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[haberman13]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

By the way,i would rather explore stories then items that just make killing a little easier.Like how l2 biotics were treated for example.Best would be both of course,but i dont expect that mercs having top of the line weapons anyway. In Oblivion this became absurd on high levels,when even bandits had deadra armor.

Fixed with FCOM... but yeah, one of my complaints from vanilla.

Honestly, I hated Oblivion for its randomly generated design, only with mods does the game become an equal (and surpass) Morrowind.

Unique Landscapes compilation is amazing, makes exploration much more interesting and worthwhile.

Oblivion really is incredible now, with all the work the community has put into it.

I can't imagine playing vanilla on a console, pretty sure I just would pass.

I pretty much did pass, never finished the game. You're making me think I should go back and take another look.

If you love gaming/RPG/Open World you owe it to yourself to go back, I went from cursing the ground Oblivion sat on to lauding it as the best game ever.

If you loved Morrowind, you owe it to yourself to mod up Oblivion and give it another run.

Back on topic: if only Bioware would make their games like Bethesda, and fully support community modding, most of these "complaint" threads would be moot.

Modifié par haberman13, 09 août 2010 - 08:01 .

[Il Divo]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I pretty much did pass, never finished the game. You're making me think I should go back and take another look.

In all fairness, if you mod Oblivion up, it is definitely worth your time to play through it a bit longer. Especially if you enjoy playing as a Mage.

[haberman13]

Il Divo wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I pretty much did pass, never finished the game. You're making me think I should go back and take another look.

In all fairness, if you mod Oblivion up, it is definitely worth your time to play through it a bit longer. Especially if you enjoy playing as a Mage.

And with "deadly reflexes 5.0" using a sword is awesome now too!

You can decapitate, cutt off torsos, shield bash, kick, stun and do other crazy sword/blunt moves.

[Il Divo]

haberman13 wrote...

And with "deadly reflexes 5.0" using a sword is awesome now too!

You can decapitate, cutt off torsos, shield bash, kick, stun and do other crazy sword/blunt moves.

Yeah, my younger brother's a huge fan with that. I've seen it in action, most interesting. I roleplay that my Mage refuses to touch weapons of any kind (he's elitist like that), so I unfortunately haven't had too much experience with it.

Out of curiosity, did you try downloading that Underdark mod? It was pretty cool from what I've heard.

[haberman13]

Il Divo wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

And with "deadly reflexes 5.0" using a sword is awesome now too!

You can decapitate, cutt off torsos, shield bash, kick, stun and do other crazy sword/blunt moves.

Yeah, my younger brother's a huge fan with that. I've seen it in action, most interesting. I roleplay that my Mage refuses to touch weapons of any kind (he's elitist like that), so I unfortunately haven't had too much experience with it.

Out of curiosity, did you try downloading that Underdark mod? It was pretty cool from what I've heard.

No, I haven't tried Underdark, it looks awesome though and has 100k downloads; so its probably great.

[Whatever42]

One day, the engine that allows Bioware and Bethesda to meet in the middle will be built and we will have amazing open living worlds, cinematic game play, strong stories, deep characters and immense modability all in one game. I just want it now.

Well, maybe not. I might never leave it.

[tonnactus]

haberman13 wrote...


Back on topic: if only Bioware would make their games like Bethesda, and fully support community modding, most of these "complaint" threads would be moot.

At least moders could rebalance gameplay,so playing as an adept would be fun on the harder difficulties instead of the
tedious singularity and warp spam it is now.(or drone and incinerate spam as an engineer)

The "mages" of MAss Effect 2 were seriously nerfed.

[bjdbwea]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

One day, the engine that allows Bioware and Bethesda to meet in the middle will be built and we will have amazing open living worlds, cinematic game play, strong stories, deep characters and immense modability all in one game. I just want it now.

I would be willing to pay double price for that game. But then, I'd be willing to pay double price for a true successor to ME 1 too. Too bad such a game is not available.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 09 août 2010 - 10:12 .

[William Adama]

Why is ME2 2 disks long if ME1 had much more content?



How does Miranda/ Jack/ Samara walk into a firefight with an outfit that has 0 armor protection?



Aside: Bioware killed off Shepard in ME2 opening so that they would have the excuse to incorporate morality "corruption" mechanics into the characters appearance.



Funny thing is, everyone upgraded their med bay to erase the scars ASAP. I didn't spend 2 hours molding my main character to have his/her face crapped on with ugly terminator lights and pale skin. Who even thought of that?



Another missed opportunity: If Shepard is bionic, why not make him more superhuman?



I'll be back with more.

[Mike2640]

There's nothing I could say that hasn't already been said better in the 300+ pages of this topic. I liked Mass Effect 2 as a game, but it was a ******-poor RPG.



Also Mirandas' outfit is ridiculous.

[Xeranx]

bjdbwea wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

One day, the engine that allows Bioware and Bethesda to meet in the middle will be built and we will have amazing open living worlds, cinematic game play, strong stories, deep characters and immense modability all in one game. I just want it now.

I would be willing to pay double price for that game. But then, I'd be willing to pay double price for a true successor to ME 1 too. Too bad such a game is not available.

I know it's a nitpick, but I seriously hate seeing comments like this.  If the quality is supposed to be there already why-oh-why would you, a sane individual, want to pay twice as much when the quality that should be there already is added in?  It really boggles my mind and angers me as I feel people who sell their products feel even more entitled to give you a weak product and charge you for upgrades later.  If I'm going to look for an apartment I don't want to pay 500 a month because the landlord tells me it's ready to go and then I find that there's no hot water running and he/she tells me hot running water is an extra 200.  Or go to a car dealership and pay thousands of dollars for a car and then get told that I'll need to call a tow truck to get it off the lot or pay an extra 4k for an engine and the keys to start the car.  It's called the bait-and-switch and for some reason we have foolishly accepted this philosophy and have not called service providers (whatever service they may be soliciting) on the mat for unfair practices.

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

One day, the engine that allows Bioware and Bethesda to meet in the middle will be built and we will have amazing open living worlds, cinematic game play, strong stories, deep characters and immense modability all in one game. I just want it now.

I would be willing to pay double price for that game. But then, I'd be willing to pay double price for a true successor to ME 1 too. Too bad such a game is not available.

I know it's a nitpick, but I seriously hate seeing comments like this.  If the quality is supposed to be there already why-oh-why would you, a sane individual, want to pay twice as much when the quality that should be there already is added in?  It really boggles my mind and angers me as I feel people who sell their products feel even more entitled to give you a weak product and charge you for upgrades later.  If I'm going to look for an apartment I don't want to pay 500 a month because the landlord tells me it's ready to go and then I find that there's no hot water running and he/she tells me hot running water is an extra 200.  Or go to a car dealership and pay thousands of dollars for a car and then get told that I'll need to call a tow truck to get it off the lot or pay an extra 4k for an engine and the keys to start the car.  It's called the bait-and-switch and for some reason we have foolishly accepted this philosophy and have not called service providers (whatever service they may be soliciting) on the mat for unfair practices.

It's probably exageration.  Or at worst, they'd be saying "I'd pay full price for another game that did that"  Truth be told, I'd be tempted to purchase a game that did what was described, and was a true successor to Mass Effect. At least, as long as it included an hand-written apology.  And  fruit basket.  And a promise to never, ever, neglect the story just to rope in a few more players, and maybe a blackboard with "Improve, not remove" written on it 100 times...

[Xeranx]

iakus wrote...

It's probably exageration.  Or at worst, they'd be saying "I'd pay full price for another game that did that"  Truth be told, I'd be tempted to purchase a game that did what was described, and was a true successor to Mass Effect. At least, as long as it included an hand-written apology.  And  fruit basket.  And a promise to never, ever, neglect the story just to rope in a few more players, and maybe a blackboard with "Improve, not remove" written on it 100 times...

I know that's the truth for some.  The problem is I've run into people who actually have that thought and try to justify it.  Anyway I apologize.  I didn't mean to derail the thread

[William Adama]

Mass effect 2 Plot Analysis:



Part 1:

[Whatever42]

William Adama wrote...

Mass effect 2 Plot Analysis:

Part 1:

Smudboy promotes himself enough, thanks.<_<

[theelementslayer]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

William Adama wrote...

Mass effect 2 Plot Analysis:

Part 1:

Smudboy promotes himself enough, thanks.<_<

You think William Adama and Smudboy are the same?

[Iakus]

William Adama wrote...

Mass effect 2 Plot Analysis:

Part 1:

Some people don't care for the humor (me I think it's hilarious) But he makes a lot of excellent points in that series.

It should be required viewing for the devs.

[Halo Quea]

Xeranx wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

One day, the engine that allows Bioware and Bethesda to meet in the middle will be built and we will have amazing open living worlds, cinematic game play, strong stories, deep characters and immense modability all in one game. I just want it now.

I would be willing to pay double price for that game. But then, I'd be willing to pay double price for a true successor to ME 1 too. Too bad such a game is not available.

I know it's a nitpick, but I seriously hate seeing comments like this.  If the quality is supposed to be there already why-oh-why would you, a sane individual, want to pay twice as much when the quality that should be there already is added in?  It really boggles my mind and angers me as I feel people who sell their products feel even more entitled to give you a weak product and charge you for upgrades later.  If I'm going to look for an apartment I don't want to pay 500 a month because the landlord tells me it's ready to go and then I find that there's no hot water running and he/she tells me hot running water is an extra 200.  Or go to a car dealership and pay thousands of dollars for a car and then get told that I'll need to call a tow truck to get it off the lot or pay an extra 4k for an engine and the keys to start the car.  It's called the bait-and-switch and for some reason we have foolishly accepted this philosophy and have not called service providers (whatever service they may be soliciting) on the mat for unfair practices.

I call it boot licking because I really don't know any other way  to describe it.     Two days ago a poster said the EXACT same thing, that he wishes he could have bought ME2 twice and even more if he could.   When I called him out on it he got all self-righteous about it.

Don't these people understand that a game developer NEEDS constructive criticism?  Don't they also understand that THIS isn't just the proper place for it, it's the ONLY place for it?

But so many are only interested in crushing any suggestion or discussion that isn't declaing ME2 as the greatest RPG ever made. 

I sometimes wonder how people would feel if Deep RPG fans suddenly showed up at the forum of a studio developing the latest First Person Shooter and started DEMANDING that the behind the gun  formula (that works for FPS' btw) be thrown out in favor of something more appealing to RPG fans.

What if RPG fans asked that the action in FPS' be slowed down to reflect a more character driven story?  That there be a greater emphasis on character building and less on gunplay?  That the gameplay mechanics should reflect a more thoughtful and strategic approach instead of the reactionary combat that typifies FPS'?  Oh and the repetitive enemy spawning of FPS' should be replaced with the repetitive grinding of RPGs because they would think that grinding is better than spawning. lol

They would add one more thing,  throw away the behind the gun perspective and it's simpler UI and employ inventory for weapons, ammo and armor.    And after all of those changes, declare that it's STILL a First Person Shooter  and tell FPS fans to stop complaining about it and like it.

How do you think FPS fans would respond to something like this?

-would they lay down and accept it?
-offer no rebuttle?
-allow other forum members to crush any discussion on it?
-sit in silence while RPG fans declared the FPS genre dead unless it changes?
-listen to RPG fans stereotype all FPS gamers as dumb button mashers (the RPG geek/numbers crunching  comments in reverse)

Or would they do what forum members like myself and others here have done, make the case for RPG games and why role playing elements work for this genre and are worthy to preserved in whatever new directions developers decide to take them?

If that's the case, why does everyone expect RPG fans to capitulate?

[haberman13]

^ excellent point and analogy



After reading more and more threads here and on DA2 forum I have concluded that most people just want simple FPS games.



Someone complained that it was too hard to understand the weapon system in ME1, which to me was just about the easiest gear system I've ever dealt with.



Different strokes, and some people that have literally had strokes.

[haberman13]

^ also, core-FPS gamers don't know what "capitulate" means, please, dumb down.

[William Adama]

theelementslayer wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

William Adama wrote...

Mass effect 2 Plot Analysis:

Part 1:

Smudboy promotes himself enough, thanks.<_<

You think William Adama and Smudboy are the same?

Sorry to disappoint, but we aren't. =)

I stumbled across this 6 parter and every plot observation he makes explains the vacuum of a story this game had. He really gets into the meat of it in part 2 and so on, part 1 is a teaser.

[Il Divo]

Halo Quea wrote...

I call it boot licking because I really don't know any other way  to describe it.     Two days ago a poster said the EXACT same thing, that he wishes he could have bought ME2 twice and even more if he could.   When I called him out on it he got all self-righteous about it.

Don't these people understand that a game developer NEEDS constructive criticism?  Don't they also understand that THIS isn't just the proper place for it, it's the ONLY place for it?

But so many are only interested in crushing any suggestion or discussion that isn't declaing ME2 as the greatest RPG ever made. 

I sometimes wonder how people would feel if Deep RPG fans suddenly showed up at the forum of a studio developing the latest First Person Shooter and started DEMANDING that the behind the gun  formula (that works for FPS' btw) be thrown out in favor of something more appealing to RPG fans.

What if RPG fans asked that the action in FPS' be slowed down to reflect a more character driven story?  That there be a greater emphasis on character building and less on gunplay?  That the gameplay mechanics should reflect a more thoughtful and strategic approach instead of the reactionary combat that typifies FPS'?  Oh and the repetitive enemy spawning of FPS' should be replaced with the repetitive grinding of RPGs because they would think that grinding is better than spawning. lol

I don't want the criticisms to stop. These forums would become incredibly dull if all we did was praise the game, and constructive criticism always helps. But I want all these comments to stop: all your bolded words. They imply that either you are an RPG fan or a shooter fan. Can't I be both? Am I not allowed to enjoy Mass Effect 2 as an RPG, even if you do not? I consider Mass Effect 2 to be deep. Others disagree. I don't consider you any more or less an RPG fan than I do myself. I expect similar treatment, even if you disagree with what I say. I may call you out on something I think is difficult to prove, but I will never insinuate that you are less of a fan than myself.

Modifié par Il Divo, 10 août 2010 - 02:45 .

[Whatever42]

Just a note: I was the boot-licker and I meant to say that I would pay twice as much for a game that gave me albsolutely everything I wanted - basically what I asked for above . Not that I would pay twice as much for ME2.



Just to set the record straight. I have made plenty of posts agreeing that there could be improvements. ME2 is far from my perfect game. I simply object to condescending posters like you who insults everyone who disagrees with you. I have been an RPG gamer since the Gold Box series, I played table top DnD for years, and I haven't finished a single shooter in my life.



I have no idea why you're so defensive and think of this as some sort of war. As I've said before, I play other genres, such as strategy games, which have a wide variety of styles, from heavy micromanagement to heavy action and I have never seen the kind of juvenile rage exhibited by some RPG fans. These boards aren't unique, of course. I've seen it on Bethesda boards and WoW boards, but I've seen some posters here that would put the trolls there to shame.



Well, ok, maybe not the warcraft boards...

[Il Divo]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Well, ok, maybe not the warcraft boards...

There's nothing quite like the Warcraft boards in terms of criticism.

[Halo Quea]

Il Divo wrote...

Halo Quea wrote...

I call it boot licking because I really don't know any other way  to describe it.     Two days ago a poster said the EXACT same thing, that he wishes he could have bought ME2 twice and even more if he could.   When I called him out on it he got all self-righteous about it.

Don't these people understand that a game developer NEEDS constructive criticism?  Don't they also understand that THIS isn't just the proper place for it, it's the ONLY place for it?

But so many are only interested in crushing any suggestion or discussion that isn't declaing ME2 as the greatest RPG ever made. 

I sometimes wonder how people would feel if Deep RPG fans suddenly showed up at the forum of a studio developing the latest First Person Shooter and started DEMANDING that the behind the gun  formula (that works for FPS' btw) be thrown out in favor of something more appealing to RPG fans.

What if RPG fans asked that the action in FPS' be slowed down to reflect a more character driven story?  That there be a greater emphasis on character building and less on gunplay?  That the gameplay mechanics should reflect a more thoughtful and strategic approach instead of the reactionary combat that typifies FPS'?  Oh and the repetitive enemy spawning of FPS' should be replaced with the repetitive grinding of RPGs because they would think that grinding is better than spawning. lol

I don't want the criticisms to stop. These forums would become incredibly dull if all we did was praise the game, and constructive criticism always helps. But I want all these comments to stop: all your bolded words. They imply that either you are an RPG fan or a shooter fan. Can't I be both? Am I not allowed to enjoy Mass Effect 2 as an RPG, even if you do not? I consider Mass Effect 2 to be deep. Others disagree. I don't consider you any more or less an RPG fan than I do myself. I expect similar treatment, even if you disagree with what I say. I may call you out on something I think is difficult to prove, but I will never insinuate that you are less of a fan than myself.

I can respect that II Divo, my main gripe is being constantly told that the RPG formula must be thrown out  when it is a system of elements that works quite well for this genre.