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[Pocketgb]

Kalfear wrote...

WOW, so you think calling someone who posts over and over and over he thinks ME2 shoudl have been 100 shooter and refuses to read anything that disproves him a pro shooter troll the same as racial bias?

No.

I brought in that example in the hopes that it would help you understand why something doesn't have to be directed at me for me to become concerned.

Kalfear wrote...

Says you. Thats your opinion and maybe in this new ultra sensative touchy feely world thats true but im older and come from a time where we said

If its quakes likea  duck
walks likea duck
flys like a duck
ITS A DUCK!

Labels be damned!

And if he doesn't think he's a duck, what happens?
A ping-pong battle that encourages the troll to talk and talk and talk.
It might be personal and it might seem really tempting to try to "call them out", but the best way to defeat a troll is to just ignore them.

And remember what I said about labels? You say you're older, but how do you know I'm not 65?

[Some Geth]

Man I think ME1 fanboy/girls need a bit more fun in life from all the posts i see.

[Kalfear]

Darth Drago wrote...


On the marketing of both games:

ME1 Trailers.
You will clearly see RPG mentioned in the first one in in a few seconds. The second one doesn’t have RPG mentioned but it looks more like how the game is played, cinematic.


　
ME2 Trailers.
Funny they have no mention of RPG in them, but is it needed if it’s the sequel to one? They do show a lot of combat in the first one. Love the second one how it emphasizes Collectors a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBRo7JWy744
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14235013/mass-effect-2/videos/me2_trl_launchtrailer_12010.html

LOL, damn it Darth, you just know Alan and company going to act like RPG doesnt appear there and continue on saying its not a RPG.

Hell first reply after you says exactly that again.

To funny!

As for ME2, in many many many interveiws they stated ME2 was a RPG/shooter hybred so they did advertise it as such, even if missing on this particular ad.

Still thanks for ads, I certainly wasnt looking them up for the trolls (opps Pog going to get mad at me for labeling them  again)

[KitsuneRommel]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I love how you ME2 haters just decide everyone who doesn't agree with you is a shooter fan because you're the only true RPG fans on the planet, so therefore no self-respecting RPG fan could possibly like ME2.

I know plenty RPG fans who didn't like either Mass Effect because they don't believe FPS/TPS (shooter) mechanics belong in RPGs. They'd say we are all wrong.

Edit: And they are right. Both of them are really shallow RPGs.

Modifié par KitsuneRommel, 06 juin 2010 - 11:06 .

[Kalfear]

Pocketgb wrote...
And if he doesn't think he's a duck, what happens?
A ping-pong battle that encourages the troll to talk and talk and talk.
It might be personal and it might seem really tempting to try to "call them out", but the best way to defeat a troll is to just ignore them.

And remember what I said about labels? You say you're older, but how do you know I'm not 65?

1) We send him for mental aide not found on internet web forums
2) Maybe you think it encourages talk, by normally ignoreing him (which you also take offence to) Im taking the higher ground and not normally engaging him rather then lowering myself to his level

3) As for you being 65, doubt it. Im a pretty young old guy. I collect comics, play board and RPG games, talk to Video game guys and live in a huge city where I met ALOT of people and Ive yet to meet a shooter fan older then 30.

Hell, most shooter fans over 25 dont want to associate with the internet shooter fans anyways from what I seen. They have their circles and dont ever want to lower themselves to the internet crowd (generalization, dont get panties in a knot)

Oh im sure they out there but they rare so im betting odds are you not 65.

Simple deduction Watson

[Some Geth]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I love how you ME2 haters just decide everyone who doesn't agree with you is a shooter fan because you're the only true RPG fans on the planet, so therefore no self-respecting RPG fan could possibly like ME2.

I know plenty RPG fans who didn't like either Mass Effect because they don't believe FPS/TPS (shooter) mechanics belong in RPGs. They'd say we are all wrong.

Tell them I hate them :innocent:.

[cachx]

Darth Drago wrote...


On the marketing of both games:

ME1 Trailers.
You will clearly see RPG mentioned in the first one in in a few seconds. The second one doesn’t have RPG mentioned but it looks more like how the game is played, cinematic.


　
ME2 Trailers.
Funny they have no mention of RPG in them, but is it needed if it’s the sequel to one? They do show a lot of combat in the first one. Love the second one how it emphasizes Collectors a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBRo7JWy744
http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14235013/mass-effect-2/videos/me2_trl_launchtrailer_12010.html

From an older post in this very thread:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/soldier-class-mass-effect/60790
"an
incredible, new Shooter RPG", C. Norman.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-sci-mass-effect/60872
"Is
as much a shooter as is an RPG", said by the Dr. himself...

[Kalfear]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I love how you ME2 haters just decide everyone who doesn't agree with you is a shooter fan because you're the only true RPG fans on the planet, so therefore no self-respecting RPG fan could possibly like ME2.

I know plenty RPG fans who didn't like either Mass Effect because they don't believe FPS/TPS (shooter) mechanics belong in RPGs. They'd say we are all wrong.

Yup, I had a whole group opf freinds that point blank wouldnt even try Mass Effect!

RPGers didnt want the shooter hybred and the shooter fans didnt want the RPG hybred.

Honestly, even though ME1 and 2 sold well, I still think MOST of the players out ther from either side think that way. You never going to draw a majority of RPGers or Shooter fans to a hybred game IMO.

[Pocketgb]

Kalfear wrote...

3) As for you being 65, doubt it...

I'm not, and that's the point. When you said "but I'm older" you were implying that you were more "experienced" than me, i.e. that I was "inexperienced". That's not respectful.

What's also disrespectful is labeling me a "shooter fan" - which is true, Doom was definitely a parent, but so was Daggerfall. But in this context of the thread, and what's happened in it, it implies I like simple tastes.

[shep82]

scyphozoa wrote...

i like to enjoy the mass effect franchise for what it is, the single most story and character driven scifi third person shooter to ever exist. <333

^this
ME 2 has some minor flaws but all in all a great game. I understand those that disagree and respect that. I just wish everyone could do the same respect that others have differeing opinions.

[Dudeman315]



This would be why we "think" the first ME was an rpg.

Modifié par Dudeman315, 06 juin 2010 - 11:52 .

[SuperMedbh]

Pocketgb wrote...

Kalfear wrote...
3) As for you being 65, doubt it...

I'm not, and that's the point. When you said "but I'm older" you were implying that you were more "experienced" than me, i.e. that I was "inexperienced". That's not respectful.

I'm thirty.  There, I said it.  I've had a month to get used to the idea.

I also probably come from a completely different background than you guys.  I'm a geek and love SF/F.  Played paper RPGs in college  But I never got into "serious games" (lol at the very phrase!) until Dragon Age.  I did 3D modeling, and had worked a bit with game engines.  But I always thought of cRPGs as so much World of Warcraft.  My husband plays that and it just seemed...eh.  He also played Quake, which struck me as even more mindless.

So trust me when I say Bioware converted me thanks to the strength of the narrative in their games (and a hottie Templar...j/k)  And, ZMOG, I like the story in ME2 a bit better than ME1 which seemed a bit mainstream Star Trekish.  Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just not usually my cup of Yorkie Gold.  The fact that I liked it anyway says a lot about Bioware's writing team.  ME2 spent more time on character development and examination of philosophy, which is the sort of story I prefer.  And, it's got this really fun shooter aspect--  a shooter with characters you care about. 

Call me a stupid fangirl if you like.   But don't call me late to the next DLC release:wizard:

[Iakus]

uberdowzen wrote...

I've stopped posting here, but I think it needs to be said that anyone posting here hoping that Bioware is going to read through this thread and that that will lead to changes in ME2 is, to be blunt, wrong. No one at Bioware (or actually come to think of it anyone) has the peseverence to read 195 pages of people contradicting each other...

This is why I wish there was a customer satisfaction survey I could fill out.  Still, this is all we have...

[Iakus]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

I love how you ME2 haters just decide everyone who doesn't agree with you is a shooter fan because you're the only true RPG fans on the planet, so therefore no self-respecting RPG fan could possibly like ME2. Oh welll. This thread was actually civil and interesting about ten pages ago, earlier today, when we were discussing the story structure differences between the two games, but it might as well go back down the sh*tter now, it's past my bedtime anyway. Have fun basking in your false sense of superiority for the rest of the night.

Sorry, I was off playing Alpha Protocol

And when people (on both sides) get, umm, "animated" in their arguements, i just remember the old saying:

"Don't argue with idiots.  They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

And for the record, I suppose I am an ME2 "hater", but for story reasons more than gameplay,  I have nothing against consoles, or for them either for that matter.  Combat, leveling, and equipment could have used some tweaking (I think they overpruned from ME 1) but that by itself wouldn't have upset me enough to post here.

I swear one of these days I'm gonna sit down and write out a multipage essay about exactly what I think is wrong with ME 2 and post it.  No one wants that, least of all me

[Lumikki]

Both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are very similar games and are both categorized to same genre, Action RPG. They both have some differences, but not so big ones from main features. This is because both games most important features are cinemetic storytelling by using voices dialogs and 3rd person shooter for combat.

iakus wrote...

This is why I wish there was a customer satisfaction survey I could fill out.  Still, this is all we have...

I'm not sure if you really would want it, because on this thread we present under 0,01% of player base. So, if all Mass Effect players would actually fill customer satisfaction, this threads meaning would be ZERO.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 juin 2010 - 12:32 .

[Bigdoser]

This thread is still going? why can't some people just forget about labels and enjoy both games for what they are?

[bjdbwea]

Bigdoser wrote...

This thread is still going? why can't some people just forget about labels and enjoy both games for what they are?

I don't really care about labels. The reason I can't enjoy ME 2 all that much is because while playing I constantly have to think "wait, this worked better in ME 1" and "oh, I don't really like this change" and "I wonder if it was really necessary to cut this corner". That's why.

[Pocketgb]

Bigdoser wrote...

This thread is still going? why can't some people just forget about labels and enjoy both games for what they are?

It'd be the same reason if Weezer's new CD had them going all black metal. Granted they could make some sick-ass black metal, but it's definitely not what people would be expecting.

People have preferences when it comes to the vidja gamez.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 07 juin 2010 - 12:54 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

iakus wrote...

I swear one of these days I'm gonna sit down and write out a multipage essay about exactly what I think is wrong with ME 2 and post it.  No one wants that, least of all me

Go for it. I'd enjoy the read.

Lumikki wrote...

I'm not sure if you really would want it, because on this thread we present under 0,01% of player base. So, if all Mass Effect players would actually fill customer satisfaction, this threads meaning would be ZERO.

Let's rephrase it. It would be wonderful if we could get all the RPG fans who played ME2 to fill out a survey on what they liked and didn't like about this "wonderful" sequel.

Bigdoser wrote...

This thread is still going? why can't some people just forget about labels and enjoy both games for what they are?

I enjoy ME2 "for what it is" but that's not saying much considering it's supposed to be the sequel to one of the best video games of all time.

[SkullandBonesmember]

bjdbwea wrote...

I don't really care about labels. The reason I can't enjoy ME 2 all that much is because while playing I constantly have to think "wait, this worked better in ME 1" and "oh, I don't really like this change" and "I wonder if it was really necessary to cut this corner". That's why.

QFT.

[Pocketgb]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

Let's rephrase it. It would be wonderful if we could get all the RPG fans who played ME2 to fill out a survey on what they liked and didn't like about this "wonderful" sequel.

Ouch. There are plenty of RPG fans who enjoyed ME2, so have fun filtering that!

[Kalfear]

iakus wrote...

I swear one of these days I'm gonna sit down and write out a multipage essay about exactly what I think is wrong with ME 2 and post it.  No one wants that, least of all me

heh, I made my plea in a diff thread months ago (see signature for thread)

Turned out to be a good thread really, none of the trolls and flamers there, just people (some from here like Skull and Bones) throwing ideas around on what they liked and didnt in ME2.

I just wish Bioware would comment on it saying message received.

Kinda sad, make a thread here praising Bioware and dont even mention Mass Effect and you get two mods adding to it but make the productive thread on what can be better and mums the word

Anyways, I hear you on trying to get point accross. All I hope is someone that matters read my thread for the ideas in it. 

[SkullandBonesmember]

Pocketgb wrote...

Ouch. There are plenty of RPG fans who enjoyed ME2, so have fun filtering that!

Aaaand here I go repeating myself again. 

RPG fans fall into a couple of categories-
1)Those that think combat is just as, if not MORE important than plot and characters.
2)Those who think stats and loot are the most important aspects to an RPG.
3)Those that think a engrossing story and interesting characters and interaction should be the priority above all.

[Pocketgb]

That still doesn't mean that a long-time RPG fan won't enjoy ME2, though. I'm not attempting to define what an RPG fan is or if ME2 is more RPG than ME1, rather that *not all RPG fans are against ME2*.