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[haberman13]

The idea that people would argue about the EA-effect is laughable. EA has proven time and again that they will destroy and absorb talent into their collective.

We need Picard to assimilate and destroy them from the inside!

EA wants to sell the maximum number of copies (obviously) which means strip out everything that turns the MW2 crowd off, and retain just enough of the original design to keep us here, how else can they "sell 10 million copies".

I have a feeling ME3 will do worse than ME2.  The MW2 crowd who bought into the hype and then realized they didn't like the game won't get ME3, and the ME1 fans are becomming more and more disillusioned... leaving the ME2 fans as their new "base".  I WILL buy ME3 regardless, but I also will wait for a Steam sale at ~$20.

My PC gaming friends won't play it, ME2 is their new moniker of "dumbed down gaming", which I agree with; but want to see the story play out.  (what is left of it at least, since ME1 is now irrelevant storywise)

Modifié par haberman13, 17 août 2010 - 08:21 .

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...
]There is no 'subjectivity' in this, there are no opinions. Filetemo is straight up telling Bioware that somehow this character [Shepard] is just as much the fans' property as it is Bioware's. Legally, that's 100% untrue and Woo's response is very appropriate. It doesn't matter how much you love the character. It doesn't matter if Mass Effect is your favorite franchise in the world. That character is not your property unless Bioware sells him to you. Your 'ownership' doesn't extend any farther than deciding for yourself what is or isn't cannon which is the case with Star Wars, Batman, or any super hero comic.

Absolutely true.

However...

Fans do have the right to be extremely unhappy if they felt the character (or franchise) they had gotten to know and love is misused or taken in the wrong direction.  Anyone remember/familiar with the uproar over the Spider-man "One More Day" arc?  Yeah, ME 2 was my personal "One More Day"

In the end, there is nothing we can do to stop, or facilitate, changes to the Mass Effect franchise.  We can talk, and hope they turn away from the Dark Side before it's too late.  but Bioware doesn't have to listen.  All we can do then is vote with our wallets.  If you don't like the latest iteration of Batman, you can be angry about it, but you don't have to buy the comic.  Find another comic you do like.  If you don't like the latest game in a franchise, don't purchase it.  Find a company that is more to your liking (or take real good care of the games you do own).  You may never find something quite the same, but if the writer/developer truly no longer wants your patronage, what can you do but find one that does?  If all else fails, we always have the option to walk away, however painful a choice that is.

So, I'll say right now if ME 3 isn't to my liking, I'll be angry. refuse to purchase it, toss my ME 2 discs in the microwave, and pretend ME 1 is a standalone game.  Bioware can just hope the new fans they bring in offsets the old fans they lost.

Okay the microwave bit is an exageration (probably) 

[haberman13]

No, the microwave bit would probably satiate the nerd rage I feel.



ME as a trilogy is doomed, the writing is on the wall. This is the equivalent of the Spiderman movies, 1 was great and unique at the time, 2 was OK, 3 was an abomination.

[Iakus]

haberman13 wrote...

I have a feeling ME3 will do worse than ME2.  The MW2 crowd who bought into the hype and then realized they didn't like the game won't get ME3, and the ME1 fans are becomming more and more disillusioned... leaving the ME2 fans as their new "base".  I WILL buy ME3 regardless, but I also will wait for a Steam sale at ~$20.

Dangit, you're right, I will have to see how it ends.  Well, maybe I could get it used, play it once, then into the microwave...

Modifié par iakus, 17 août 2010 - 08:28 .

[bjdbwea]

haberman13 wrote...

My PC gaming friends won't play it, ME2 is their new moniker of "dumbed down gaming", which I agree with; but want to see the story play out.  (what is left of it at least, since ME1 is now irrelevant storywise)

There's still the Wiki, YouTube... Easy way to get to know the story bits in DLCs too.

[Fanbus]

I'm on the same boat. Actually it was hard for me to even finish ME2, but I got through it. I never finished NWN2 (Obsidian I know).

Going to spoiler the entire game before I decide to buy it or not. If I do decide to buy it, I'll wait until I can get it for less than $25 like I did ME2.

And, what's MW? I keep reading references to MW2.

Modifié par Fanbus, 17 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[haberman13]

bjdbwea wrote...

haberman13 wrote...

My PC gaming friends won't play it, ME2 is their new moniker of "dumbed down gaming", which I agree with; but want to see the story play out.  (what is left of it at least, since ME1 is now irrelevant storywise)

There's still the Wiki, YouTube... Easy way to get to know the story bits in DLCs too.

Haha, very true.  I like Bioware still, they did just release DA:O which I found to be awesome, so I'm fine with supporting them still.

Now, if DA2 goes the way of ME2 ... after the universe implodes on itself, I will stop being a Bioware fan and become a Bioware skeptic!

There still is the remote possibility that ME3 won't be further simplified and stripped, so I'm holding out on that hope.

That said, it will be hard to get 10 million sales if the game takes more than 3 IQ to play.

[haberman13]

Fanbus wrote...

I'm on the same boat. Actually it was hard for me to even finish ME2, but I got through it. I never finished NWN2 (Obsidian I know).

Going to spoiler the entire game before I decide to buy it or not. If I do decide to buy it, I'll wait until I can get it for less than $25 like I did ME2.

Another reason to buy:  seeing ME1/2/3 in your Steam games list!

It just wouldn't feel complete without it, even if I never finish it ... I quit ME2 on the last boss lol.  It was hard getting through the sea of half walls and corridor levels, I don't know how the XBOX gamers deal with combat like this, its very dull.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

Fans do have the right to be extremely unhappy if they felt the character (or franchise) they had gotten to know and love is misused or taken in the wrong direction.  Anyone remember/familiar with the uproar over the Spider-man "One More Day" arc?  Yeah, ME 2 was my personal "One More Day"

Which is all well and good. As fans, we have the right to complain. I however object to pulling out random statements by Bioware without context simply to make them look the part of the Devil. You should understand the sensation given how one of your own posts was pulled without context from a different thread (when we both knew what you were intending to convey). It's not fair and sends entirely the wrong message, especially when you add a supplemental statement of any kind.   

So, I'll say right now if ME 3 isn't to my liking, I'll be angry. refuse to purchase it, toss my ME 2 discs in the microwave, and pretend ME 1 is a standalone game.  Bioware can just hope the new fans they bring in offsets the old fans they lost.
Okay the microwave bit is an exageration (probably) 

And this is a position I can respect. I have been in this position myself at times. For both of our sakes, I hope we can love Mass Effect 3, but this is very different from what some here are claiming. Woo's post was directed at a very specific user for making a very specific, inflammatory claim: "Fans own Commander Shepard as much as Bioware does", more or less. Woo responded and for the most part his response was eloquent, with a sharp edge directed at the idea that fans own any part of the franchise they buy into. I personally respect him for that post and don't understand how anyone can blame him for his response in that instance. If someone told me that something which is (legally) my own is not in fact my own, I would have quite a bit to explain to him on that point

Modifié par Il Divo, 17 août 2010 - 09:06 .

[Max Legend]

haberman13 wrote...
That said, it will be hard to get 10 million sales if the game takes more than 3 IQ to play.

Thats how much it took me to beat Mass effect 1.I prefer Prince of Persia:Warrior within over casualised ME1/2 any time of the day in terms of challenging gameplay.

[Il Divo]

Max Legend wrote...

Thats how much it took me to beat Mass effect 1.I prefer Prince of Persia:Warrior within over casualised ME1/2 any time of the day in terms of challenging gameplay.

Ah, a fellow Prince of Persia fan! Despite some other issues, I will definitely say that of the 3 games Warrior Within by far had the most thought-provoking gameplay. I would actually say that the trilogy does require more thought to play than Mass Effect 1 and 2. In many ways, I would actually say some platformers (Super Mario) require more thought than certain rpgs.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 17 août 2010 - 09:05 .

[Max Legend]

Il Divo wrote...

Max Legend wrote...

Thats how much it took me to beat Mass effect 1.I prefer Prince of Persia:Warrior within over casualised ME1/2 any time of the day in terms of challenging gameplay.

Ah, a fellow Prince of Persia fan! Despite some other issues, I will definitely say that of the 3 games Warrior Within by far had the most thought-provoking gameplay. I would actually say that the trilogy does require more thought to play than Mass Effect 1 and 2.

I never thought I'd find a POP fan here!*BROFIST*

[VanTesla]

Good game that should be bought to support but compared to the character depth and story of ME1 it falls short.

The Citadel inhabitants feel less real and more robotic, side missions feel less memorable, Me1 to ME2 transfer does not work correctly in certain missions, character clipping on characters like Rex, characters feel not as connected as some where in ME1 like Liara drastic change, combate buggs with team upgrades, low amount of customization, and DLC character outfits/weapons that cost money.

Modifié par VanTesla, 17 août 2010 - 09:13 .

[Sparda Stonerule]

Any RPG I've ever played feels like I'm taking a nap compared to Ninja Gaiden 2 on Master Ninja Mode. Heck even the lowest difficulty in that game has killed me more times than all of my playthroughs of either Mass Effect game. Although I don't think I got wiped out at all in Dragon Quest 8 or Lost Odyssey my second time through those games, but a game like Kingdom Hearts 2 still kills me at times on Proud Mode.



Actually in my opinion most traditional RPG's aren't very hard. RTS's or (god help me) RTS RPG's really annihilate me because I probably don't quite understand how those battles should play out.



Ok that was an odd tangent. Like I said you guys are free to be concerned. I however was a fan of ME 2 and I enjoyed what they did with the game. I wish you guys would stop saying things like the franchise is doomed, and that Bioware is an utter sellout. But you are always free to voice your opinions, it just feels like a bit of a generalization that someone makes when a company does something that they disapprove of.

[Il Divo]

Max Legend wrote...


I never thought I'd find a POP fan here!*BROFIST*

Booyah. Let some say what they will, I personally thought the trilogy overall was a great time, good story and immensely fun gameplay.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Max Legend wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Max Legend wrote...

Thats how much it took me to beat Mass effect 1.I prefer Prince of Persia:Warrior within over casualised ME1/2 any time of the day in terms of challenging gameplay.

Ah, a fellow Prince of Persia fan! Despite some other issues, I will definitely say that of the 3 games Warrior Within by far had the most thought-provoking gameplay. I would actually say that the trilogy does require more thought to play than Mass Effect 1 and 2.

I never thought I'd find a POP fan here!*BROFIST*

Make room for one more. I have the first three games for my PS2 and I replayed them recently. I even liked the one with the guy that wasn't the original prince, just not as much as the first games. Then I was severely disappointed by Forgotten Sands because I think interquels are kind of a bad idea unless they were planned ahead of time.

[Max Legend]

Il Divo wrote...

Max Legend wrote...

Thats how much it took me to beat Mass effect 1.I prefer Prince of Persia:Warrior within over casualised ME1/2 any time of the day in terms of challenging gameplay.

Ah, a fellow Prince of Persia fan! Despite some other issues, I will definitely say that of the 3 games Warrior Within by far had the most thought-provoking gameplay. I would actually say that the trilogy does require more thought to play than Mass Effect 1 and 2. In many ways, I would actually say some platformers (Super Mario) require more thought than certain rpgs.  

Or beating down Caddilacs and dinosaurs with only one coin.

Ah,arcade games.Good times*manly tears*

[Max Legend]

double post my bad

Modifié par Max Legend, 17 août 2010 - 09:23 .

[Il Divo]

I probably would have given Forgotten Sands a chance had there been some reference to the Dahaka. As it was, I thought it was odd that the game takes place before Warrior Within, yet the Prince looks older than he does in Two Thrones. Thankfully, the trilogy stands pretty well, except for maybe Kaileena in Warrior Within. *shudders*

Modifié par Il Divo, 17 août 2010 - 09:27 .

[Max Legend]

Il Divo wrote...

I probably would have given Forgotten Sands a chance had there been some reference to the Dahaka. As it was, I thought it was odd that the game takes place before Warrior Within, yet the Prince looks older than he does in Two Thrones. Thankfully, the trilogy stands pretty well, except for maybe Kaileena in Warrior Within. *shudders*

I on the other hand <3 Kaileena more than Farah but thats just me.And yeah it was bad the dahaka didnt even made an appearance in FS.

[Sparda Stonerule]

Let's not forget his brother. I mean where on EARTH did he come from? I mean really.

[Il Divo]

Well, to be fair, in Sands of Time I think the Prince refers to himself as the "Youngest son of King Sharaman", but overall I agree the brother was a random element.

And don't get me wrong on Kaileena! I thought she was great in Two Thrones; I loved her role, her narrations, etc. I just thought her voice-acting could have done with a bit of work in Warrior Within. She was a great idea for a character on the whole.

Modifié par Il Divo, 17 août 2010 - 09:50 .

[bjdbwea]

That's related to Mass Effect, how?

[Max Legend]

@Il Divo:Kaileena was voiced by Monica Belluci in Warrior within.I'd say thats an extra + for Kai's role.

@bjdbwea:Prince of Persia surpases ME1 and its sequel in terms of challenge,level design,combat and narrative.Mass effect can only dream of becoming a hardcore game that is POP.

Modifié par Max Legend, 17 août 2010 - 10:18 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

One thing that happened in which I never got in any game I played yet ---

I have to say, when I met Ashley Williams again on that one coloy ( forgot the name) and she blatantly called Shepard a frankenstien monster by many ways then walked off with her speil about Cerberus and the Alliance

I don' t know about anyone else, but I wanted to back hand her into one of those cargo crates. I have to say, that pissed me off royally and although I didn't pick her as my character's mate, I made damn sure she was maxed out with the best armor, weapons, and maxed stats because she was one of my hole punchers for nasty shoot outs.  What was that all about?  You would think she would have been more understanding but instead she just gave Shepard the finger.

What a @#$@#$.

Plus that old Mass Effect background song put the mood to the test too. ( Good on Bio Ware)

Also... Liara's transition from the bright eyed scientist who was into the Protheon's past to this number-crunching agent woman with a huge 50 lb weight on her shoulder.  It wasn't until I pried into some of my fellow fan's research that I got the story about the Shadow Broker, his body being sold and Cerberus.

This leads me to a crucial question.  I am wondering just how loyal  Miranda wil be in ME3.  Perhaps the experince of fighting along side Shepard may have changed her mind but she's still a Cereberus Agent.   Of course you have the choice of picking someone else as your new " mate" --- or maybe just not picking anyone --- but what would have been the fun in that not to mention less Paragon points.

I just think they should have given you better a better sense of what to do by including Liara in ME2. Now your left to guess -- and anyone's guess is good at this point.

Thoughts?