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[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

My thoughts too. Graphics don't make a game. My three fav games of all time are OoT, SM and BG2. Those games today have crappy grahpics, but guess what? They where amazing becauset he gameplay was strong.

Pick up Skies of Arcadia Legends.... youll seriously thank me.

Played it and I gave it a thumbs up, hell I prefer the older games because they did't care for graphics or markting or mainstream.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I actually agree with Extremeone's last statement



Granted I wouldn't care less if X game sucks however because of it.

[kraidy1117]

Mister Mida wrote...

Now that's a pyramid.

It's wonderful:wizard:

[Onyx Jaguar]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

My thoughts too. Graphics don't make a game. My three fav games of all time are OoT, SM and BG2. Those games today have crappy grahpics, but guess what? They where amazing becauset he gameplay was strong.

Pick up Skies of Arcadia Legends.... youll seriously thank me.

Played it and I gave it a thumbs up, hell I prefer the older games because they did't care for graphics or markting or mainstream.

This statement is not true at all.  Many of the drive of those games were graphic based.

Zelda Ocarina of Time?  Considered great graphically.  

And not concerned with Marketing to mainstream?  The developers of the past were mainly looking to one up each other in marketing, graphics and gameplay systems.

Not that much has changed.

Hell look at Baldur's Gate 2.  It was quite a large step up in graphics.  At the time sure 3D was just breaking in for this genre, but that didn't stop it from bringing up the polish on BG 2.

[ExtremeOne]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

Theyve still made no formal apology for it, and I doubt they will.

There's alot of things that the new Bioware "hypes" us up for, and then severely under-delivers. 

Don't get me started on the "big commnyuity event."

The point is Extremeone, not everyone likes the changes and Biowaste was not upfront on everything. So stop acting like a 11 year old and grow up.

  


thats fine you do not like the changes but you had a choice to either buy the game or not because the changes were known about before the game come out. so what is the real dislike for ME 2. Is it because its not playing the way you want or is it because you and everyone else hates that games are going main stream. 

[Ch40sFox]

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

There is a group of FABRICATED Elitist gamers, made up by the people who really cant "play" video games well; whom blame it on a "group" of people who want seriously hard games that no one can access.

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted? 

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

I dont even see how the first one wasnt Accesible.

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted?



Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

What are you talking about? Both the old ones and the new ones were lauded in the hardcore community because of their gameplay complexities.



I think they are crap, but they are lauded by many.

[Ch40sFox]

ExtremeOne wrote...
thats fine you do not like the changes but you had a choice to either buy the game or not because the changes were known about before the game come out. so what is the real dislike for ME 2. Is it because its not playing the way you want or is it because you and everyone else hates that games are going main stream. 

The features werent known until the a little before 2 months before the game came out.

They explained a few features, and when people expressed worry and panic, they stopped talking about it, and put it on the back burner, even LOCKING topics, so people couldnt discuss the issue anymore.

You really have no idea what youre talking about, youve obviously only been a Bioware fan since Mass Effect 2 came out... and your such a little conformists to "everyone's" opinion, its maddeningly sickening.

[Ch40sFox]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted?

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

What are you talking about? Both the old ones and the new ones were lauded in the hardcore community because of their gameplay complexities.

I think they are crap, but they are lauded by many.

The only people who really accepted the games, were Japanese people, because apparently, games are not allowed to be good, but chores and duties, just like everything else in their society.

[kraidy1117]

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

Theyve still made no formal apology for it, and I doubt they will.

There's alot of things that the new Bioware "hypes" us up for, and then severely under-delivers. 

Don't get me started on the "big commnyuity event."

The point is Extremeone, not everyone likes the changes and Biowaste was not upfront on everything. So stop acting like a 11 year old and grow up.

  


thats fine you do not like the changes but you had a choice to either buy the game or not because the changes were known about before the game come out. so what is the real dislike for ME 2. Is it because its not playing the way you want or is it because you and everyone else hates that games are going main stream. 

In contrast I prefer ME2 but only because the combat and the characters where amazing. Sorry but I like customizing my squad, so do alot of us fans and I don't like seeing Miri runnig around in a stupid outfit. Now there's the craptastic story or how about the lack of modding your weapons. That was not said, they said in the lab you could upgrade your weapons, they did't say how it was, no modding hurts. How about content being cut from the game, ort cut dialog? How about the crap load of import bugs that break imersion. I know, how about Liara,Ash and Kai? There scenes where done soo poorly and now Bioware has the gal to charge us money on something that should have been in the game. There is also so many plotholes that you can ppuit a Reaper through and the romances, ugh the romances where bad, written very bad.

[Ch40sFox]

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

Btw, Extremeone has never even played ME1, so e says on other threads, so, can't exactly speak on the subject, can you?

Which is EXACTLY what I picked up on.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ch40sFox wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted?

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

What are you talking about? Both the old ones and the new ones were lauded in the hardcore community because of their gameplay complexities.

I think they are crap, but they are lauded by many.

The only people who really accepted the games, were Japanese people, because apparently, games are not allowed to be good, but chores and duties, just like everything else in their society.

Yeah and Americans only care about Pretty Graphics

"accepted?"

What you answer for everyone who has played the Ninja Gaiden games?  The first one did well enough in the West OVER THREE VERSIONS.  You'd think we'd get a clue by I dunno the second.  And the Second Ninja Gaiden game didn't do as well but it wasn't a flop

[kraidy1117]

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

Btw, Extremeone has never even played ME1, so e says on other threads, so, can't exactly speak on the subject, can you?

It won't stop him. He can hate ME all he wants, the crux of the matter is ME did things better then ME2 did and that's a fact.

[kraidy1117]

Shavon wrote...

Well, it's hard to stop morons from spewing out ignorance.

As I said in the liara group. Are oyu happy Bioware with your new fans? Fans that think pew pew pew is better then a well written story and choices? I hope you are, if Liara's DLC sucks, you will lose a customer.

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

They didn't fix anything. There's no squad customization no weapon modding, nothing. How the hell is that fixing? They took away alot of options for the shooty fans and it backfired badly. You can go kiss up to Bioware, they didn't tell us the story was going to be a flop, they didn't tell us the poor writing or how Ash,Kai and Liara got a big F U. How about the crappy romances too? No one knew that, hell no one even knew that exploring was very limited. There is alot of things Bioware kept secret so we would buy the game and pre-order. You weren't here, I remember the cerberus network fiasco, Bioware likes to lie to there fans for profit. The old Bioware is dead and replaced by this money hungry company we now have.

I totally saw cerberus network  on their site say we get all DLC for free....turned out to be one big lie.

Nah thats not it. They said pre-order the Collectors edition and get the Cerberus network card. Stores, EA online ect onlyu advertised the network for Collectors edition, then two months before release date after all the pre-orders where for Collectors edtion, Chris comeso ut and says you also get the Cerberus network with new copies of ME2.

I cant tell you how unbelieveably pissed I was... Sure I got a pretty cool case and stuff to go with it, but I mainly bought it for the Cerberus Network Card, which was how it was damned advertised...

Dont even get me started on the bullcrap that was the first games statement on how the game would be highly supported with DLC like the second one is.

Thats one thing they got right with the second, 800% more DLC than the first.

I was pissed off too, I am glad people got it, it's a good edtion and we got osme good stuff for free, but Bioware should have told us in advance, not lie then say two months before. "Hur hur hur, you also get it with the normal edition of the game.

Theyve still made no formal apology for it, and I doubt they will.

There's alot of things that the new Bioware "hypes" us up for, and then severely under-delivers. 

Don't get me started on the "big commnyuity event."

The point is Extremeone, not everyone likes the changes and Biowaste was not upfront on everything. So stop acting like a 11 year old and grow up.

  


thats fine you do not like the changes but you had a choice to either buy the game or not because the changes were known about before the game come out. so what is the real dislike for ME 2. Is it because its not playing the way you want or is it because you and everyone else hates that games are going main stream. 

In contrast I prefer ME2 but only because the combat and the characters where amazing. Sorry but I like customizing my squad, so do alot of us fans and I don't like seeing Miri runnig around in a stupid outfit. Now there's the craptastic story or how about the lack of modding your weapons. That was not said, they said in the lab you could upgrade your weapons, they did't say how it was, no modding hurts. How about content being cut from the game, ort cut dialog? How about the crap load of import bugs that break imersion. I know, how about Liara,Ash and Kai? There scenes where done soo poorly and now Bioware has the gal to charge us money on something that should have been in the game. There is also so many plotholes that you can ppuit a Reaper through and the romances, ugh the romances where bad, written very bad.

The only reason I like Mass Effect 2 any, is because its new, and interesting, Ive been playing the first for almost 3 years straight on and off.

Sure the characters were interesting, VERY interesting.... but alot of what would have made the game EVEN better that SHOULD have carried over from the first, was almost GONE.

Only THREE times do Legion and Tali actually have interaction.

In the first game, it wouldve been CRAZY, the amount of interaction they would have had, infact, I might not have brought them along together, JUST because they would "Quarrel" so much, (lame pun defintiely intended)..

What made me sad, is that each characters combat skills, are a copy of anothers, with a "Unique" power thrown in, which happens to be an Ammo Mod or Skill from the first.

Tali used to actually have distinct uses in the first, now she's just another generic character with amazing backround to her.

The first had passive abilities on agressive abilities, it made leveling interesting, and a multitude of powers, very fulfilling. The second got rid of that, and made it to where having many abilities, is an very, VERY bad thing.

[ExtremeOne]

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

There is a group of FABRICATED Elitist gamers, made up by the people who really cant "play" video games well; whom blame it on a "group" of people who want seriously hard games that no one can access.

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted? 

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

I dont even see how the first one wasnt Accesible.

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

  


well then whats the real problem with Mass Effect 2. so far all i am hearing is this bull sh*T about its not like ME 1. well damn its a new game its not suppose to be the same game. If you are mad thats its more of shooter than a rpg I can agree with that. because playing it makes me think of COD 4 MW 's mp with a really good story added on to it. Bioware made one huge mistake with ME 1 and that was not getting the shooting and biotic combat  straighten out as well the frame rate issue. had they fine turned those 3 games i am sure Mass Effect 2 would have been a extension of that but they had to fix mistakes in ME 1. when a developer shows a game that has shooting combat in it and that combat sucks there is a major problem. as for your comment on the hardcore group is fake thats lie because this forum proved my whole point. you and everyone else can not give a legit reason why you dislike ME 2. so you use the same ol sh*t of its not like ME 1 and thats not fair and further more you do not like that it is now appealing to everyone. you all do not give a sh*t about the franchise . you want to install marshal law on all of us gamers who because of the changes in ME 2 decided to buy it. you people want games to only appeal to you and have your rules in them . 

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Well, it's hard to stop morons from spewing out ignorance.

As I said in the liara group. Are oyu happy Bioware with your new fans? Fans that think pew pew pew is better then a well written story and choices? I hope you are, if Liara's DLC sucks, you will lose a customer.

I dont mind "Pew pew pew" in a game that is supposed to be a "Pew Pew Pew" game.... its exactly why sometimes I just want to play Gears for a bit, just to shoot and destroy things.

But Mass Effect is what I play when I want interesting, indepth, incredibly fun gameplay, not freaking Commander Cheif.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Whether or not ME 1 or ME 2's story is purely subjective. Personally I think both are middle of the road with ME 2 winning on presentation. Which is the series strong suit to begin with.

[kraidy1117]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

There is a group of FABRICATED Elitist gamers, made up by the people who really cant "play" video games well; whom blame it on a "group" of people who want seriously hard games that no one can access.

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted? 

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

I dont even see how the first one wasnt Accesible.

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

  


well then whats the real problem with Mass Effect 2. so far all i am hearing is this bull sh*T about its not like ME 1. well damn its a new game its not suppose to be the same game. If you are mad thats its more of shooter than a rpg I can agree with that. because playing it makes me think of COD 4 MW 's mp with a really good story added on to it. Bioware made one huge mistake with ME 1 and that was not getting the shooting and biotic combat  straighten out as well the frame rate issue. had they fine turned those 3 games i am sure Mass Effect 2 would have been a extension of that but they had to fix mistakes in ME 1. when a developer shows a game that has shooting combat in it and that combat sucks there is a major problem. as for your comment on the hardcore group is fake thats lie because this forum proved my whole point. you and everyone else can not give a legit reason why you dislike ME 2. so you use the same ol sh*t of its not like ME 1 and thats not fair and further more you do not like that it is now appealing to everyone. you all do not give a sh*t about the franchise . you want to install marshal law on all of us gamers who because of the changes in ME 2 decided to buy it. you people want games to only appeal to you and have your rules in them . 

I stopped reading when you said mE2 had a good story, it sucked. It is crap, it's messy, it makes no sence half the time and the plotholes, oh the plotholes.

[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Well, it's hard to stop morons from spewing out ignorance.

As I said in the liara group. Are oyu happy Bioware with your new fans? Fans that think pew pew pew is better then a well written story and choices? I hope you are, if Liara's DLC sucks, you will lose a customer.

I dont mind "Pew pew pew" in a game that is supposed to be a "Pew Pew Pew" game.... its exactly why sometimes I just want to play Gears for a bit, just to shoot and destroy things.

But Mass Effect is what I play when I want interesting, indepth, incredibly fun gameplay, not freaking Commander Cheif.

I like pew pew pew, I like shooting games, but I also love RPGs. If I want to have some fun, I will play some Halo 3 or Gears 2, if I want to imerse my self in a fictional unverse, I play a RPG.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Oh come on ME 1 begins with a plot hole!



The whole premise is based around "OMG it was Saren!" when there is absolutely no reason Shepard should be certain that this was the case.

[Ch40sFox]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

There is a group of FABRICATED Elitist gamers, made up by the people who really cant "play" video games well; whom blame it on a "group" of people who want seriously hard games that no one can access.

Did you see how well Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 were accepted? 

Not very well, even among your "Hardcore gamers", because it was an extreme example of games being WAAAAAY to inaccesible.

I dont even see how the first one wasnt Accesible.

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

  


well then whats the real problem with Mass Effect 2. so far all i am hearing is this bull sh*T about its not like ME 1. well damn its a new game its not suppose to be the same game. If you are mad thats its more of shooter than a rpg I can agree with that. because playing it makes me think of COD 4 MW 's mp with a really good story added on to it. Bioware made one huge mistake with ME 1 and that was not getting the shooting and biotic combat  straighten out as well the frame rate issue. had they fine turned those 3 games i am sure Mass Effect 2 would have been a extension of that but they had to fix mistakes in ME 1. when a developer shows a game that has shooting combat in it and that combat sucks there is a major problem. as for your comment on the hardcore group is fake thats lie because this forum proved my whole point. you and everyone else can not give a legit reason why you dislike ME 2. so you use the same ol sh*t of its not like ME 1 and thats not fair and further more you do not like that it is now appealing to everyone. you all do not give a sh*t about the franchise . you want to install marshal law on all of us gamers who because of the changes in ME 2 decided to buy it. you people want games to only appeal to you and have your rules in them . 

You only instill law upon yourself, just because you cannot make a valid arguement on a game youve never played, doesnt make it a "Hardcore" discussion. It makes you an idiot who is spewing non-sense, on a subject you know, literally, nothing about.

What Biotic issues?

Sure shooting took awhile to get up to speed, but it was solely based on RPG elements, it wasnt a SHOOTER, it was an RPG with GUNS in it, VERY VERY BIG distinction between the two.

I do care about the franchise, if I didnt, I wouldnt be expressing my concern and worry as to where its going, If I didnt care, I would simply do just that, not care.

Considering the first game was about playing by your own rules.... <_<

Why dont you find a nice tall glass of STFU, go find a copy of Mass Effect, and play it, and truly SEE for yourself the difference between the two.

[kraidy1117]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh come on ME 1 begins with a plot hole!

The whole premise is based around "OMG it was Saren!" when there is absolutely no reason Shepard should be certain that this was the case.

Yes ME had plotholes, ut not that much compared to ME2 main plot. The whole thing is a clutterfuck.