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[uberdowzen]

SkullandBonesmember wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

But it has no more combat than ME1.

Yes. It. Does.

I don't agree but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

I think the problem with your argument is that BW can't have lots of companions with lots of dialogue, you have to choose one or the other and gameplay wise more companions is on the whole more interesting than the dialogue (which I suspect the majority of people skipped anyway).

Don't get me wrong if BW could bring back things like inventory and extra dialogue without taking away from the action and story, I'd be all for it. For me though, if there is no way of bringing back the inventory without ruining the action, then keep it the way it is.

[uberdowzen]

Also I really wish people would stop using the argument that they've seen lots of people on the forums who agree with them. Firstly, people are probably going to forums where they will find people who agree with the and secondly, remember that "The people who didn't like the game are on the forums complaining, the people who did like the game are playing it."

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

Also I really wish people would stop using the argument that they've seen lots of people on the forums who agree with them. Firstly, people are probably going to forums where they will find people who agree with the and secondly, remember that "The people who didn't like the game are on the forums complaining, the people who did like the game are playing it."

The people that didn't like the game, didn't buy the game.
People that like the game; using your logic in the confined meaning of like. The ones that like it are still on boards talking about it, looking for Bioware updates, adding to fan threads, making/reviewing build threads, etc..

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

The people that didn't like the game, didn't buy the game.

That makes no sense. If you bought ME2 you (going by your logic) must have liked it.

TJSolo wrote...

People that like the game; using your logic in the confined meaning of like. The ones that like it are still on boards talking about it, looking for Bioware updates, adding to fan threads, making/reviewing build threads, etc..

Also, this isn't my logic, this is the logic of many respected game journalists.

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

That makes no sense. If you bought ME2 you (going by your logic) must have liked it.

Your extrapolation makes no sense. You're leading my statement to unintended grounds.

Also, this isn't my logic, this is the logic of many respected game journalists.

Journalists, logic...does not compute.
People that like the game are all around doing things posting on boards, working, playing it, and some other things that can't be explicitly mentioned.

[Dudeman315]

Ignore this.

Modifié par Dudeman315, 28 avril 2010 - 11:09 .

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

That makes no sense. If you bought ME2 you (going by your logic) must have liked it.

Your extrapolation makes no sense. You're leading my statement to unintended grounds.

How does it not make sense? If you didn't like the game you didn't buy it, if you did like it you did buy it.

[javierabegazo]

not true really, many people bought the game, played the game, and THEN forumated their own opinions on the game, the only true way to come to a decision.

[Kusy]

uberdowzen wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

That makes no sense. If you bought ME2 you (going by your logic) must have liked it.

Your extrapolation makes no sense. You're leading my statement to unintended grounds.

How does it not make sense? If you didn't like the game you didn't buy it, if you did like it you did buy it.

How does THIS makes sense? You liked the game even tho you never played it - so you decided to buy it?

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 29 avril 2010 - 12:31 .

[uberdowzen]

Dear God, how did this debate even start. I didn't start that crazy logic. You didn't buy the game because a) you have no interest or you can't afford it right now or similar. You have to buy the game to know if you'll like it or not. If you read my earlier posts you will have notice that I was pointing out that this makes no sense. In my last post I was pointing out how TJSolo's logic doesn't work.

[Kusy]

Hmm... k, makes sense to me.

[Kileyan]

I liked ME2 a lot, but it could have been better. I won't go into every little thing I didn't like, I will boil it down to one statement. What was wrong with ME2 was the heavy handed fixing of what was wrong with ME1. Anything that was complained about wasn't tuned, it was just removed completely.

[beowulf02195]

After reading everything so far, I don't think any further posting is necessary.I agree in most ways with Kileyan. Let's hope ME3 isn't so overly fixed. Maybe even retro-fitted with ME1 features we miss.

[Carfaxabby]

loved mass effect 2 however i was fairly disapointed with the main plot i thought the first one had a stronger story but this said the companion missions and story behind some of the characters that joiin you was quite well done and often memeorable . I did find my self a bit disapointed with how easily shepard seemed to over look cerberus prior actions not to mention how the setting seemed to make cerberus out to be the good guys... dispite being a bunch of terrorists. There were a few oddies i did notice though that I noticed from the first game. Like Liara having eye brows while other asari do not. theres quite a few smaller plot hot and design issues i noticed. But over all i wasnt completely disapointed and really enjoyed my experience with mass effect 2

this being said shepard still felt like a cop to me opposed to being a secret agent...

and recommended it to quite a few co workers and friends.

[SkullandBonesmember]

iakus wrote...

Palidine_0225 wrote...

Put simply I buy Bioware games for the story not some ground breaking gameplay. I buy Valve, id Software, and Epic if I want to see some new earth-shattering combat in a game.

This

I can forgive a lot in a game when it has a gripping story to tell.  Unfortunately, when the story's weak, I start to notice the other imperfections, like how the crew of the Normandy's dressed like a soccer team, how all the missions are pretty much the same, how disconnected from ME1 this "sequel" is.  How you really only need half your recruits for the suicide mission.  Next thing you know you've reinstalled BG2 and having a blast.

Speaking hypothetically of course

Agreed with everything you both said.

Two games that come to mind with various problems but the story makes up for it is Final Fantasy X and Shadow Of Destiny.

uberdowzen wrote...

I think the problem with your argument is that BW can't have lots of companions with lots of dialogue, you have to choose one or the other and gameplay wise more companions is on the whole more interesting than the dialogue (which I suspect the majority of people skipped anyway).

What's the point in having more companions if you can't chat with them? Just for more ways to kill any enemy? As Shepard would say, fun fun.

And if you're not interested in milking dialogue for all they're worth, just play one of the plethora of shooters that don't focus on dialogue and leave what little games like Mass Effect story driven fans love alone.

[Brako Shepard]

Where does all this 'ME had more team coversations' come from? Aside from Garrus, there is a hell of a lot more team conversations for each character, plus the fact that there is more of them.



The only reason I can think people though ME had more conversations, is because what you ask them the first time is there the next 50 times you try to see if they have anything new.

[Gundar3]

uberdowzen wrote...

And if you're not interested in milking dialogue for all they're worth, just play one of the plethora of shooters that don't focus on dialogue and leave what little games like Mass Effect story driven fans love alone.

This.

[SkullandBonesmember]

Brako Shepard wrote...

Where does all this 'ME had more team coversations' come from? Aside from Garrus, there is a hell of a lot more team conversations for each character, plus the fact that there is more of them.

The only reason I can think people though ME had more conversations, is because what you ask them the first time is there the next 50 times you try to see if they have anything new.

<_< <_<

Freaking ratio.

Gundar3 wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

And if you're not interested in milking dialogue for all they're worth, just play one of the plethora of shooters that don't focus on dialogue and leave what little games like Mass Effect story driven fans love alone.

This.

You might want to edit that. 

[Dudeman315]

Team conversations may also mean garrus talking tali, tali talking to wrex, etc. interaction between teammates that doesn't involve dialog from shepard.

[javierabegazo]

Brako Shepard wrote...

Where does all this 'ME had more team coversations' come from? Aside from Garrus, there is a hell of a lot more team conversations for each character, plus the fact that there is more of them.

The only reason I can think people though ME had more conversations, is because what you ask them the first time is there the next 50 times you try to see if they have anything new.

Exactly.

And especially when it comes to events in the actual story.
Back in ME1, your companians barely commented at all. In ME2, there are radical differences. Bringing Grunt and Garrus to recruit Mordin will bring much more dialog than bringing humans, and bringing Zaeed and Grunt to recruit Garrus will also net you extra bits of dialog.

Compare the audio files of ME1 and ME2 from the squadmates, you'll see for yourself that there are much more lines of dialog from the squad in ME2 than in ME1.

[Brako Shepard]

Good man.



This why I love replaying Mass Effect games, expecially ME2. There is always something new on your next playthrough. Even if its just the odd line of text, it still puts a nice smile on your face when you see something new.

[javierabegazo]

Brako Shepard wrote...

Good man.

This why I love replaying Mass Effect games, expecially ME2. There is always something new on your next playthrough. Even if its just the odd line of text, it still puts a nice smile on your face when you see something new.

Yeah, I was so shocked when I found out that bringing Zaeed to the Blue Suns Commander in Garrus' recruit mission yeilded dialog.

Also, when you go to Horizen with Garrus or Tali, you'll also get extra dialog. I don't think we're giving credit where credit is due

[SkullandBonesmember]

javierabegazo wrote...

Also, when you go to Horizen with Garrus or Tali, you'll also get extra dialog. I don't think we're giving credit where credit is due

I've acknowledged that there are a few good aspects to ME2, but all those good aspects are from a handful of heartfelt moments and funny dialogue.

[Kusy]

Anyways - on the toppic of being disappointed with Mass Effect 2. I'm not disappointed about the game, only about the poor/bad marketing it had.



Rubbish actionfigures, "epic community events", oversized hype before the launch, exclusive DLC policy that hurts legit players while prising pirates.



Those things of course couldn't spoil the game itself, but it pretty much spoiled the atmoshphere around it.

[uberdowzen]

SkullandBonemember wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

I think the problem with your argument is that BW can't have lots of companions with lots of dialogue, you have to choose one or the other and gameplay wise more companions is on the whole more interesting than the dialogue (which I suspect the majority of people skipped anyway).

What's the point in having more companions if you can't chat with them? Just for more ways to kill any enemy? As Shepard would say, fun fun.

And if you're not interested in milking dialogue for all they're worth, just play one of the plethora of shooters that don't focus on dialogue and leave what little games like Mass Effect story driven fans love alone.

So wait, is your sole problem with ME2 is that there aren't enough companion conversations around the Normandy?

Modifié par uberdowzen, 29 avril 2010 - 03:51 .