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[SkullandBonesmember]

Some Geth wrote...
They don't play the game dude .

Again, I have no choice.

[Spornicus]

It seems to me that people are no longer arguing points in this thread, but they're arguing about whether they have already argued points. ****'s gonna get real fast, I see a flame war brewing.

[tonnactus]

JohnnyDollar wrote...


In a nutshell:
In ME1, Shepard had the prothean cipher, in ME2, Shepard is the commander of a ship. TIM may just as well be the protagonist in ME2, instead of Shepard.

Yes,like smudboy stated it in another thread:Shepardt isnt relevant for the plot.
Bizarre but true.

Modifié par tonnactus, 05 juin 2010 - 11:22 .

[bjdbwea]

tonnactus wrote...



This is the e3 demo from 2009. Like 6-8 months before the release. Biotic powers work despise the fact enemies have shields.
Enemie radar exists.
And the red veigns of death didnt...

The player could see how much health and shields his squadmates have.
Who thinks that this has to be changed into the crap we have now 8 months before this game was shipped???

So much PR spin... and so little of their promises turned out to be true. 

(Or actually, "most "of what they said did turn out to be true, considering they spent most of the time talking about how "cool" the graphics and the shooting were.)

Modifié par bjdbwea, 05 juin 2010 - 11:24 .

[Spornicus]

ME1 has a better plot than ME2, which isn't saying a lot because ME1 had one of the best plots ever, but I think a lot of the gameplay in ME2 is more streamlined and effective than ME1.



Can we agree on that Shooters/RPGers?

[SkullandBonesmember]

Spornicus wrote...

ME1 has a better plot than ME2, which isn't saying a lot because ME1 had one of the best plots ever, but I think a lot of the gameplay in ME2 is more streamlined and effective than ME1.

Can we agree on that Shooters/RPGers?

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

I think pretty much every one agrees combat was better in ME2, the problem was amount, not style of it.

I...hesitantly agree excluding the HUB and encircling from enemies.

Even though plenty have made wonderful rebuttals, many members still refuse to see that there was an emphasis on combat compared to the first.

[bjdbwea]

Spornicus wrote...

ME1 has a better plot than ME2, which isn't saying a lot because ME1 had one of the best plots ever, but I think a lot of the gameplay in ME2 is more streamlined and effective than ME1.

Can we agree on that Shooters/RPGers?

Perhaps. I for one didn't find much things that were more effective. It may be more "streamlined", but in my opinion that doesn't make it a better game. Most of those changes make it worse. Remember, gameplay is more than the combat elements.

[SkullandBonesmember]

I'm going to quote my last post in another thread for emphasis and in case others don't read it.

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Well Smud, you summed up almost everything I've said on the boards since the game released, good job on the vid. There might have been a bit too much nitpicking concerning the last mission's who lives or dies moments and maybe the joker mission (though you mentioned that) but overall that's exactly how I felt about the games progression, meaning and execution. It was shallow and convoluted concerning the plot.

Hopefully vids like yours and the random posts myself and others have made will knock some sense into Bioware because they really do have the capability to pull off an amazing game, they just need to work through the main story arch and spend more time thinking about what the point of the game is. They lost themselves in gameplay mechanics this time I think and I'm hoping that they leave those pretty much alone and just concentrate on the flavor, atmosphere and meat of the game world as that's why I play RPG's.

QFFT. How I pray Bioware reads that and takes note and even the shooter fans.

Hopefully, yes, but I don't see it happening.

[Pocketgb]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

So I take it you know the answers to these questions?

Both games have the same amount of "safe" sidequests (Citadel quests vs. hubworld quests), both have been "hyped" for the action, both have disappointments in regards to their plot.

Those arent questions. They are random nitpicks dressed up as grand facts designed to shooter down opposing opinions that Ecael knows she cant actually refute.

I saw her listing out the lines she counted from Mass Effect 1 and 2 comparing them, and suggesting ME2 had more.

Does that mean anything? Nope, not a damn thing. Dialogue also got streamlined in ME2, and with 10 characters compared to six, its not surprising that they would talk more, but ultimately say less.

Ecaels "amazing questions that we cant refute and shoot down our views" are tripe, dressed in snark and image spam.

Im sure you think its very clever, but ecaels garbage, as I have already told you, cannot override my own experience playing the game.

I got more roleplaying and conversing done on Noveria than I did in about 5 loyalty missions, not counting the only two decent ones for roleplaying and non-combat, which is Thane and Samara.

Noveria is indeed an awesome moment in the game: rather large, plenty to do, lots of narrative, and overall rather gorgeous. Whenever I playthrough ME1 I leave it as the last stop of the hub worlds.

I agree fully that nothing in ME2 really compares to it, but I don't think anything in ME1 really compared to it, either. I'm under the impression that it was the first hub world - maybe sans the Citadel - that Bioware truly worked on. I'm led to believe this given the credit rewards you receive (static and flat amounts, rest of the game they're scaled).

The rest of the hub worlds were far from as eventful: Virmire, although pretty, put a huge emphasis on combat, Feros was more or less the same but with more Mako boom-boom, and rescuing Liara had next to no role-playing development at all.

I would've loved to see more Noveria-styled zones in ME2, but I also wanted to see them in ME1.

mashavasilec wrote...

 Ok, i just feel like whining...

I'd recommend some really big "SPOILER!" tags there, yo. ME2 ending was indeed a bit rough at points, but personally for me? Far from as crushing as finding the Conduit

Modifié par Pocketgb, 05 juin 2010 - 11:48 .

[Spornicus]

mashavasilec wrote...

 Ok, i just feel like whining. 

My bigget disappointment came with the ending movie. At first I thought - mmkay, destroyed the base, great. Then this chat with TIM - the meaning of this whole conversation eluded me, i was like "Hey, Shepard, what's this all about? what are you saying, i DON'T UNDERSTAND!". Well, fine, we're going to "lead the humanity" somewhere, shut up TIM and all that. Right. 

And the scene with datapad completely destroyed my brain. What's this datapad? How did we get it? What's that reaper there? Come on, this is my  character, how is it that  possible shepard now knows something I don't? I want to know, damn you shepard, that's just not fair? Arrgh:pinched:

Anyway, that pretty much sums up my thoughts after the endgame and  frustration about the main plot. End of the rant/

I have also pondered on the origins of that datapad, but then am blown away by the epicness of that last shot.

[spacehamsterZH]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
ridiculous wannabee Bioware devs apologist musings.

I'm not sure what bees have to do with any of this, but yeah, you sure got me pegged there, pardner. I'll tout absolutely everything Bioware does as the second coming of the Cyberchrist, that's why I've never criticized anything about either one of the Mass Effect games, as evidenced by my posts today. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're trolling from here on out if you don't mind, this is just too stupid for me to bother with anymore.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 05 juin 2010 - 11:55 .

[Some Geth]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...
ridiculous wannabee Bioware devs apologist musings.

I'm not sure what bees have to do with any of this, but yeah, you sure got me pegged there, pardner. I'll tout absolutely everything Bioware does as the second coming of the Cyberchrist, that's why I've never criticized anything about either one of the Mass Effect games, as evidenced by my posts today. I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're trolling from here on out if you don't mind, this is just too stupid for me to bother with anymore.

What a good soul you are .

[Lumikki]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Pocketgb wrote...

You yourself stated plainly that you pay little attention to Ecael's posts, and simply put you are missing out on quite a lot. Most if not all of what he (she?) has said has been from the viewpoint of a person who loves both games, and has contributed a lot to bring to light how ME1 and ME2 are still vastly similar.

All of which has absolutely failed to fully counter our own points of how ME1 and ME2 are massively different. But of course, you would ignore that, while telling us not to do the same.

It seem like people have some problems to understand why situation on this forum is what it is, so I explain it again.

Any player who likes or love something, will have more positive attitude to it.
Any player who hate or dislike something, will have more negative attitude to it.

Now lets look me and Ecael. I think Ecael loves both ME's equal much, I my self like them both equal much. So, we both have postive view point to both games. Now lest look someone who likes one and hate other. That means that person see's one more postive way and other more negative way.

Now lets look accused situation what I quated here.

Of cause I and Ecael see's both games more similar because we see both games as positive way. We see they differences, but we valued also both games from what's good on them and see also that both games has some bad point. How ever we have danger to dismiss negative sides from both games, because we look more positive sides. This means we don't necassary believe something to be so negative. BUT this is most important part to understand, we treat both games equal ways. Meaning we can be blind for something in both games, but it's blindness as fair ways to both games.

Now, then look someone who hate one and like others. This kind people sees the game what person loves more postive way and less about negative sides. Now other hand the game what person dislikes has more negative side than postive. So, this kind person see's huge differences between games because that is person perspective to look situation. This person see's the differences, but only so that negatives on hated game is bigger and positive sides become bigger in the loved one. Meaning this person see's all error in hated games and is blind to the loved one. So huge differences between games.

So, who's right?

Both are, it's just they personal view points to look situation. Mostly we argue here because we don't understand others attitude and view point. It's not about that we don't see what other is talking. It's just we don't accept it when it's agaist our own view points. Like someone says there is HUGE difference, while You self see that there is very LITTLE differences. This is both player personal perspective what is affecting the situation.

This means who see's the huge difference thinks, why can't the other see how big the difference is. Of course the other can't see it because in his/her eyes there is no big difference. Same for other way, why can't they see how similar they really are.

It's all comming from players own relation to games. Do You like one or two games. This affects our own perspective to look situation. That's why it's so funstrating to try to explain it to other. Because we need references, do You like both games or hate one and like other.

People them self believe they are objective and don't let emotions and feelings to affect they opinions. How ever, only true neutral can do that and they are really rare. So, if You like or dislike anything in these games, it will affect your opinions in some direction.

Modifié par Lumikki, 06 juin 2010 - 12:11 .

[kraidy1117]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

I'm going to quote my last post in another thread for emphasis and in case others don't read it.

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

Well Smud, you summed up almost everything I've said on the boards since the game released, good job on the vid. There might have been a bit too much nitpicking concerning the last mission's who lives or dies moments and maybe the joker mission (though you mentioned that) but overall that's exactly how I felt about the games progression, meaning and execution. It was shallow and convoluted concerning the plot.

Hopefully vids like yours and the random posts myself and others have made will knock some sense into Bioware because they really do have the capability to pull off an amazing game, they just need to work through the main story arch and spend more time thinking about what the point of the game is. They lost themselves in gameplay mechanics this time I think and I'm hoping that they leave those pretty much alone and just concentrate on the flavor, atmosphere and meat of the game world as that's why I play RPG's.

QFFT. How I pray Bioware reads that and takes note and even the shooter fans.

Hopefully, yes, but I don't see it happening.

It's a game, a game needs good gameplay, story comes second.

[Pocketgb]

kraidy1117 wrote...

It's a game, a game needs good gameplay, story comes second.

Otherwise you get Heavy Rain: In itself a great story, but with 'gameplay' so insignficent (and lame, really: screw QTE's) you'd save money just by watching it on Youtube.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 06 juin 2010 - 12:13 .

[Kalfear]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

Complaints about ME1 came from shooter players like KennyRogers and SithexarKun and Shepardwrex who didnt want a RPG what so ever to begin with. Complaints about ME2 have mostly come from RPG players.

Yes, most if not all complaints of ME2 came from RPG fans, but SW claims he's one of them. 

he/she/it claims alot but its pretty clear he/she/it wants GoW redone again and again and again and thats it so I take his/her/its claims of being a RPG fan as simple lipservice to be honest!

GoW wasnt a RPG and if someone thinks it was, well the problem lays soley with them and no one else.

Pocketgb wrote...

You yourself stated plainly that you pay little attention to Ecael's posts, and simply put you are missing out on quite a lot. Most if not all of what he (she?) has said has been from the viewpoint of a person who loves both games, and has contributed a lot to bring to light how ME1 and ME2 are still vastly similar.

I think Dinkamus_Littlelog answered you clearly on her "points" so I need not address them in any way other then to say Ecael's refused to openly debate issues with me in the past which is why I pay her no attention now.

You pointed to a specific post by her so I took astep back and said id give it a chance and what was it? A insulting attention whoring attempt to belittle others with what amounts to a picture poster that I quickly clicked off of rather then grant it any time or notice from me.

Im not here to give Ecael self serving attention for acting out like a child in public.

Not to be rude but it appears your impressed with that, Im not. IF she wants to write it up and present it as a adult in a level headed discussion, fine. But after reading Dinkamus replies, I doubt id come to any other conclussion then him based on previous exchanges with Excael.

So constantly bringing up her poster board attention plea doesnt really advance a postive or constructive exchange on ideas or concepts! 

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

All of which has absolutely failed to fully counter our own points of how ME1 and ME2 are massively different. But of course, you would ignore that, while telling us not to do the same.

None of Ecaels snarky little posts have even had a hope in hells chance of convincing me to consciously deny the fact that ME1 is a standard Bioware RPG model in terms of story, progression and gameworld, whereas ME2 is a long series of disconnected shooter missions, which even go so far as to end on a truly immersion breaking "mission complete screen".

You clearly have a high opinion of Ecael, but her drivel isnt going to force me to deny what I know is true from playing the damn game myself.

Modifié par Kalfear, 06 juin 2010 - 12:26 .

[spacehamsterZH]

Oh good grief, Heavy Rain. What a crock of sh*t that was. I couldn't even finish the demo, it was so boring and annoying. Pocketgb's spot-on as far as I'm concerned. Last I checked, the whole point of videogames is that you get to frickin' do stuff.

[Pocketgb]

If you saw all of his posts in whole, he was saying that GoW was a much much better game than the ME series could hope to achieve, and listed the Final Fantasy series as the king of RPGs.



In other words: Trolololololololololol!

[SkullandBonesmember]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Oh good grief, Heavy Rain. What a crock of sh*t that was. I couldn't even finish the demo, it was so boring and annoying. Pocketgb's spot-on as far as I'm concerned. Last I checked, the whole point of videogames is that you get to frickin' do stuff.

OOOOH NOES! WORST GAME I EVER PLAYED! NO 'SPLOSHUNS!

Pretentious arrogance. Like I've said. There are genres for all tastes. There are drama films, comedy, suspense, action, among others. Could you imagine if Hollywood started producing 99% comedy films? What about the fans of all other genres that turn profits? Do we not deserve a piece of the pie?

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 06 juin 2010 - 12:22 .