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[EAWare_amirite]

"Im not

bashing his opinion hun, in fact i already stated earlier that if he, or

anyone else prefers ME1 over ME2 and thinks ME2 is a pile of turd, its

his/her/its opinion.



Im just bashing his constant denial and

queer behaviour of being so obsessive over a video game that didn't

please him."



So he is free to have his opinion but voicing is reason enough to bash him.

Very hypocritical.

You should consider therapy.

[Kalfear]

You know your not dealing with reality when a person says they see more pro then negative posts here and at other websites.



I dont know what everyone thinks, but of the people that posted its like 65%-70% negative with the pro posters just posting over and over (still same person even if he or she does post in 30 different threads).



ME1 was mostly accepted except for the shooter kids, ME2 was pretty much negative from the RPG crowd.



Like it or not, more RPGers post on Bioware and other Bioware related game sites then shooter players do!



Thats just the demographic and anyone saying different just in denial.

[Massadonious1]

Oh look, Kalfear posted. I was wondering why I had this headache.

Also:

Modifié par Massadonious1, 20 avril 2010 - 08:17 .

[soren145]

Oh god damn it, ME1 and ME2 are both awesome. These discussions have been done to death so why do they keep on getting made? We get it! Some people like the second and/or first one others hate the second and/or first one, this is the oldest argument in history on any subject with movies/books/games.
For all the complainers out there; how about you guys try making a world renowned game? Hmm? Can't do it? didn't think so. Bioware does damn good work and it's insulting to hear so called "fans" of the series moan about small inconsequential aspects.

[SithLordExarKun]

EAWare_amirite wrote...


So he is free to have his opinion but voicing is reason enough to bash him.
Very hypocritical.
You should consider therapy.

Voicing is fine, how can i not be okay with him voicing if im not not okay with his opinion?
Yeah, your right! Im so in need of therapy right now, therapy to get away from self proclaimed forum policeman like you.

Damn i may not need therapy! I may even need to be warded in a mental institute!! HELP!!!

[SithLordExarKun]

soren145 wrote...

Oh god damn it, ME1 and ME2 are both awesome. These discussions have been done to death so why do they keep on getting made?

Ask darth drago. He won't stop posting about how ME2 is a pile of turd. I don't care that he thinks ME2 sucks, i get annoyed at him constantly forcing his opinions down other peoples throats for 2 months(and probably until ME3 gets released).

[EAWare_amirite]

Getting annoyed by seeing his opinions is your problem.

He is not forcing anything down peoples throats, that is just your perception you trying to use as an excuse admittedly bash him.

It doesn't matter if Darth or any poster post their opinions from now up until the end of time. That isn't a factor or reason to admittedly bash him

Bashing someone is not an opinion.

Emotionally being effect the way you are against opinions would be the same involvement you claim Darth has in terms of a video game.

You need a vacation from the boards and therapy, glad you admit it.

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

Also bear in mind the argument that the people who liked the game are less likely to be on the forums and actually, you know, playing the game.

Or people could be playing FFXIII, Metro2033, Borderlands, or any number of other games.
Wouldn't it be better to try and deal with the points people are posting instead of avoiding the issue.
Assuming you can actually debate the flaws and opinions people have.

I'm sorry, but vocal minority? Did you just try and flip the script the
other way around? You do realize that the majorty enjoyed ME 2 right?
Not just on these forums but from all over the net to everywhere, most
people thought ME 2 was great and phenominal even with some of its
flaws.

That would be the funny part. Some people for what ever reason accept the game even the flaws while other people choose to point out said flaws. Which group of people will encourage change in the next game?

I'm totally fine with people who don't like the game. I'm not totally fine with people who make up things like "the majority of people on the forums didn't like the game" and who say that other people can like the game despite it's "flaws". One person's flaw is another person's improvement. You're not respecting someones opinion if you also imply that they're wrong.

What are Mass Effect 2's flaws? And don't just say "They dumbed down the RPG stuff so it's flawed" explain how this makes the game worse than ME1.

[SithLordExarKun]

EAWare_amirite wrote...

Getting annoyed by seeing his opinions is your problem.
He is not forcing anything down peoples throats, that is just your perception you trying to use as an excuse admittedly bash him.
It doesn't matter if Darth or any poster post their opinions from now up until the end of time. That isn't a factor or reason to admittedly bash him
Bashing someone is not an opinion.
Emotionally being effect the way you are against opinions would be the same involvement you claim Darth has in terms of a video game.
You need a vacation from the boards and therapy, glad you admit it.

First off, don't make it your problem. Secondly ,How exactly am i being emotionally affected by his "opinions" when i clearly stated that i didn't and was bashing his behaviour?

Third, theres nothing wrong with pointing out that he may have a mental condition seeing that he is so obsessed over bashing a game that doesn't please him.

Forth, you really want to know the true meaning of being "emotionally being effected", go look at the people dying in north korea and look at bangkok in polotical turmoil.

Fifth, try to understand the concept of sarcasm.

And last but not least, don't be a hypocrite, don't try to tell me not to "bash" other people(since when 1 person = every person in the forum?) and then try to bash me in the process.

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

I'm totally fine with people who don't like the game. I'm not totally fine with people who make up things like "the majority of people on the forums didn't like the game" and who say that other people can like the game despite it's "flaws". One person's flaw is another person's improvement. You're not respecting someones opinion if you also imply that they're wrong.

What are Mass Effect 2's flaws? And don't just say "They dumbed down the RPG stuff so it's flawed" explain how this makes the game worse than ME1.

People calling for the majority or attempting to disregard another persons opinion as minority both fail at not being able to actually talk about the points raised.

If you are unable to see any flaws in ME2 or unable to read several of the threads(even a sticky) in regards to ME2 flaws and improvements people want to see in ME3 then me going out and listing them would be pointless.
Being light on RPG elements is a flaw, even if you don't want it said. The issue of being light on RPG elements is an issue a lead designer for ME has addressed as a goal to improve on for ME3.

Read the damn thread if you want an idea of flaws. You don't have to agree with them but objectively some of the flaws people point out are understandable.

[uberdowzen]

But how is a lack of RPG elements a flaw?

Also do you mean the Mass Effect 3 wishlist thread. I'm not reading through 145 pages of that just to find out what people didn't like about the game.

Modifié par uberdowzen, 20 avril 2010 - 08:50 .

[SithLordExarKun]

uberdowzen wrote...

But how is a lack of RPG elements a flaw?

Also do you mean the Mass Effect 3 wishlist thread. I'm not reading through 145 pages of that just to find out what people didn't like about the game.

Its generally a flaw to RPG players.

[uberdowzen]

My favourite genre is RPG, I'm obsessed by them and yet I didn't mind that they changed these elements in ME2.

[EAWare_amirite]

"First off, don't make it your problem. Secondly ,How exactly am i being emotionally affected by his "opinions" when i clearly stated that i didn't and was bashing his behaviour?

Third, theres nothing wrong with pointing out that he may have a mental condition seeing that he is so obsessed over bashing a game that doesn't please him.

Forth, you really want to know the true meaning of being "emotionally being effected", go look at the people dying in north korea and look at bangkok in polotical turmoil.

Fifth, try to understand the concept of sarcasm.

And last but not least, don't be a hypocrite, don't try to tell me not to "bash" other people(since when 1 person = every person in the forum?) and then try to bash me in the process."



Don't try and thread the needle by claiming you're not bashing him but bashing his behavior. In the context of these boards there isn't little difference and begets the same results, flaming.

If you are able to actively ignore his stipulations in his posts then fairly your stipulations are ignorable.

Pointing out a possible mental condition would be fine if a person asked for such a diagnosis and if you are a doctor in that field of medicine. Otherwise it just appears you are trying to skirt the rules of the boards via semantics. Which does not matter if the same results happen.

Darth, you, and I are posting on the same game board even if it is about different issues we all seem to have similar amounts of emotional investments. Ridiculing Darth or anyone else on their commitment to communicating their ideas is rude and hypocritical. Sarcasm does not communicate well via text without an abundant usage of emoticons and statements that like jk or kidding.

My habit of reading more than I post has allowed be the privilege of being witness reporting several of you other attacks against other forum posters, Darth not being the one and only victim of your self justified attacks and slander crusades. After the last posts I saw from you I would have thought your board vacation would have lasted longer.

So I will be going back to read mode and will gladly continue to report people that violate the rules. As that interferes with the general flow of ideas on this board.

[Massadonious1]

EAWare_amirite wrote...
So I will be going back to read mode and will gladly continue to report people that violate the rules. As that interferes with the general flow of ideas on this board.

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

But how is a lack of RPG elements a flaw?

Also do you mean the Mass Effect 3 wishlist thread. I'm not reading through 145 pages of that just to find out what people didn't like about the game.

The lack of RPG elements is a flaw because those elements were not as fleshed out as they could have been because too much time was spent reinventing the combat. This conclusion is taken from Christina Normans GDC presentation and the resolution is a focus to provide richer RPG elements in ME3.
If you want to argue that lacking does not constitute a flaw, you're barking up the wrong tree. It is a big enough issue to warrant mention in her presentation. That is enough to be deemed a flaw in the eyes of some, while not others.

Like I said. If you are not one that is objective, understanding the flaws some people point out would be very hard.
Please do notice I am saying understand, not agree.
You are even in a thread about some of the flaws some people have with the game, yet are still feigning ignorance and being non-accepting to their opinions.
That is proof no amount of me listing flaws would appease you.
Your state of mind is that you don't want to understand therefore you will not understand.

[SithLordExarKun]

Here's the thing, it doesn't take a doctor with a degree to tell if someone may have a mental condition, any human being can see it for themselves with their own eyes and don't honestly tell me you took that particular claim seriously? Aren't you getting a little too emotionally invested in a few sly remarks that you had to start policing the forums thinking you're a somebody when the awful reality is your not?



That's pretty hypocritical isn't it trying to tell me I'm getting emotional when i gave out a tiny sly remark and then having you yourself emotionally investing yourself in such petty remarks.



And just to let you know my personal opinion, putting drago out of the picture as i was rude to him first, the attacks against 2 other forum members are well justified in my opinion, you don't get to dictate that.



If you want me to stop bashing drago, you could have "asked" rather than try to call me out in the process which essentially adds oil to the fire, so much for your "holier than thou" speech.

[Massadonious1]

It's hard to understand a "flaw" when you don't agree that it was one in the first place.

Not having an inventory is a plus for some people. I don't see why they need to reach some magical understanding with people that don't consider it as such.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 20 avril 2010 - 09:19 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Massadonious1 wrote...

EAWare_amirite wrote...
So I will be going back to read mode and will gladly continue to report people that violate the rules. As that interferes with the general flow of ideas on this board.

:innocent:

[EAWare_amirite]

I very clearly wrote all of us posting on this game board have some level of emotion investment. Never did I exclude myself.

Everyone has a report this post button, so everyone has an equal ability to police the forums. You saying I am doing it means nothing special.

Attacking someone on the forum is not justifiable, even if you attempt to proclaim it so. Read the other posts others asked you to stop and you didn't.

I am not asking you to do anything because that is pointless, I am however voicing my distaste for your attacks and slander, or in your words sly remarks.

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

But how is a lack of RPG elements a flaw?

Also do you mean the Mass Effect 3 wishlist thread. I'm not reading through 145 pages of that just to find out what people didn't like about the game.

The lack of RPG elements is a flaw because those elements were not as fleshed out as they could have been because too much time was spent reinventing the combat. This conclusion is taken from Christina Normans GDC presentation and the resolution is a focus to provide richer RPG elements in ME3.
If you want to argue that lacking does not constitute a flaw, you're barking up the wrong tree. It is a big enough issue to warrant mention in her presentation. That is enough to be deemed a flaw in the eyes of some, while not others.

Like I said. If you are not one that is objective, understanding the flaws some people point out would be very hard.
Please do notice I am saying understand, not agree.
You are even in a thread about some of the flaws some people have with the game, yet are still feigning ignorance and being non-accepting to their opinions.
That is proof no amount of me listing flaws would appease you.
Your state of mind is that you don't want to understand therefore you will not understand.

But my point is you are also being non-accepting in my point of view that I really liked ME2 and thought every change they made improved the game. The inventory in ME1 was a pain in the ass and any inventory system would break the pace of the story. I don't think that the levelling system in ME1 was very good (although I'm not saying ME2's was any better). The way I see it, Bioware did focus on the combat, so now the combat is really good and the role playing (not the RPG elements, the roleplaying) is just as good as it was in ME1.

I'm also somewhat insulted by the notion that I've put myself into a state of mind where I won't accept any critisicm against ME2. I didn't like ME2 at first either, but after 2 playthroughs and a lot of thinking I've decided there aren't really any game design descisions I wouldn't repeat if I were put in Bioware's shoes. I also pointed out I didn't want flaws listed to me, I wanted to know why they're flaws and how the game could be made better. If it makes sense I will listen.

[TJSolo]

Massadonious1 wrote...

It's hard to understand a "flaw" when you don't agree that it was one in the first place.

Not having an inventory is a plus for some people. I don't see why they need to reach some magical understanding with people that don't consider it as such.

There is the problem with the intial mindset of a flaw does not count unless you agree.
Since you had to add the qualifier "some" infront of people you realize that at the same time "some" people would also consider it not a plus, a flaw for them. Which would be understandable for them, not something needing your agreement on.

Not being objective enough to even understand some of the issues people raise is your failing. It is a good thing Bioware is more objective than the posters on this board. Otherwise there would be no sticky wishlist or any information about improving things for ME3. ME3 would just be a stagant clone of ME2.

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...
But my point is you are also being non-accepting in my point of view that I really liked ME2 and thought every change they made improved the game. The inventory in ME1 was a pain in the ass and any inventory system would break the pace of the story. I don't think that the levelling system in ME1 was very good (although I'm not saying ME2's was any better). The way I see it, Bioware did focus on the combat, so now the combat is really good and the role playing (not the RPG elements, the roleplaying) is just as good as it was in ME1.

I'm also somewhat insulted by the notion that I've put myself into a state of mind where I won't accept any critisicm against ME2. I didn't like ME2 at first either, but after 2 playthroughs and a lot of thinking I've decided there aren't really any game design descisions I wouldn't repeat if I were put in Bioware's shoes. I also pointed out I didn't want flaws listed to me, I wanted to know why they're flaws and how the game could be made better. If it makes sense I will listen.

I only quoted you a bit in this thread and it was not about your views of ME2. It was about your views against people that have some negative opinions about ME2.
I can understand people calling the ME1 inventory system clunky, breaking the pace of the story would be a stretch bordering on exageration, but I can't counter and say the system was not a pain in the ass for you. It was so that is it.

This thread has reasons and explanations on flaws people have with the game. If you didn't read them and you're still calling for explanation then...the notion of you not being accepting of critiscm is accurate.

Go here; http://social.biowar...03/index/913897
If you can go there and still not able to find acceptable reasoning well then, a horse is a horse.

[Massadonious1]

Why would I want them to change something that I clearly think benefits the game? I'm supposed to find some hidden wisdom in a viewpoint that completely contridicts my own? Planet scanning (and helmet toggle, to a lesser extent) is the only thing I have a major issue with. I wouldn't mind a game that completely took everything else with it.

You can make people like me and uberdowzen out to be bad guys as much as you like, but it's not going to work. I don't need to understand why people have certain issues with things I don't, and I certainly don't need to feel guilty for it. They have their opinions, and I have mine. Who's to say that either one of us is right in the end?

I'd also like to add that it works both ways as well. If I had a nickel for everytime someone was called a mindless shooter drone, or something similar for liking the more TPS-ish aspects of the game, I wouldn't have to work the job that I use to troll these forums in.

Modifié par Massadonious1, 20 avril 2010 - 10:03 .

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...
But my point is you are also being non-accepting in my point of view that I really liked ME2 and thought every change they made improved the game. The inventory in ME1 was a pain in the ass and any inventory system would break the pace of the story. I don't think that the levelling system in ME1 was very good (although I'm not saying ME2's was any better). The way I see it, Bioware did focus on the combat, so now the combat is really good and the role playing (not the RPG elements, the roleplaying) is just as good as it was in ME1.

I'm also somewhat insulted by the notion that I've put myself into a state of mind where I won't accept any critisicm against ME2. I didn't like ME2 at first either, but after 2 playthroughs and a lot of thinking I've decided there aren't really any game design descisions I wouldn't repeat if I were put in Bioware's shoes. I also pointed out I didn't want flaws listed to me, I wanted to know why they're flaws and how the game could be made better. If it makes sense I will listen.

I only quoted you a bit in this thread and it was not about your views of ME2. It was about your views against people that have some negative opinions about ME2.
I can understand people calling the ME1 inventory system clunky, breaking the pace of the story would be a stretch bordering on exageration, but I can't counter and say the system was not a pain in the ass for you. It was so that is it.

This thread has reasons and explanations on flaws people have with the game. If you didn't read them and you're still calling for explanation then...the notion of you not being accepting of critiscm is accurate.

Go here; http://social.biowar...03/index/913897
If you can go there and still not able to find acceptable reasoning well then, a horse is a horse.

Sorry, wait, what views do I have against the people who have negative opinions about ME2? I think your signature implies that anyone who likes ME2 is some kind of idiot who's obsessed with explosions.

And how does it not break the flow when you have to stop for 10 minutes to clear out your inventory?