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[bjdbwea]

7a7ec wrote...

Mass Effect could have been one of the greatest franchises in gaming history but then came Mass Effect 2 .... Its an OK game but lacks any proper story (the little thing that made ME 1 such a superb game).

This. I really hoped they would make an actual trilogy. All they had to do was continue what they had. But as you said, instead came ME 2. And they already said ME 3 will be pretty much stand-alone too.

[tonnactus]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...
Oh, and yes, voicing the reasons for disappointment = feedback.

And applicable suggestions for improvement and coherent arguments that make sense = constructive feedback.

First: There is constructive feedback in this forum,story and gameplay wise.

Second: Its not the job of the gamers to provide solutions anyway.The gamers could name problems and the game designers and story writers could listen and solve  them if they want good sales. This is their job and they get money for that.

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 juin 2010 - 10:18 .

[spacehamsterZH]

tonnactus wrote...
First: There is constructive feedback in this forum,story and gameplay wise.

I never said there wasn't, just not from everybody. Not by a long shot.

Second: Its not the job of the gamers to provide solutions anyway.

I never said it was.

I repeat:

Sigh.

[tonnactus]

bjdbwea wrote...

7a7ec wrote...

Mass Effect could have been one of the greatest franchises in gaming history but then came Mass Effect 2 .... Its an OK game but lacks any proper story (the little thing that made ME 1 such a superb game).

This. I really hoped they would make an actual trilogy. All they had to do was continue what they had. But as you said, instead came ME 2. And they already said ME 3 will be pretty much stand-alone too.

Then those forums would be interesting considering all those people who seriously expect to get their Me2 squad back...

[Iakus]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It was rumored that the Takeover by EA squashed the DLC plans for ME 1.  Oddly enough they promised the Same thing in regards to ME 2 with DLC bridging the gap.  If they are true to their words expect ME 2 and its characters to be wrapped up in the DLC.  

Yeah but how much is it gonna cost us?  If I knew plot advancement would cost extra...well, at the very least I would have waited on the game.

[bjdbwea]

tonnactus wrote...

Then those forums would be interesting considering all those people who seriously expect to get their Me2 squad back...

There was someone above who accused people of complaining just because their favourite ME 1 characters were reduced to a badly written side role. That is of course laughable. If only that was the only problem ME 2 has! But you're right, I would expect an unprecedented amount of complaining if the ME 2 companions were treated the same way in ME 3. I wonder on which side the usual apologists here would be then?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 13 juin 2010 - 10:34 .

[StodgyFrost98]

bjdbwea wrote...

7a7ec wrote...

Mass Effect could have been one of the greatest franchises in gaming history but then came Mass Effect 2 .... Its an OK game but lacks any proper story (the little thing that made ME 1 such a superb game).

This. I really hoped they would make an actual trilogy. All they had to do was continue what they had. But as you said, instead came ME 2. And they already said ME 3 will be pretty much stand-alone too.

ME2 was an awesome game in every way except the story.  It even scored higher than the first in the metacritic score with a 96%. 

[bjdbwea]

Do you really believe ME 2 is only 4/100 away from being THE absolutely perfect game? Does anyone actually believe that? Certainly not, but people love to exaggerate these days. Just like the media. I for one can't and don't take such numbers seriously.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 13 juin 2010 - 10:49 .

[Iakus]

Lumikki wrote...

I find it also so funny how people criticisms ME2 and worship ME1.

I don't mean actual good feedback what many player has been given, but criticisms based what some player wanted to happen in ME2, but when it did not happen they whine about it. Like someone did not want the story be about micky mouse, they wanted it to be about donald duck.

Anderson to Council: "Shepard's right. Humanity is ready to do its part. United with the rest of the Council, we have the strength to overcome any challenge! When the reapers come, we must stand side-by-side! We must fight against them as one, and together, we will drive them back into dark space!"

Udina to Council: "Shepard's right. We're on the verge of war with an enemy unlike any the galaxy has ever known! A war for the survival of all life as we know it! Humanity is ready to do its part. We will not back down. We will not surrender. We will lead you into battle against the Reapers and drive them back into dark space!"

Turan Councilor to Shepard:  "Ah, yes, 'Reapers'..."

So, which is Mickey Mouse, and which is Donald Duck?  I vote the Turian as Goofy

My critisism:  I wanted Mass Effect 2, not Mass Effect Too!

[tonnactus]

bjdbwea wrote...

Do you really believe ME 2 is only 4/100 away from being THE absolutely perfect game?

Not even close.Not even regarding the combat that isnt nearly as good as some people claim it.No enemy sniper, enemies only use grenades in Kasumis Mission sometimes. Most part of the game is a boring cover ducking until the enemy is dead.Then rinse and repeat.

[7a7ec]

StodgyFrost98 are you serious .... Well perheps ME 3 will get 100/100 score and it wont have any story at all that.

StodgyFrost98 and you forgot to mention about your awesome game that the decisions from ME 1 had no real impact in ME 2, the RPG elements of the game were dumbed down to a kindergarden level, the companions from ME 1 that showed in ME 2 were a joke, you got to see a Terminator at the end of ME 2 ( when I first saw that I thought that it was some kind of a prank ), every one of your companions gives you a generic mission so that they would stay focused, you get to scan planets for resurces, ....

[bjdbwea]

tonnactus wrote...

Not even close.Not even regarding the combat that isnt nearly as good as some people claim it.No enemy sniper, enemies only use grenades in Kasumis Mission sometimes. Most part of the game is a boring cover ducking until the enemy is dead.Then rinse and repeat.

"Boring" is opinion of course. My point is, no game has ever been perfect, hence a 100/100 should be out of the question. Every review giving that number has already lost any credibility. And being so very close to it is almost impossible too. In case of ME 2, it's laughable. But of course objective reviews are rare anyway, it's all about hyping the masses these days.

[Pocketgb]

bjdbwea wrote...

Do you really believe ME 2 is only 4/100 away from being THE absolutely perfect game?

Ain't anymore ridiculous than ME1 being 9 points away from the most perfect game ever. It just means it's been well received, and I don't consider a five point difference to really be much of a breaking point for which one is "obviously superior".

bjdbwea wrote...

I for one can't and don't take such numbers seriously.

A review is an opinion as significant as any of our opinion's except that it gets published. That's it. Always see a high review as a slight recommendation.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 13 juin 2010 - 11:19 .

[xCirdanx]

StodgyFrost98 wrote...
...It even scored higher than the first in the metacritic score with a 96%. 

Metacritic score doesn´t matter at all and is totaly uninteresting, reading the reviews this score is based on is like reading one big silly advertisement. I would rather base my first impression on a review made by some gamer on a blog or forum, who actualy writes about the game, than on some article in a magazine, which usualy is more positiv when it comes to the well known game studios for obvious reasons.

[7a7ec]

iakus wrote...

Anderson to Council: "Shepard's right. Humanity is ready to do its part. United with the rest of the Council, we have the strength to overcome any challenge! When the reapers come, we must stand side-by-side! We must fight against them as one, and together, we will drive them back into dark space!"

Udina to Council: "Shepard's right. We're on the verge of war with an enemy unlike any the galaxy has ever known! A war for the survival of all life as we know it! Humanity is ready to do its part. We will not back down. We will not surrender. We will lead you into battle against the Reapers and drive them back into dark space!"

Turan Councilor to Shepard:  "Ah, yes, 'Reapers'..."

So, which is Mickey Mouse, and which is Donald Duck?  I vote the Turian as Goofy

My critisism:  I wanted Mass Effect 2, not Mass Effect Too!

funny, but so true ....

Modifié par 7a7ec, 13 juin 2010 - 11:33 .

[AlanC9]

MassEffect762 wrote...

Whining or Constructive feedback it's not like most you folks give two cents about the opinion being given.

Don't be silly. There is a difference between whining and constructive feedback.

But you're right about the zero-sumness of it all. People want different things from Mass Effect. Someone's going to lose.

[AlanC9]

7a7ec wrote...
 the RPG elements of the game were dumbed down to a kindergarden level,

What do people mean when they say "RPG elements," anyway? Is it "things that other CRPGs typically have"?

[AlanC9]

xCirdanx wrote...
 I would rather base my first impression on a review made by some gamer on a blog or forum, who actualy writes about the game, than on some article in a magazine, which usualy is more positiv when it comes to the well known game studios for obvious reasons.

I agree. And when you do that, ME2 still comes out better than ME1. Check the Gamespot user reviews. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

iakus wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It was rumored that the Takeover by EA squashed the DLC plans for ME 1.  Oddly enough they promised the Same thing in regards to ME 2 with DLC bridging the gap.  If they are true to their words expect ME 2 and its characters to be wrapped up in the DLC.  

Yeah but how much is it gonna cost us?  If I knew plot advancement would cost extra...well, at the very least I would have waited on the game.

Depends on how they package it.  At current rate we are getting a DLC pack once every two months for 7 bucks.  That may continue for maybe a year and 2-4 months.  Expect a few of those to count as it were.   However they could also at some point go the same route as Dragon Age and release an expansion which they will most likely charge 40 bucks for.  

[Onyx Jaguar]

7a7ec wrote...

StodgyFrost98 are you serious .... Well perheps ME 3 will get 100/100 score and it wont have any story at all that.
StodgyFrost98 and you forgot to mention about your awesome game that the decisions from ME 1 had no real impact in ME 2, the RPG elements of the game were dumbed down to a kindergarden level, the companions from ME 1 that showed in ME 2 were a joke, you got to see a Terminator at the end of ME 2 ( when I first saw that I thought that it was some kind of a prank ), every one of your companions gives you a generic mission so that they would stay focused, you get to scan planets for resurces, ....

I'm sorry but when I pay 60 bucks for a game I expect it to be a full game and not entirely dependent on a previous game.  Also each of the side missions are not at all generic.  Would I have wanted decisions to have an impact on ME 2 from ME 1?  Sure.  Do I really care in the end?  No.  As long as they are not negated I do not anyway.  

Besides "RPG Elements"

Word

[Xeranx]

AlanC9 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

You can sell a lot more copies of a game if the quality is there because no one will argue against said quality.  Bioware has been in this game because people believe they have quality writing.  Almost every post I've seen touts Bioware's quality delivery with story and it seems you're questioning just that.

Did you read the post I was responding to? All I was saying is that there's a limit to how much game there is in the box, whether you choose to emphasize quality or not. Neither quality nor quantity is free.

I did read the post you were responding to, but I was responding (moreso) to your statement of no one charging $100 for a game since it seemed to be based on the quality aspect.  To me it looked like you were saying we should take whatever we're given and be glad we're given something that we can pay $50-$60 bucks for.  Your latest reply stating "neither quality nor quantity is free" leads me to believe you agree with paying for things that are not quite respresentative of what people can do.  In other words, it seems you agree with being nickel-and-dimed on things that should be inherent in any service you spend your coin on.

I pay for internet service that has peak times because bandwith is shared between myself and other people in my area that have that service.  I have consistently had low speeds so that I can't perform tasks like checking email as fast as I'm supposed to.  If I were to work from home this would be a constant irritation.  Not only that, the service I pay for offers a faster service for an extra $10 when the service I'm currently getting isn't up to snuff considering I know they're capable of giving me and others twice the speed we're getting now but choose not to.  That's not quality service.  It's being lazy and making a premium on it.  I can run a business, do quality work, charge a fair price that won't gouge customers and I guarantee I'll be around much longer than any other business that (for lack of a better term) half-asses it and charges more money.

What I read with your post is that, "people can be greedy if they want and I'll support them, and no one should have a problem doing so either".  I apologize if that's not where you're coming from.  As I said, that's what I read when I read your post.

[AlanC9]

Xeranx wrote...
I did read the post you were responding to, but I was responding (moreso) to your statement of no one charging $100 for a game since it seemed to be based on the quality aspect.  To me it looked like you were saying we should take whatever we're given and be glad we're given something that we can pay $50-$60 bucks for.  Your latest reply stating "neither quality nor quantity is free" leads me to believe you agree with paying for things that are not quite respresentative of what people can do.  In other words, it seems you agree with being nickel-and-dimed on things that should be inherent in any service you spend your coin on.

Looks like we don't have have a real disagreement here. $60 just seems to be the current ceiling of what a game is worth, and given that reality we have to choose what we'd like emphasized.  If I gave another impression I probably should have expressed myself better.

[KitsuneRommel]

tonnactus wrote...

Then those forums would be interesting considering all those people who seriously expect to get their Me2 squad back...

I think a lot of people have not played BioWare games before.

[Terror_K]

AlanC9 wrote...

7a7ec wrote...
 the RPG elements of the game were dumbed down to a kindergarden level,

What do people mean when they say "RPG elements," anyway? Is it "things that other CRPGs typically have"?

Seriously? Have you not been reading what people have been saying repeatedly over the last five months?

[Tempest]

Terror_K wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

7a7ec wrote...
 the RPG elements of the game were dumbed down to a kindergarden level,

What do people mean when they say "RPG elements," anyway? Is it "things that other CRPGs typically have"?

Seriously? Have you not been reading what people have been saying repeatedly over the last five months?

Thing is, RPG is so broad of a term nowadays that its very hard to pinpoint.  On one hand you have the abillity to manipulate where you want to focus your strengths on, like what was seen on ME1.  On the other end the points are put on for you like FF.   Both are considered RPG elements but people can be doubtful.  Some games have a massive inventory like RPG's (Action/Adventure games do this often).
I just see it now as, well to be frank I can't pinpoint it as well as I used to.  Tomb Raider had an okay story and a massive inventory, but was not an RPG because it lacked "lvling up".   So....to make a game an RPG you need a lvl up system than?  I mean, if you took lvling up out of FF and ME it would be an Action/Adventure game than?
I just keep thinking that and it seems that the games would be classified in that fashion.

Modifié par Tempest, 14 juin 2010 - 06:00 .