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[ExtremeOne]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

The semantics as to whether these elements were "RPG" or "roleplaying" ones (or whatever) aside, that doesn't escape the fact that (as a whole) the game was more simplified and stripped down and we lost a lot of stuff that a lot of fans liked in the process. I wouldn't necessarily call the planet exploration a strictly RPG-element either, but seeing as this is a sci-fi game and seeing how exploration was one of the big selling factors of the original, it greatly disappoints me that it's now gone almost entirely in the sequel.

It doesn't matter what kind of element it is, it's gone and it's missed and the game has become shallower and lesser for it, IMO. The same goes with weapons being simplified and made linear without any customisation. Same goes for armour no longer acting like armour, and the loss of omni-tools and biotic amps. Same with a lack of dialogue from squaddies and a lack of polish and presentation with the N7 missions. The same goes for a lot of things. They don't necessarily need to be considered as RPG elements to be missed, just because a lot of them are considered as such and are missed primarily by RPG fans. There's no rule that says "this has to be an RPG element to be worthy of consideration" or anything like that.

And that's not even going into the fact that there are action and shooter games out there that actually have better customisation and a better weapons system with decent upgrades, etc. than ME2 does. So making the game more of a shooter isn't even an excuse for such a weak, linear and ******-poor system as ME2's.

  


EA has to make games for everyone. I am so sick of people whining about the game got nerfed. the days of the video game industry being for the ultra hardcore are over. Mass Effect 1 might have sold well but Gears 1 and 2 and Halo 3 all sold much better. Mass Effect 1 was a niche title with a lot of problems. so yeah EA fixed the mistakes and made a better game in Mass Effect 2. If you do not like what a developer did then do not play it but to sit here and whine and b*tch about oh Mass Effect 2 is not the same as ME 1 is pathetic because Mass Effect 2  got me into the franchise because of its game play.   

This is the problem, there are many people who welcome the changes me2 brought as there are people that don't. Mass Effect has a broken fanbase.

   


No the problem is too many gamers now days want all developers and publishers to be slaves to them. EA and Bioware made it very clear that ME 2 was going to be different but that was not good enough. the fan base is only broken because too many people hold Mass Effect 1 up as some kind of f**king god. when in the brute honest truth was a big piece of garbage from a game play and graphics stand point. and even further the characters from ME 1 are treated as gods. once people decide to wake the hell up and see Mass Effect 1 as what is and thats a decent video game then maybe the fanbase would not be so broken.  People on this forum need to stop worshiping Mass Effect 1 as if it was the almighty god of gaming. EA as a company has a right to make their games for everyone and if that means making Mass Effect more appealing to all gamers then they need to do that. Oh and you as a gamer have a choice not to buy the game or buy the game. EA did the right thing 

How the hell are the characters hled high? Liara, Ash and Kai fans got screwed so hard it was not funny, I am one of the few Liara/Ash fan who prefers ME2 but what ME2 did with those characters, stripping away customization on weapons, squadmembers and a crappy story is disgusting and uncalled for. Face it, not everyone likes ME2, it's there opinion and as a customer they have the right to voice there concerns when Bioware decides to change there orginal plan for newcomers.

  


Oh I forgot Video games are not ruled by fans its a business and EA is in the business of making games for everyone. This idea that games are not for everyone needs to die. well thats tough sh*t you can not deal with Mass Effect being made for new comers as well. 

The problem with games being made for everyone, is that not everyone plays games... and the people that arent super core and do play games, dont play games like Mass Effect.

So the whole concept of making a game, playabe to people who would never touch it in the first place, is complete and total idiocracy to me. It makes no sense.

Its like making Wii Game's incredibly violent, when the targeted audience is for kids. Sure they have No More Heroes, but how many kids can actually tell you that they played No More Heroes. The Wii is intended for a certain audience, as was Mass Effect, and conforming to make it accesible to an audience that wont play it, only makes it suffer for those that do play it.

 


so you are saying that EA has no right to make Mass Effect appealing to new comers. Its people like you who need to deal with the fact games are main stream and with that comes changes to all games . 

Not all game companies did what Biware did. GoW3 was not mainstream, Bethesda games are not mainstream, FO New Vegas was not mainstream, valve games are not mainstream, blizzard are not, ever since Bioware came to EA, it's been mainstream mainstream mainstream!

  


Oh I am sorry you and the rest can not handle the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the utter disaster that was ME 1's game play and graphics . Bioware was up front and honest about the changes  its not their fault you bought the game. You and the rest want games to fall under the rule of the elitist and no one else has a right to play any games. I think its time people deal with the changes  

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

The semantics as to whether these elements were "RPG" or "roleplaying" ones (or whatever) aside, that doesn't escape the fact that (as a whole) the game was more simplified and stripped down and we lost a lot of stuff that a lot of fans liked in the process. I wouldn't necessarily call the planet exploration a strictly RPG-element either, but seeing as this is a sci-fi game and seeing how exploration was one of the big selling factors of the original, it greatly disappoints me that it's now gone almost entirely in the sequel.

It doesn't matter what kind of element it is, it's gone and it's missed and the game has become shallower and lesser for it, IMO. The same goes with weapons being simplified and made linear without any customisation. Same goes for armour no longer acting like armour, and the loss of omni-tools and biotic amps. Same with a lack of dialogue from squaddies and a lack of polish and presentation with the N7 missions. The same goes for a lot of things. They don't necessarily need to be considered as RPG elements to be missed, just because a lot of them are considered as such and are missed primarily by RPG fans. There's no rule that says "this has to be an RPG element to be worthy of consideration" or anything like that.

And that's not even going into the fact that there are action and shooter games out there that actually have better customisation and a better weapons system with decent upgrades, etc. than ME2 does. So making the game more of a shooter isn't even an excuse for such a weak, linear and ******-poor system as ME2's.

  


EA has to make games for everyone. I am so sick of people whining about the game got nerfed. the days of the video game industry being for the ultra hardcore are over. Mass Effect 1 might have sold well but Gears 1 and 2 and Halo 3 all sold much better. Mass Effect 1 was a niche title with a lot of problems. so yeah EA fixed the mistakes and made a better game in Mass Effect 2. If you do not like what a developer did then do not play it but to sit here and whine and b*tch about oh Mass Effect 2 is not the same as ME 1 is pathetic because Mass Effect 2  got me into the franchise because of its game play.   

This is the problem, there are many people who welcome the changes me2 brought as there are people that don't. Mass Effect has a broken fanbase.

   


No the problem is too many gamers now days want all developers and publishers to be slaves to them. EA and Bioware made it very clear that ME 2 was going to be different but that was not good enough. the fan base is only broken because too many people hold Mass Effect 1 up as some kind of f**king god. when in the brute honest truth was a big piece of garbage from a game play and graphics stand point. and even further the characters from ME 1 are treated as gods. once people decide to wake the hell up and see Mass Effect 1 as what is and thats a decent video game then maybe the fanbase would not be so broken.  People on this forum need to stop worshiping Mass Effect 1 as if it was the almighty god of gaming. EA as a company has a right to make their games for everyone and if that means making Mass Effect more appealing to all gamers then they need to do that. Oh and you as a gamer have a choice not to buy the game or buy the game. EA did the right thing 

How the hell are the characters hled high? Liara, Ash and Kai fans got screwed so hard it was not funny, I am one of the few Liara/Ash fan who prefers ME2 but what ME2 did with those characters, stripping away customization on weapons, squadmembers and a crappy story is disgusting and uncalled for. Face it, not everyone likes ME2, it's there opinion and as a customer they have the right to voice there concerns when Bioware decides to change there orginal plan for newcomers.

  


Oh I forgot Video games are not ruled by fans its a business and EA is in the business of making games for everyone. This idea that games are not for everyone needs to die. well thats tough sh*t you can not deal with Mass Effect being made for new comers as well. 

The problem with games being made for everyone, is that not everyone plays games... and the people that arent super core and do play games, dont play games like Mass Effect.

So the whole concept of making a game, playabe to people who would never touch it in the first place, is complete and total idiocracy to me. It makes no sense.

Its like making Wii Game's incredibly violent, when the targeted audience is for kids. Sure they have No More Heroes, but how many kids can actually tell you that they played No More Heroes. The Wii is intended for a certain audience, as was Mass Effect, and conforming to make it accesible to an audience that wont play it, only makes it suffer for those that do play it.

 


so you are saying that EA has no right to make Mass Effect appealing to new comers. Its people like you who need to deal with the fact games are main stream and with that comes changes to all games . 

Not all game companies did what Biware did. GoW3 was not mainstream, Bethesda games are not mainstream, FO New Vegas was not mainstream, valve games are not mainstream, blizzard are not, ever since Bioware came to EA, it's been mainstream mainstream mainstream!

EXACTLY!

You dont see Gears of War having so much more dialogue and less fighting because people complained they couldnt get to know the characters more.... Epic Games did what Epic Games has always done, make badass games that appeal to the people that THEY KNOW play it.

For all the statistics people throw around in companies higher ups, they know absolutely nothing. The fact remains, that EA is by far, a TERRIBLE publisher, and has ruined so many gaming franchises, because they wont STFU and let the company do what they do.

Its why Mass Effect 2 was not even close to par with the first, Im sure had Bioware still been just Bioware, then Mass Effect 2 would have been something COMPLETELY different, and would be winning more awards than you or any COD or Halo player can shake a stick at, and I can say that, because I used to be a seriously hardcore Halo player.

The first time I picked up Mass Effect, I couldnt stand it, I put it down for about 4 months, and then somehow, I picked it up again, and never stopped playing it. I would play other stuff, but I always found myself coming back to Mass Effect. Sure the leveling system was a little daunting and looked over complex, but once I really set myself to learn everything was to learn about the game, I did just that.

I have over 40 characters in the first game, every class, every branch, every conversation different, every romance done differently, every situation explored.

You know why? 

Not because it was easy to pick up, and it was "accesible"

But because it was so undeniably damned good.

[kraidy1117]

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

[Onyx Jaguar]

O_o

[Arrtis]

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

[kraidy1117]

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

[Ch40sFox]

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

The semantics as to whether these elements were "RPG" or "roleplaying" ones (or whatever) aside, that doesn't escape the fact that (as a whole) the game was more simplified and stripped down and we lost a lot of stuff that a lot of fans liked in the process. I wouldn't necessarily call the planet exploration a strictly RPG-element either, but seeing as this is a sci-fi game and seeing how exploration was one of the big selling factors of the original, it greatly disappoints me that it's now gone almost entirely in the sequel.

It doesn't matter what kind of element it is, it's gone and it's missed and the game has become shallower and lesser for it, IMO. The same goes with weapons being simplified and made linear without any customisation. Same goes for armour no longer acting like armour, and the loss of omni-tools and biotic amps. Same with a lack of dialogue from squaddies and a lack of polish and presentation with the N7 missions. The same goes for a lot of things. They don't necessarily need to be considered as RPG elements to be missed, just because a lot of them are considered as such and are missed primarily by RPG fans. There's no rule that says "this has to be an RPG element to be worthy of consideration" or anything like that.

And that's not even going into the fact that there are action and shooter games out there that actually have better customisation and a better weapons system with decent upgrades, etc. than ME2 does. So making the game more of a shooter isn't even an excuse for such a weak, linear and ******-poor system as ME2's.

  


EA has to make games for everyone. I am so sick of people whining about the game got nerfed. the days of the video game industry being for the ultra hardcore are over. Mass Effect 1 might have sold well but Gears 1 and 2 and Halo 3 all sold much better. Mass Effect 1 was a niche title with a lot of problems. so yeah EA fixed the mistakes and made a better game in Mass Effect 2. If you do not like what a developer did then do not play it but to sit here and whine and b*tch about oh Mass Effect 2 is not the same as ME 1 is pathetic because Mass Effect 2  got me into the franchise because of its game play.   

This is the problem, there are many people who welcome the changes me2 brought as there are people that don't. Mass Effect has a broken fanbase.

   


No the problem is too many gamers now days want all developers and publishers to be slaves to them. EA and Bioware made it very clear that ME 2 was going to be different but that was not good enough. the fan base is only broken because too many people hold Mass Effect 1 up as some kind of f**king god. when in the brute honest truth was a big piece of garbage from a game play and graphics stand point. and even further the characters from ME 1 are treated as gods. once people decide to wake the hell up and see Mass Effect 1 as what is and thats a decent video game then maybe the fanbase would not be so broken.  People on this forum need to stop worshiping Mass Effect 1 as if it was the almighty god of gaming. EA as a company has a right to make their games for everyone and if that means making Mass Effect more appealing to all gamers then they need to do that. Oh and you as a gamer have a choice not to buy the game or buy the game. EA did the right thing 

How the hell are the characters hled high? Liara, Ash and Kai fans got screwed so hard it was not funny, I am one of the few Liara/Ash fan who prefers ME2 but what ME2 did with those characters, stripping away customization on weapons, squadmembers and a crappy story is disgusting and uncalled for. Face it, not everyone likes ME2, it's there opinion and as a customer they have the right to voice there concerns when Bioware decides to change there orginal plan for newcomers.

  


Oh I forgot Video games are not ruled by fans its a business and EA is in the business of making games for everyone. This idea that games are not for everyone needs to die. well thats tough sh*t you can not deal with Mass Effect being made for new comers as well. 

The problem with games being made for everyone, is that not everyone plays games... and the people that arent super core and do play games, dont play games like Mass Effect.

So the whole concept of making a game, playabe to people who would never touch it in the first place, is complete and total idiocracy to me. It makes no sense.

Its like making Wii Game's incredibly violent, when the targeted audience is for kids. Sure they have No More Heroes, but how many kids can actually tell you that they played No More Heroes. The Wii is intended for a certain audience, as was Mass Effect, and conforming to make it accesible to an audience that wont play it, only makes it suffer for those that do play it.

 


so you are saying that EA has no right to make Mass Effect appealing to new comers. Its people like you who need to deal with the fact games are main stream and with that comes changes to all games . 

Not all game companies did what Biware did. GoW3 was not mainstream, Bethesda games are not mainstream, FO New Vegas was not mainstream, valve games are not mainstream, blizzard are not, ever since Bioware came to EA, it's been mainstream mainstream mainstream!

  


Oh I am sorry you and the rest can not handle the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the utter disaster that was ME 1's game play and graphics . Bioware was up front and honest about the changes  its not their fault you bought the game. You and the rest want games to fall under the rule of the elitist and no one else has a right to play any games. I think its time people deal with the changes  

You have this tragically skewed 11 year old version of Elitist gamers..... maybe because in the long run, we know whats better, weve had more experience in situations, and with games going one direction or the other than the "newer" generation has.

There is no Elitist gaming community anymore, just people who happen to really play video games seriously as a habit, and know what they want in a game, and what to expect of a gaming company who has set a bar for themselves.

Not all gaming is about super pretty graphics like Final Fantasy 13, why do you think the craze with JRPG's has gone down SOOOOO far, because at some point, all they did was make pretty games, and screw anything that could actually be called gaming. JRPG's are interactive movies, while WRPG's, thanks to Bioware and the original Mass Effect, are interactive Experiences that actually resonate with you, rather than annoy you to death.

What made Mass Effect so good, was its driven story, and its combat system that really grew on you. That actually allowed you to make more than 2 variants of a class.

In the original, I had at least 14 different versions of an Adept, that all played radically different from each other.

In ME2, I can barely create 2 distinctions between seperate playthroughs, it went from being a unique experience that kept me coming back for me, to an experience that feels completely generic.

[Arrtis]

I found it to be a pleasant surprise...I just bought a new copy.
ALso quit the massive quotes please.

Modifié par Arrtis, 27 août 2010 - 07:39 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Final Fantasy 13?

[ExtremeOne]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

The semantics as to whether these elements were "RPG" or "roleplaying" ones (or whatever) aside, that doesn't escape the fact that (as a whole) the game was more simplified and stripped down and we lost a lot of stuff that a lot of fans liked in the process. I wouldn't necessarily call the planet exploration a strictly RPG-element either, but seeing as this is a sci-fi game and seeing how exploration was one of the big selling factors of the original, it greatly disappoints me that it's now gone almost entirely in the sequel.

It doesn't matter what kind of element it is, it's gone and it's missed and the game has become shallower and lesser for it, IMO. The same goes with weapons being simplified and made linear without any customisation. Same goes for armour no longer acting like armour, and the loss of omni-tools and biotic amps. Same with a lack of dialogue from squaddies and a lack of polish and presentation with the N7 missions. The same goes for a lot of things. They don't necessarily need to be considered as RPG elements to be missed, just because a lot of them are considered as such and are missed primarily by RPG fans. There's no rule that says "this has to be an RPG element to be worthy of consideration" or anything like that.

And that's not even going into the fact that there are action and shooter games out there that actually have better customisation and a better weapons system with decent upgrades, etc. than ME2 does. So making the game more of a shooter isn't even an excuse for such a weak, linear and ******-poor system as ME2's.

  


EA has to make games for everyone. I am so sick of people whining about the game got nerfed. the days of the video game industry being for the ultra hardcore are over. Mass Effect 1 might have sold well but Gears 1 and 2 and Halo 3 all sold much better. Mass Effect 1 was a niche title with a lot of problems. so yeah EA fixed the mistakes and made a better game in Mass Effect 2. If you do not like what a developer did then do not play it but to sit here and whine and b*tch about oh Mass Effect 2 is not the same as ME 1 is pathetic because Mass Effect 2  got me into the franchise because of its game play.   

This is the problem, there are many people who welcome the changes me2 brought as there are people that don't. Mass Effect has a broken fanbase.

   


No the problem is too many gamers now days want all developers and publishers to be slaves to them. EA and Bioware made it very clear that ME 2 was going to be different but that was not good enough. the fan base is only broken because too many people hold Mass Effect 1 up as some kind of f**king god. when in the brute honest truth was a big piece of garbage from a game play and graphics stand point. and even further the characters from ME 1 are treated as gods. once people decide to wake the hell up and see Mass Effect 1 as what is and thats a decent video game then maybe the fanbase would not be so broken.  People on this forum need to stop worshiping Mass Effect 1 as if it was the almighty god of gaming. EA as a company has a right to make their games for everyone and if that means making Mass Effect more appealing to all gamers then they need to do that. Oh and you as a gamer have a choice not to buy the game or buy the game. EA did the right thing 

How the hell are the characters hled high? Liara, Ash and Kai fans got screwed so hard it was not funny, I am one of the few Liara/Ash fan who prefers ME2 but what ME2 did with those characters, stripping away customization on weapons, squadmembers and a crappy story is disgusting and uncalled for. Face it, not everyone likes ME2, it's there opinion and as a customer they have the right to voice there concerns when Bioware decides to change there orginal plan for newcomers.

  


Oh I forgot Video games are not ruled by fans its a business and EA is in the business of making games for everyone. This idea that games are not for everyone needs to die. well thats tough sh*t you can not deal with Mass Effect being made for new comers as well. 

The problem with games being made for everyone, is that not everyone plays games... and the people that arent super core and do play games, dont play games like Mass Effect.

So the whole concept of making a game, playabe to people who would never touch it in the first place, is complete and total idiocracy to me. It makes no sense.

Its like making Wii Game's incredibly violent, when the targeted audience is for kids. Sure they have No More Heroes, but how many kids can actually tell you that they played No More Heroes. The Wii is intended for a certain audience, as was Mass Effect, and conforming to make it accesible to an audience that wont play it, only makes it suffer for those that do play it.

 


so you are saying that EA has no right to make Mass Effect appealing to new comers. Its people like you who need to deal with the fact games are main stream and with that comes changes to all games . 

Not all game companies did what Biware did. GoW3 was not mainstream, Bethesda games are not mainstream, FO New Vegas was not mainstream, valve games are not mainstream, blizzard are not, ever since Bioware came to EA, it's been mainstream mainstream mainstream!

EXACTLY!

You dont see Gears of War having so much more dialogue and less fighting because people complained they couldnt get to know the characters more.... Epic Games did what Epic Games has always done, make badass games that appeal to the people that THEY KNOW play it.

For all the statistics people throw around in companies higher ups, they know absolutely nothing. The fact remains, that EA is by far, a TERRIBLE publisher, and has ruined so many gaming franchises, because they wont STFU and let the company do what they do.

Its why Mass Effect 2 was not even close to par with the first, Im sure had Bioware still been just Bioware, then Mass Effect 2 would have been something COMPLETELY different, and would be winning more awards than you or any COD or Halo player can shake a stick at, and I can say that, because I used to be a seriously hardcore Halo player.

The first time I picked up Mass Effect, I couldnt stand it, I put it down for about 4 months, and then somehow, I picked it up again, and never stopped playing it. I would play other stuff, but I always found myself coming back to Mass Effect. Sure the leveling system was a little daunting and looked over complex, but once I really set myself to learn everything was to learn about the game, I did just that.

I have over 40 characters in the first game, every class, every branch, every conversation different, every romance done differently, every situation explored.

You know why? 

Not because it was easy to pick up, and it was "accesible"

But because it was so undeniably damned good.

  



The Mass Effect 1 game play is complete and utter sh*t. how can a game that says it is a shooter be so ****** poor and plus the graphics in ME 1 suck. ME 1 is not for everyone but EA saw the mistakes of the first game fixed everything in ME 2. Oh and Bioware was completely honest and upfront about that. Epic games has always made shooters they know how to do that. Bioware is now owned by EA its time you and everyone else deal with that. Bioware got destroyed by everyone saying Mass Effect 1's game play sucked. when a game's story is great but the game play is garbage then the game really does suck 

[kraidy1117]

Arrtis wrote...

I found it to be a pleasant surprise...I just bought a new copy.
ALso quit the massive quotes please.

It caused a little uproar on the old forums, and that's proof that bioware will lie to us fans for profit. I don't mind that you got it in the normal editions of the game, but they should have told us at first, they did't until the Collector edtions where sold out.

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't recall the advertisements saying that. Granted I get most of my information from places like IGN and 1UP.com, Kotaku even

[kraidy1117]

Snip your qoutes, Extremeone that's horse crap. No squad customization, crappy story, not being able to mod our weapons=unacceptable from Bioware.

[Ch40sFox]

ExtremeOne wrote...
The Mass Effect 1 game play is complete and utter sh*t. how can a game that says it is a shooter be so ****** poor and plus the graphics in ME 1 suck. ME 1 is not for everyone but EA saw the mistakes of the first game fixed everything in ME 2. Oh and Bioware was completely honest and upfront about that. Epic games has always made shooters they know how to do that. Bioware is now owned by EA its time you and everyone else deal with that. Bioware got destroyed by everyone saying Mass Effect 1's game play sucked. when a game's story is great but the game play is garbage then the game really does suck 

You sound like a 11 year old.... you make no actual valid arguement.

So what if the graphics sucked? The story MORE than made up for it.

The Combat, was EXACTLY where it needed to be... they didnt advertise it as a shooter, they advertised it as an RPG with guns and space exploration.

Mass Effect 2 advertised itself as a melding of the RPG and Shooter genre, and successfully made a less than standard "shooter" experience, with negligible RPG elements to it.

Go hack and "play" COD, and call everyone in the gaming chatroom an "A**hole" and F*g" just to make yourself feel super awesome and skilled.

Because all that Im getting from you, is that exact vibe.

The 11 year old playing Halo, that everyone tells to STFU.

Bioware is known for their incredibly indepth customizable experiences, this, was something that looked like it was made by an entirely different company that had way too many "office" parties.

Modifié par Ch40sFox, 27 août 2010 - 07:48 .

[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
The Mass Effect 1 game play is complete and utter sh*t. how can a game that says it is a shooter be so ****** poor and plus the graphics in ME 1 suck. ME 1 is not for everyone but EA saw the mistakes of the first game fixed everything in ME 2. Oh and Bioware was completely honest and upfront about that. Epic games has always made shooters they know how to do that. Bioware is now owned by EA its time you and everyone else deal with that. Bioware got destroyed by everyone saying Mass Effect 1's game play sucked. when a game's story is great but the game play is garbage then the game really does suck 

You sound like a 11 year old.... you make no actual valid arguement.

So what if the graphics sucked? The story MORE than made up for it.

The Combat, was EXACTLY where it needed to be... they didnt advertise it as a shooter, they advertised it as an RPG with guns and space exploration.

Mass Effect 2 advertised itself as a melding of the RPG and Shooter genre, and successfully made a less than standard "shooter" experience, with negligible RPG elements to it.

Go hack and "play" COD, and call everyone in the gaming chatroom an "A**hole" and F*g" just to make yourself feel super awesome and skilled.

Because all that Im getting from you, is that exact vibe.

The 11 year old playing Halo, that everyone tells to STFU.

My thoughts too. Graphics don't make a game. My three fav games of all time are OoT, SM and BG2. Those games today have crappy grahpics, but guess what? They where amazing becauset he gameplay was strong.

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

Theyve still made no formal apology for it, and I doubt they will.

There's alot of things that the new Bioware "hypes" us up for, and then severely under-delivers. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

Speak for yourself BG2 has great graphics



in fact I prefer Baldur's Gate 1's gameplay over 2. More flexible at times even though it requires you to have a thief in your party.



Also had more tactics.

[Mister Mida]

Now that's a pyramid.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Mister Mida wrote...

Now that's a pyramid.

They must have fixed the stretching somehow

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

My thoughts too. Graphics don't make a game. My three fav games of all time are OoT, SM and BG2. Those games today have crappy grahpics, but guess what? They where amazing becauset he gameplay was strong.

Pick up Skies of Arcadia Legends.... youll seriously thank me.

[Ch40sFox]

Mister Mida wrote...

Now that's a pyramid.

Sorry about that

[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

Theyve still made no formal apology for it, and I doubt they will.

There's alot of things that the new Bioware "hypes" us up for, and then severely under-delivers. 

Don't get me started on the "big commnyuity event."

The point is Extremeone, not everyone likes the changes and Biowaste was not upfront on everything. So stop acting like a 11 year old and grow up.

[ExtremeOne]

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The semantics as to whether these elements were "RPG" or "roleplaying" ones (or whatever) aside, that doesn't escape the fact that (as a whole) the game was more simplified and stripped down and we lost a lot of stuff that a lot of fans liked in the process. I wouldn't necessarily call the planet exploration a strictly RPG-element either, but seeing as this is a sci-fi game and seeing how exploration was one of the big selling factors of the original, it greatly disappoints me that it's now gone almost entirely in the sequel.

It doesn't matter what kind of element it is, it's gone and it's missed and the game has become shallower and lesser for it, IMO. The same goes with weapons being simplified and made linear without any customisation. Same goes for armour no longer acting like armour, and the loss of omni-tools and biotic amps. Same with a lack of dialogue from squaddies and a lack of polish and presentation with the N7 missions. The same goes for a lot of things. They don't necessarily need to be considered as RPG elements to be missed, just because a lot of them are considered as such and are missed primarily by RPG fans. There's no rule that says "this has to be an RPG element to be worthy of consideration" or anything like that.

And that's not even going into the fact that there are action and shooter games out there that actually have better customisation and a better weapons system with decent upgrades, etc. than ME2 does. So making the game more of a shooter isn't even an excuse for such a weak, linear and ******-poor system as ME2's.
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EA has to make games for everyone. I am so sick of people whining about the game got nerfed. the days of the video game industry being for the ultra hardcore are over. Mass Effect 1 might have sold well but Gears 1 and 2 and Halo 3 all sold much better. Mass Effect 1 was a niche title with a lot of problems. so yeah EA fixed the mistakes and made a better game in Mass Effect 2. If you do not like what a developer did then do not play it but to sit here and whine and b*tch about oh Mass Effect 2 is not the same as ME 1 is pathetic because Mass Effect 2  got me into the franchise because of its game play.   
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This is the problem, there are many people who welcome the changes me2 brought as there are people that don't. Mass Effect has a broken fanbase.
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No the problem is too many gamers now days want all developers and publishers to be slaves to them. EA and Bioware made it very clear that ME 2 was going to be different but that was not good enough. the fan base is only broken because too many people hold Mass Effect 1 up as some kind of f**king god. when in the brute honest truth was a big piece of garbage from a game play and graphics stand point. and even further the characters from ME 1 are treated as gods. once people decide to wake the hell up and see Mass Effect 1 as what is and thats a decent video game then maybe the fanbase would not be so broken.  People on this forum need to stop worshiping Mass Effect 1 as if it was the almighty god of gaming. EA as a company has a right to make their games for everyone and if that means making Mass Effect more appealing to all gamers then they need to do that. Oh and you as a gamer have a choice not to buy the game or buy the game. EA did the right thing 
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How the hell are the characters hled high? Liara, Ash and Kai fans got screwed so hard it was not funny, I am one of the few Liara/Ash fan who prefers ME2 but what ME2 did with those characters, stripping away customization on weapons, squadmembers and a crappy story is disgusting and uncalled for. Face it, not everyone likes ME2, it's there opinion and as a customer they have the right to voice there concerns when Bioware decides to change there orginal plan for newcomers.
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Oh I forgot Video games are not ruled by fans its a business and EA is in the business of making games for everyone. This idea that games are not for everyone needs to die. well thats tough sh*t you can not deal with Mass Effect being made for new comers as well. 
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The problem with games being made for everyone, is that not everyone plays games... and the people that arent super core and do play games, dont play games like Mass Effect.

So the whole concept of making a game, playabe to people who would never touch it in the first place, is complete and total idiocracy to me. It makes no sense.

Its like making Wii Game's incredibly violent, when the targeted audience is for kids. Sure they have No More Heroes, but how many kids can actually tell you that they played No More Heroes. The Wii is intended for a certain audience, as was Mass Effect, and conforming to make it accesible to an audience that wont play it, only makes it suffer for those that do play it.

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so you are saying that EA has no right to make Mass Effect appealing to new comers. Its people like you who need to deal with the fact games are main stream and with that comes changes to all games . 
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Not all game companies did what Biware did. GoW3 was not mainstream, Bethesda games are not mainstream, FO New Vegas was not mainstream, valve games are not mainstream, blizzard are not, ever since Bioware came to EA, it's been mainstream mainstream mainstream!

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Oh I am sorry you and the rest can not handle the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the utter disaster that was ME 1's game play and graphics . Bioware was up front and honest about the changes  its not their fault you bought the game. You and the rest want games to fall under the rule of the elitist and no one else has a right to play any games. I think its time people deal with the changes  
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You have this tragically skewed 11 year old version of Elitist gamers..... maybe because in the long run, we know whats better, weve had more experience in situations, and with games going one direction or the other than the "newer" generation has.

There is no Elitist gaming community anymore, just people who happen to really play video games seriously as a habit, and know what they want in a game, and what to expect of a gaming company who has set a bar for themselves.

Not all gaming is about super pretty graphics like Final Fantasy 13, why do you think the craze with JRPG's has gone down SOOOOO far, because at some point, all they did was make pretty games, and screw anything that could actually be called gaming. JRPG's are interactive movies, while WRPG's, thanks to Bioware and the original Mass Effect, are interactive Experiences that actually resonate with you, rather than annoy you to death.

What made Mass Effect so good, was its driven story, and its combat system that really grew on you. That actually allowed you to make more than 2 variants of a class.

In the original, I had at least 14 different versions of an Adept, that all played radically different from each other.

In ME2, I can barely create 2 distinctions between seperate playthroughs, it went from being a unique experience that kept me coming back for me, to an experience that feels completely generic.

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there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.