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[lastpatriot]

I loved ME2 and still believe it's one of the most fun games I've ever played.  I just wish there was more story-driven content available after you assemble your team.  A long heated battle against the collectors would have been nice.  Of course, that's probably to come in ME3.

[Rejoy Skinler]

Whilst ME2 was technically sound I felt the main plot was derivative and simply built around avoiding the decisions which were made in the first act.
I do understand the limitation behind building such a 'choose your own destiny' game but that came back to kick them in the nuts for the second opus.
I also understand issues with DVD restrictions and maybe it would have worked out better had you been able to recruit all the characters from the start but what happened with Cerberus or the Council felt disconnected with the ME1 paragon character I imported on my first and only play through.
The game almost made up for it as it has great characters like Mordin, better game play overall and is it much slicker experience but we didn't need a reboot in a series of three games (see Matrix reloaded).
I miss the mako and the elevators (for immersion), they only needed to be fixed/improved, not removed. I'm fine with the new inventory system as long as I can check weapons stats...

They can fix it tho as all they really need is to pull back all the threads from ME1 and ME2 and make them work together and finish on a bang.

Modifié par Rejoy Skinler, 18 avril 2010 - 03:51 .

[Gatt9]

I'll throw in my 2 cents...

1.  The game's not an RPG,  it's a shooter.  When all that matters is my personal skill in all facets,  and my character's skill is basically a non-factor,  I'm not playing an RPG.  This is made exponentially worse by virtue of the fact that morality is no longer a path of culminating choices,  but a quick snap of the trigger.  RPG's aren't decided by how fast you pull the trigger during conversations.

2.  The game has no consequence.  As I've said,  I looted one apartment,  looted another in front of it's owners,  then entered a third and lectured people on the evils of looting.  That's what I would expect in an RPG from the 1980's.

3.  The game is non-sensical.  I'm told that they couldn't find 8 bodies in the wreckage,  I go to search it,  and find that 8 highly trained military personell on the fleet's flagship suddenly decided that the best thing to do in a critical battle is to hide in a box?  No wonder the ship went down.  Then the recovery personell are apparently unable to open said boxes and look inside,  though I agree with them,  I wouldn't look in a box for the fleet's best personell either...

4.  RPG's don't have level screens,  Shooters have level screens.  There are precedents in PnP campaigns,  but in video games,  it just drives home that you're not playing an RPG.

5.  Dialogue doesn't make a game an RPG,  Wing Commander 3 had dialogue,  complete with choices that had game effects,  in 1995.  That didn't make it an RPG,  because of point #1,  Character Skill dependent is the prerequisite for all RPGs.  ME2 has none.

6.  Why bother having money when there's nothing to buy because the entire inventory system was scrapped?  RPGs have inventory for a reason,  character development and Role development.  Once again,  another factor that just drives home that ME2 is a shooter.

7.  Mako was a good idea,  planet scanning was not.  Mako allowed all kinds of exploration opportunities,  planet scanning is like a force-feedback-whack-a-mole.

An RPG is primarily defined by Character based skill,  Shooters are defined as Player based skill,  they do not mix,  having one means the other is not possible.  Not having Character based skill means you're no longer playing a Role you're playing an Avatar, which is what any shooter does.  There is not,  can never be,  a Hybrid for that very reason.  The two are mutually exclusive,  and define two different genres.  Every hybrid comes down to one thing...

They're all crippled shooters that use "Levels" to slowly progress the game up to full-on shooters,  versus a real RPG where there's no "I can never fail" point in skill progression as it's always a check of your character's skill versus your character's opponent's skill (At least when it's done right).

Hybrids are a industry buzzword,  and they're doing a good job of making RPG one too,  there used to be a time when the word RPG meant Role-playing game,  instead of Shooter with inconsequential level screens.

[Darth Drago]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...

Where does it state that they are better or more varied? Please show me where I said anything close to that. I point out that there are a lot more side quests in a smaller galaxy that ME1 had compared to the larger one we got in ME2. That’s it. Yet some how it bites me in the rear even after I clearly state in the first lines: “…Regardless if you hated the ones from ME1 for reusing the same layout or not, …”

Thats the impression i was getting from you, that because ME1 has more UNC side quests, that it MUST mean its better. Whether we hate it or not is irrelevant to the fact that you think that the ME1 sidequests are superior just because they had more quests, if not, why are wasting time bringing up such an irrelevant point?

Quality > Quantity.

But seriously, its been 2 months since i have seen you nerd raging over the flaws and changes that they implemented in ME2 non-stop, take a rest and move on dude, constant nit picking isn't going to change the way ME2 is and it may do little to nothing for ME3. All you can really do is hope they would make the game better.

I hated FFXIII beyond belief, but not even i cry and rage over the internet for so long.

Several of those UNC missions also gave you multiple outcomes. This gives them something BioWare forgot about in almost all of the N7 missions, a little thing called replay value. In thier own way a lot of them i would consider better when it comes to a few things about them. Combat wise and overusing the layouts on baren worlds, not so much at all.

-UNC: Hostile Takeover -What do you do with Helena Blake? Kill her, let her take over the business or convince her to disband the gang?
-UNC Geth Incursions - Do you give Tali the info?
-UNC: ExoGeni Facility - What do you do with the scientists? Take the money, or try and arrest them (cant remember if you can just outright kill them also) ?
-UNC: Major Kyle - Several choices here. Do you force your way into the main complex or talk peacefully to let you see Kyle? Then you get to choose what to do with Kyle, kill him or convince him to surrender?
-UNC: Dead Scientists - How do you deal with Corporal Toombs? Kill him, let him kill the scientist or you kill the scientist yourself?
-UNC: Hades' Dogs - Even gives you a choice about what to do with the info you got about Cerberus.
-UNC: Hostage - Do you rescue Chairman Burns by talking the terrorists to surrender or end up getting them all killed?
-UNC: Besieged Base - The paragon one. Gives you the option to try and rescue the hostages or just outright gun them down.
-UNC: The Negotiation - The renegade one. Negotiate or just kill them?


Name one N7 mission that gives you any choice other than what location gets hit by the missile? Anyone who you can convince to just walk away? Any other choice or outcome at all besides killing everything that moves?


Lets look at some of these N7 high quality missions…

-N7: Endangered Research Station -Turn on the shield and oh that’s it? Yep a very high quality mission. “I’m Commander Shepard and I’m the only one in the freaking galaxy qualified to press a switch?”
-N7: Mining the Canyon -Power up the YMIR mech with conveniently placed power cells for every 20 feet it walked. Oh yea so much fun here. But I suppose this is high quality?
-N7: MSV Estevanico -Walk around a rusted out wreck to get picked up by the shuttle at the target location. Yet another snooze fest mission which includes brand new containers placed on a rusted out shell. More of this quality right?
-N7: Quarian Crash Site - Protect the Quarian for a few seconds on a very short level. Hey lets land in one spot walk no more than 100 fee to find our Quarian, protect him/her for a few minutes and have the shuttle pick us up here. This one kills me every time. EDI can pinpoint a faint life sign of the Quarian surrounded by a lot of wildlife, yet cant pick up the large cluster of humans in Jacobs loyalty mission? Hey at least we get to shoot stuff right?
-N7: Eclipse Smuggling Depot -Aria’s reward quest. Kill the 3 Mechs before they destroy the crates. So much fun with so little point. More quality again here right?
-N7: Javelin Missiles Launched - Is part 4 of a series but I add it here because it was still extremely short (only a few rooms) and giving your two final choices concerning the missile, there should have been paragon/renegade points earned. Let me retype this part, “there should have been paragon/renegade points earned“, yet none is awarded. We are at a missile site with absolutely no defense systems to protect it from any hostile threats at all? A bunch of girl scouts armed with cookies could have taken this place out. Did we find any quality yet?

Its very interesting that all of those above feature none or very little combat are also very short missions and also on very small levels. They are also the only N7 side quests that have limited or no combat in them. Anyone still doubting that ME2 isn’t aimed at the shooter crowd?

I’ll add this one since its also questionable to me on a few levels.
-N7: Anomalous Weather Detected - This one I liked at first just for the foggy environment but then things fell apart fast when I started to get the orange target outlines for the Geth hidden in the fog. So much for a solid on your nerves not knowing where the enemy can be quest. Oh and why do Geth need flares? Seriously, don’t they have better eyesight or different vision that wouldn’t require them to drop flares to see in areas?

But oh look at the pretty graphics! Take your quality and shove it out of an airlock please.

Since there are 18 new posts that have nothing to do with my last main one or a reply to it or even your replies I think its safe to assume others are still finding out that Mass Effect 2 in par is not living up to its expectations.

Oh and I haven’t even begun to “nerd rage” or “nit pick” as you and a few others enjoy to call it about what is wrong with Mass Effect 2. As long as others also post here with their views or opinions then this thread will live on.



-Thanks for the support everyone. Keep the posts coming.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 19 avril 2010 - 07:22 .

[Katya Nadanova]

-Xapan- wrote...

It's not necessarily disappointing, just a few things were left out, and it could have been better. That's it.

Correct.  Although, because those things were left out/could have been better, it does feel slightly disappointing.

[MrNose]

I have many things to say, because when you're passionate about something, the imperfections bother you all the more!

First Off: The Ending.
After it all was said and done, we basically ended up at the status quo of ME1.  Nothing had changed except the crew I had. 
I was reading a top five list of the worst video game endings, and someone said ME2.  I disagree, but it definitely wasn't an ending that was breathtaking.  What makes it worse is that we could have easily made the ending great by simply adding a debriefing. 

Debriefings, they're important for a reason.  They give closure.  They use them in everything from the military to summer camps.  The lack of an "epic ending" could be explained  because this was ME2's middle chapter, and in a three-act story, generally the middle chapter heads into the third part of the trilogy a bit.  In that vein I can get why the ending didn't have a paradigmatic conclusion, and that makes sense, but it needed closure.  We needed a debriefing.

The ending needed character interaction, not just some salutes, a one time comment from each character on what we did, and a chat with the Illusive Man.  I understad that all the possible ending scenarios could make that difficult, but I feel like we could have had at least a few of the possible scenarios ironed out, and just used a short ending for the rest.  The fact that the romance options went back to their pre-romance loops after saying something or nothing about the romance shows just how shallow the ending was.  In ME1 the ending debriefing was great.  It felt like it mattered.  This didn't.
   

Modifié par MrNose, 19 avril 2010 - 01:56 .

[Credits]

I enjoyed ME2. My personal GoTY. The only problem I had was the "Gears of Warsy" combat.



Other than that, I loved it! Bioware did an awesome job!

[SithLordExarKun]

Darth Drago wrote...

Oh and I haven’t even begun to “nerd rage” or “nit pick” as you and a few others enjoy to call it about what is wrong with Mass Effect 2. As long as others also post here with their views or opinions then this thread will live on.

Oh please i cannot even be bothered to read that useless wall of text, what you blatantly forget is that every one of those UNC missions has the same exact layout and you refuse to accept the fact that N7 missions, while short and little to no dialogue are  more varied in location.

How am i suppose to forget that theres essentially no replay value for the majority of UNC missions which is essentially drive around, get into the same exact pirate base, kill everything in the same location and then the mission conclude? A few dialogue choices in those ME1 missions do not make them superior to ME2 N7 missions, they just make them better integrated.

And yes, keep denying that you have yet to nerd rage, which is essentially you whining like a baby on the internet constantly for two months along with the fact that you leep bumping your own thread because you cannot accept the fact that ME2 turned out the way and want to gather people who dislike it to constantly critisize it.

Look at your last thread which was locked : Thanks for messing up this franchise. with having more than half the forum posters rediculing you. Seriously i have never seen anybody so pathetic to constantly bash a game for months after its release recreating the thread after its locked and then constantly bumping it to seek attention. Not even other forum members who go to as far as to even hate the game bash it on a constant daily basis.

ME2 is the way it is, time to deal with it because moaning for months will not change anything.


EDIT. And DO read your last post, you claim you have yet to nitpick but yet you are doing so, just look at how ridiculous and pathetic some of your "criticisms" are which are not actual flaws with ME2(that "lesser" the RPG aspect) but more like "flaws in the lore".

Such as these : 

Oh and why do Geth need flares? Seriously, don’t they have better
eyesight or different vision that wouldn’t require them to drop flares
to see in areas?

EDI can pinpoint a faint life sign of the Quarian surrounded by a lot of
wildlife, yet cant pick up the large cluster of humans in Jacobs
loyalty mission? Hey at least we get to shoot stuff right?

^ I absolutely fail to see how these don't count as nitpicking and valid criticisms that make ME2 a lesser game.

Say what? Pathetic hypocrite.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 20 avril 2010 - 12:04 .

[xCirdanx]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
ME2 is the way it is, time to deal with it because moaning for months will not change anything.

And he has his opinion, time to deal with that one? Because everything you do is calling him pathetic and a crying baby, while at the same time you do the same about him. Very clever. How about some real arguments against his ones..no?

[Dudeman315]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

 Oh please i cannot even be bothered to read that useless wall of text, what you blatantly forget is that every one of those UNC missions has the same exact layout and you refuse to accept the fact that N7 missions, while short and little to no dialogue are  more varied in location.

How am i suppose to forget that theres essentially no replay value for the majority of UNC missions which is essentially drive around, get into the same exact pirate base, kill everything in the same location and then the mission conclude? A few dialogue choices in those ME1 missions do not make them superior to ME2 N7 missions, they just make them better integrated.

And yes, keep denying that you have yet to nerd rage, which is essentially you whining like a baby on the internet constantly for two months along with the fact that you leep bumping your own thread because you cannot accept the fact that ME2 turned out the way and want to gather people who dislike it to constantly critisize it.

Look at your last thread which was locked : Thanks for messing up this franchise. with having more than half the forum posters rediculing you. Seriously i have never seen anybody so pathetic to constantly bash a game for months after its release recreating the thread after its locked and then constantly bumping it to seek attention. Not even other forum members who go to as far as to even hate the game bash it on a constant daily basis.

ME2 is the way it is, time to deal with it because moaning for months will not change anything.


EDIT. And DO read your last post, you claim you have yet to nitpick but yet you are doing so, just look at how ridiculous and pathetic some of your "criticisms" are which are not actual flaws with ME2(that "lesser" the RPG aspect) but more like "flaws in the lore".

Such as these : 

Oh and why do Geth need flares? Seriously, don’t they have better
eyesight or different vision that wouldn’t require them to drop flares
to see in areas?

EDI can pinpoint a faint life sign of the Quarian surrounded by a lot of
wildlife, yet cant pick up the large cluster of humans in Jacobs
loyalty mission? Hey at least we get to shoot stuff right?

^ I absolutely fail to see how these don't count as nitpicking and valid criticisms that make ME2 a lesser game.

Say what? Pathetic hypocrite.

You don't help your point by making it sound like you are too lazy or uneducated to read.
So a viewfinder(the organge things with picture disks) is better than Tetris because the viewfinder has more locations?
Failure in lore is failure as an rpg. Character skill, equipment choice, and story are the 3 main things in table top RPGs fun.
Flaws in lore that occur in ME2 are flaws in ME2.
I do agree the the geth one is nitpicky, the Quarian is a valid complaint.  Ammo is a better one.

Modifié par Dudeman315, 20 avril 2010 - 12:55 .

[SithLordExarKun]

xCirdanx wrote...

And he has his opinion, time to deal with that one? Because everything you do is calling him pathetic and a crying baby, while at the same time you do the same about him. Very clever. How about some real arguments against his ones..no?

And now you're crying about me crying about him crying like a baby, go reread my post rather than nitpick the ones where i blatantly called him out, theres your "real argument"(which of course you can easily ignore).

Dudeman315 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

 Oh
please i cannot even be bothered to read that useless wall of text,
what you blatantly forget is that every one of those UNC missions has
the same exact layout and you refuse to accept the fact
that N7 missions, while short and little to no dialogue are  more
varied in location.

How am i suppose to forget that theres
essentially no replay value for the majority of UNC missions which is
essentially drive around, get into the same exact pirate base, kill
everything in the same location and then the mission conclude? A few
dialogue choices in those ME1 missions do not make them superior to ME2
N7 missions, they just make them better integrated.

And yes, keep
denying that you have yet to nerd rage, which is essentially you
whining like a baby on the internet constantly for two months
along with the fact that you leep bumping your own thread because you
cannot accept the fact that ME2 turned out the way and want to gather
people who dislike it to constantly critisize it.

Look at your
last thread which was locked : Thanks
for messing up this franchise. with having more than half the forum
posters rediculing you. Seriously i have never seen anybody so pathetic
to constantly bash a game for months after its release recreating the
thread after its locked and then constantly bumping it to seek
attention. Not even other forum members who go to as far as to even hate
the game bash it on a constant daily basis.

ME2 is the way it
is, time to deal with it because moaning for months will not change
anything.


EDIT. And DO read your last post, you claim you
have yet to nitpick but yet you are doing so, just look at how
ridiculous and pathetic some of your "criticisms" are which are not
actual flaws with ME2(that "lesser" the RPG aspect) but more like "flaws
in the lore".

Such as these : 

Oh and why do Geth need
flares? Seriously, don’t they have better
eyesight or different
vision that wouldn’t require them to drop flares
to see in areas?

EDI can pinpoint a faint life sign of the Quarian
surrounded by a lot of
wildlife, yet cant pick up the large cluster
of humans in Jacobs
loyalty mission? Hey at least we get to shoot
stuff right?

^ I absolutely fail to see how these
don't count as nitpicking and valid criticisms that make ME2 a lesser
game.

Say what? Pathetic hypocrite.

You don't
help your point by making it sound like you are too lazy or uneducated
to read.
So a viewfinder(the organge things with picture disks) is
better than Tetris because the viewfinder has more locations?
Failure
in lore is failure as an rpg. Character skill, equipment choice, and
story are the 3 main things in table top RPGs fun.
Flaws in lore that
occur in ME2 are flaws in ME2.
I do agree the the geth one is
nitpicky, the Quarian is a valid complaint.  Ammo is a better one.

So one tiny insignificant flaws makes ME2 a vastly inferior game? And
no, i simply argued that N7 missions were more varied in location and in
objective where i even argue that ME1 handles the intergration better.

Weather you or he  that thinks ME1 r is a better game, its your opinion. I'm just questioning his rationale of "WAHHH More UNC missions in ME1 = superior side quests" and then tries to get very nitpicky and then tries to deny it in the process.

I just find it shocking that he still can summon walls of text to constantly bash a game that came out 2 months ago and i am not the only one questioning him in this regard. That being said he isn't as bad as other certain forum members that actually attack people for stating why they like ME2 or posting user scores.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 20 avril 2010 - 01:09 .

[Darth Drago]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Darth Drago wrote...

Oh and I haven’t even begun to “nerd rage” or “nit pick” as you and a few others enjoy to call it about what is wrong with Mass Effect 2. As long as others also post here with their views or opinions then this thread will live on.

Oh please i cannot even be bothered to read that useless wall of text, what you blatantly forget is that every one of those UNC missions has the same exact layout and you refuse to accept the fact that N7 missions, while short and little to no dialogue are more varied in location.

How am i suppose to forget that theres essentially no replay value for the majority of UNC missions which is essentially drive around, get into the same exact pirate base, kill everything in the same location and then the mission conclude? A few dialogue choices in those ME1 missions do not make them superior to ME2 N7 missions, they just make them better integrated.

And yes, keep denying that you have yet to nerd rage, which is essentially you whining like a baby on the internet constantly for two months along with the fact that you leep bumping your own thread because you cannot accept the fact that ME2 turned out the way and want to gather people who dislike it to constantly critisize it.

Look at your last thread which was locked : Thanks for messing up this franchise. with having more than half the forum posters rediculing you. Seriously i have never seen anybody so pathetic to constantly bash a game for months after its release recreating the thread after its locked and then constantly bumping it to seek attention. Not even other forum members who go to as far as to even hate the game bash it on a constant daily basis.

ME2 is the way it is, time to deal with it because moaning for months will not change anything.


EDIT. And DO read your last post, you claim you have yet to nitpick but yet you are doing so, just look at how ridiculous and pathetic some of your "criticisms" are which are not actual flaws with ME2(that "lesser" the RPG aspect) but more like "flaws in the lore".

Such as these :

Oh and why do Geth need flares? Seriously, don’t they have better
eyesight or different vision that wouldn’t require them to drop flares
to see in areas?

EDI can pinpoint a faint life sign of the Quarian surrounded by a lot of
wildlife, yet cant pick up the large cluster of humans in Jacobs
loyalty mission? Hey at least we get to shoot stuff right?

^ I absolutely fail to see how these don't count as nitpicking and valid criticisms that make ME2 a lesser game.

Say what? Pathetic hypocrite.

 

Its funny how you conveniently forgot how I did mention in the original posting about the UNC vs. N7 quests that I did state “Regardless if you hated the ones from ME1 for reusing the same layout or not.” in the first line and mentioned it again to you in the reply. Its not about the ME1 using the same layouts for the missions its the variations in the quests that you are given. It also has nothing to do with the locations.

-How is asking about the vision the Geth have is nitpicking? I cant even ask a question without it being taken and twisted into something it isn’t. Great way to pay attention to what is said on the page.

-As for EDI pinpointing life forms of any kind or lack of, its not nitpicking, its fact and a questionable flaw in the game.

But again you cant read clearly as I stated “Oh and I haven’t even begun to “nerd rage” or “nit pick” as you and a few others enjoy to call it about what is wrong with Mass Effect 2”.

This is why I created this thread as I stated from my fist posting in here:
“Since a few of these topics have been locked down for one reason or another as well it seems one gets created each day or so, it would be in everyone’s best interest to have a central topic for this.” I took what I learned from my original topic and the ones others had made to make one more user friendly for everyone.

The fact that I have been constantly attacked and ridiculed by people and still continue to voice my opinions on what I feel is wrong with ME2 should tell you that I will not just shut the hell up or go away. Is there some written law here that states I (or anyone) have only the first 2 months of a games release to say anything about it? Did those who had issues from ME1 just give up after 2 months? Wish I was here back then because I would have loved to have voice my gripes on ME1.

By the way, I do not blatantly “bump” this topic to keep it going. I have added a new posts, usually a fairly long one and let the thread sit for a few days. Quite a few of my posts are also replies. Since it does still get quite a few replies it is in no way different than any other topic in these forums.

Modifié par Darth Drago, 20 avril 2010 - 02:20 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Darth Drago wrote...

Its funny how you conveniently forgot how I did mention in the original posting about the UNC vs. N7 quests that I did state “Regardless if you hated the ones from ME1 for reusing the same layout or not.” in the first line and mentioned it again to you in the reply. Its not about the ME1 using the same layouts for the missions its the variations in the quests that you are given. It also has nothing to do with the locations.

Variations? What variations? Theres variation in the same base layout? Theres varation in the location?(Yes, i am doing this on purpose), hell, theres variation in the quests?

Its essentially diriving on the same terrain to the same base and clear the generic copy + paste pirate bases with little variation to the type of quest, it almost always involves you storming the same base, killing everything inside that base and in some quests have a few dialogue choices.

You purposely ignore these flaws(copy+past base) and then try to tell me that ME1's UNC missions are flawless and have more variations? I don't understand people like you.

Darth Drago wrote...
-How is asking about the vision the Geth have is nitpicking? I cant even ask a question without it being taken and twisted into something it isn’t. Great way to pay attention to what is said on the page.

  It IS nit picking, and im not the only one that called you out on it, you just don't have the balls to admit that you're going to an extent where you're no longer criticizing the game but nit picking on tiny details that do little to the game at all.

Thats more of a plot hole and not a gameplay flaw.

Darth Drago wrote...
-As for EDI pinpointing life forms of any kind or lack of, its not nitpicking, its fact and a questionable flaw in the game.

  Plot hole, a flaw like that does not make the game inferior, it is NOT a gameplay mechanic flaw. The ME1 fans were complaining about the gameplay mechanics and lack of stats, not on nit picky insignificant details like this.

In fact i could argue that ME1 started the greatest flaw of having sounds and explosions in space when in reality it doesn't. Do you get it? Thats not a criticism, thats nit picking, or that all of the planets have the same field of gravity when you land on it.

Darth Drago wrote...
But again you cant read clearly as I stated “Oh and I haven’t even begun to “nerd rage” or “nit pick” as you and a few others enjoy to call it about what is wrong with Mass Effect 2”.

I smell a liar. Look at your own thread. http://social.biowar...03/index/984766

But keep denying it, a mentally retarded individual can claim he is not retarded, but does that make it true? Let me answer for you : No.

Darth Drago wrote...
The fact that I have been constantly attacked and ridiculed by people and still continue to voice my opinions on what I feel is wrong with ME2 should tell you that I will not just shut the hell up or go away.

Then that shows extreme commitment to bashing a video game which points out to a possible mental condition. Really, you behave like your country has gone into a crisis, seriously its a game, don't like it dont play it. Simple.

If you're going to constantly bash a game and at the same time get insulted and get nothing out of it, it just points to you possibly having a mental condition that only psychologists can explain. No intelligent human being would waste their time whining for months about a video game that didn't plase him.

Darth Drago wrote...
Is there some written law here that states I (or anyone) have only the first 2 months of a games release to say anything about it? Did those who had issues from ME1 just give up after 2 months? Wish I was here back then because I would have loved to have voice my gripes on ME1.

Heres the problem, you have been bashing the game non stop since release day and continue to do so despite convincing no one.

You are doing your best to convince people that ME2 is an inferior game despite your efforts(and you even posted polls on which game is better with ME2 winning the majority of the votes).

Darth Drago wrote...
By the way, I do not blatantly “bump” this topic to keep it going. I have added a new posts, usually a fairly long one and let the thread sit for a few days. Since it does still get quite a few replies it is in no way different than any other topic in these forums.

Yes you do actually, like i said keep denying it.

But ill give you one thing, you're not as bad or as disturbing as some other forum members.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 20 avril 2010 - 02:31 .

[EAWare_amirite]

"If you're going to constantly bash a game and at the same time get insulted and get nothing out of it, it just points to you possibly having a mental condition that only psychologists can explain. No intelligent human being would waste their time whining for months about a video game that didn't plase him."



Then what does it say about the person that constantly feels the need to insult and bash people based on their opinion?

Surely a larger sign of mental instability, at the very least hypocrisy.

[FrostGun]

The polls suggest more people are happy with the game than disappointed.

[xCirdanx]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
And now you're crying about me crying about him crying like a baby, go reread my post rather than nitpick the ones where i blatantly called him out, theres your "real argument"(which of course you can easily ignore)

Which shows you either lack the ability to identifiy "crying" or you are not clever enough to even grasp that easy concept. (I bet on the last one.) But because i´m so in the mood, let´s get into some of your "arguments and opinions"

1: You purposely ignore these flaws(copy+past base) and then try to tell me
that ME1's UNC missions are flawless and have more variations? I don't
understand people like you.

No one is doing that, people are just saying that it was more interesting, gasp, there is an opinion and it differs from yours! How can they! Look, the "dungeons" (and they are nothing more) may have been the same, but it was always a different storyline and often coming alonge with decisions. Fact:: NOTHING of that is in ME2. sidequests..we are not talking about loality quests here.

2: It IS nit picking, and im not the only one that called you out on it,
you just don't have the balls to admit that you're going to an extent
where you're no longer criticizing the game but nit picking on tiny
details that do little to the game at all.
Thats more of a plot
hole and not a gameplay flaw.

i fail to see him posting something about a game flaw? Yes it´s a lore flaw..some he might care about....and? And no it IS NOT nit picking to bring out lore flaws. He seems to be really into the lore, what´s the problem with that? It´s an RPG  and questions and possible mistakes should be brought up, even when it´s just for the sake of a discussion..

3: Then that shows extreme commitment to bashing a video game which points out to a
possible mental condition. Really, you behave like your country has gone
into a crisis, seriously its a game, don't like it dont play it.
Simple.
 
What shows more about a person then going insane and insulting on the internet about someone else opinion? Oh now you have to be clever and might i say for once pathetic answer "but you do it to my post *crybabytears" No sorry, i´m voicing an opinion, mine..and in that opinion..you should be banned from this forum and from ever speaking again to a normal person Mr. "But keep denying it, a mentally retarded individual can claim he is not
retarded, but does that make it true? Let me answer for you : No."

Now of course that was sure no personal insult.

4:Heres the problem, you have been bashing the game non stop since release
day and continue to do so despite convincing no one.

You are clearly blind, because there a lot of Bioware/ME fans who where not that happy with the second part. But i guess only your blind opinion matters.

5: Take a lesson in behaviour then you might be able to acutaly be part of something like a discussion,because these usualy aren´t your opinion only.

I stay to it, after reading all your "stuff" in this thread, ban or not, you are an idiot and with that i´m done.

[uberdowzen]

I'm not here to debate, because I've honestly had enough of all the debate, I actually wanted to know what's up with the ME2 sacrificing story for action sigs? I mean more the picture than anything.

[Dudeman315]

youtube fat kid dancing---I copied TJSolo's sig because it was awesome and summed up what I wanted to say

[TJSolo]

Dudeman315 wrote...

youtube fat kid dancing---I copied TJSolo's sig because it was awesome and summed up what I wanted to say

I got the saying from someone else on this board, it was in their post but can't recall who said it.
I copied the pic from SkullandBonesmember.

[Shockwave81]

It's sad that we have a 'fan vs fan' situation going on around the forums.



I feel very much the same as Darth Drago, but that doesn't mean that I or he/she doesn't love the Mass Effect universe. As has been said before, it's BECAUSE we love the series that we're so incensed about the direction that BioWare took with ME2, and nervous about what will become of ME3.



Complaints are an important tool for almost all businesses (I should know, I work in a complaint resolution team), praise is also very important, but with praise you often don't see change.

[KotOREffecT]

Kalfear wrote...

yoomazir wrote...

Darth, I'm not bothering anymore with these kind of discussions because every time, some people, refusing to accept that ME2 has huge flaws, come here and start posting insulting messages, that's how the previous one got locked and that's how I think this topic will get also locked sooner or later.
But, let me just say to you : keep up the good work man, in the hope that the ME dev team may listen to it.

Well said and so true.

I see the usual suspects already argueing with him (mod included, way to be open minded there).

Great points Darth but like Yoomazir said, so many have tried before and left fustrated cause the same people say the same thing over and over and over and troll any thread that doesnt gush and agree with the vocal minority how great ME2 was.
 
Keep up the good fight!

 I'm sorry, but vocal minority? Did you just try and flip the script the other way around? You do realize that the majorty enjoyed ME 2 right? Not just on these forums but from all over the net to everywhere, most people thought ME 2 was great and phenominal even with some of its flaws.

Also because most people who enjoyed it have nothing to prove, we usually dont make as much topics as the haters/trolls and people who didn't enjoy it do. Plus a lot of us are tired of fighting the same fight with folks who dont understand certain things about ME 2, it just gets old.

So calling us who thought ME 2 was great a "vocal minority" is hilarious, esp considering a lot of us can easily point out the same batch of people who constantly hate on or troll various topics spewing their dislike for ME 2, you know who you are. Your greatly outnumbered and you know it.

As far as productive threads go for ME 2, a lot of us have already made it clear about what we want back in ME 3, such as the obvious more rpg elements,etc. ME 2 wasn't perfect, esp as far as rpg goes, but it damn well almost was as an overall game goes. And a lot of us, keyword "alot", enjoyed ME 2 greatly.

[uberdowzen]

Also bear in mind the argument that the people who liked the game are less likely to be on the forums and actually, you know, playing the game.

[RT0wn]

Yeah, okay, some people like Mass Effect 2 and some people don't like it. Some people like it, but not as much as the first one. The things to remember are:

1. We still have Mass Effect 1.
2. Personal opinions are personal.

Modifié par RT0wn, 20 avril 2010 - 07:18 .

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

Also bear in mind the argument that the people who liked the game are less likely to be on the forums and actually, you know, playing the game.

Or people could be playing FFXIII, Metro2033, Borderlands, or any number of other games.
Wouldn't it be better to try and deal with the points people are posting instead of avoiding the issue.
Assuming you can actually debate the flaws and opinions people have.

I'm sorry, but vocal minority? Did you just try and flip the script the
other way around? You do realize that the majorty enjoyed ME 2 right?
Not just on these forums but from all over the net to everywhere, most
people thought ME 2 was great and phenominal even with some of its
flaws.

That would be the funny part. Some people for what ever reason accept the game even the flaws while other people choose to point out said flaws. Which group of people will encourage change in the next game?

[SithLordExarKun]

EAWare_amirite wrote...

"If you're going to constantly
bash a game and at the same time get insulted and get nothing out of it,
it just points to you possibly having a mental condition that only
psychologists can explain. No intelligent human being would waste their
time whining for months about a video game that didn't plase him."

Then
what does it say about the person that constantly feels the need to
insult and bash people based on their opinion?
Surely a larger sign
of mental instability, at the very least hypocrisy.

Im not
bashing his opinion hun, in fact i already stated earlier that if he, or
anyone else prefers ME1 over ME2 and thinks ME2 is a pile of turd, its
his/her/its opinion.

Im just bashing his constant denial and
queer behaviour of being so obsessive over a video game that didn't
please him.

xCirdanx wrote...


Which shows you either lack the ability to identifiy "crying" or you are not clever enough to even grasp that easy concept. (I bet on the last one.) But because i´m so in the mood, let´s get into some of your "arguments and opinions"

Let me take the pleasure in destroying your "argument" piece by piece.

And just before i do that, do me a favour and learn to read:

Weather you or he  that thinks ME1 is a better game, its your opinion.
I'm just questioning his rationale of "WAHHH More UNC missions in ME1 =
superior side quests" and then tries to get very nitpicky and then
tries to deny it in the process.

^ Nowhere did i bash him on his opinion but rather his behaviour. Learn to read before trying to call someone out in the process.

xCirdanx wrote...
No one is doing that, people are just saying that it was more interesting, gasp, there is an opinion and it differs from yours! How can they! Look, the "dungeons" (and they are nothing more) may have been the same, but it was always a different storyline and often coming alonge with decisions. Fact:: NOTHING of that is in ME2. sidequests..we are not talking about loality quests here.

Wait wait wait! Look at the words highlighted in bold! First, you tell me that what ever drago said is his opinion but now you try to tell me its a fact? Opinions/Facts.

And you do a marvelous job of blatantly ignoring what i typed, how is each UNC mission different from one another when it
-Involves driving in the same terrain
-Storming the very same pirate base
-Killing everything in the same exact pirate base
-End of with a few dialogue choices

I just argued that the N7 missions were better varied in layout and variety, i didn't ever argue that they were better integrated than ME1's UNC missions, in fact i argued  that ME1's UNC missions were better and properly integrated with proper dialogue.

And i just simply questioned him how does having more copy + paste UNC quests mean its overall a better game.

xCirdanx wrote...
i fail to see him posting something about a game flaw? Yes it´s a lore flaw..some he might care about....and? And no it IS NOT nit picking to bring out lore flaws. He seems to be really into the lore, what´s the problem with that? It´s an RPG  and questions and possible mistakes should be brought up, even when it´s just for the sake of a discussion..

Heres the problem, its an invalid criticism, people are supposed to discuss the flaws that are present in ME2's gameplay, not the friggin lore.
I might as well downplay ME1 because the game depicts sounds and explosions in space which is never possible and  its just as stupid as him pointing out about the geths "eye sight" or EDI being unable to locate a bunch of humans.

He is basically going into every insignificant detail to bash the game.

 

xCirdanx wrote...
What shows more about a person then going insane and insulting on the internet about someone else opinion? Oh now you have to be clever and might i say for once pathetic answer "but you do it to my post *crybabytears" No sorry, i´m voicing an opinion, mine..and in that opinion..you should be banned from this forum and from ever speaking again to a normal person Mr. "But keep denying it, a mentally retarded individual can claim he is not
retarded, but does that make it true? Let me answer for you : No."

Lol trying to copy + paste my sly remarks to suit your "argument", do you not have the capabilities to do it on your own? Or do you get into roid rage when you try to do so?

I just questioned his constant nitpicking attitude over a video game, called him pathetic and listed the possibility of him having a mental condition(who bashes a game constantly for months?), how is THAT going insane? Quit with the hyperboles dawg as that doesn't make you look any more intelligent.

 

xCirdanx wrote...
Now of course that was sure no personal insult.

  Lulz sure it wasn't!


 

xCirdanx wrote...
You are clearly blind, because there a lot of Bioware/ME fans who where not that happy with the second part. But i guess only your blind opinion matters.

Oh i am well aware that there are alot of people that aren't happy with ME1(along with alot more people liking ME2), but i don't see them constantly bumping their own thread nerd raging over the internet for 2 months in a row.




 

xCirdanx wrote...
I stay to it, after reading all your "stuff" in this thread, ban or not, you are an idiot and with that i´m done.

Sure, just like how you say you're done but you will be back for more!.

By the way :  cry moar!