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[ExtremeOne]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

Btw, Extremeone has never even played ME1, so e says on other threads, so, can't exactly speak on the subject, can you?

It won't stop him. He can hate ME all he wants, the crux of the matter is ME did things better then ME2 did and that's a fact.

  



Oh since when did i say i hate ME 1. i am just not one of those ME 1 ball juice drinking gamers  

[kraidy1117]

ExtremeOne wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
there is a group of elitist gamers known as the hardcore you all want games to remain only for you and no one else thats what this whole anti ME 2 garbage is about. you can not deal with the fact that Bioware did the right thing and fixed the problems of ME 1. you do not give a sh*t about the franchise all you care about is the game playing the way you want and never appealing to anyone else.  

I was not a "Hardcore" gamer until I actually picked up Mass Effect, and started playing it non-stop.

So really, think of it this way. SHUT UP.

Btw, Extremeone has never even played ME1, so e says on other threads, so, can't exactly speak on the subject, can you?

It won't stop him. He can hate ME all he wants, the crux of the matter is ME did things better then ME2 did and that's a fact.

  



Oh since when did i say i hate ME 1. i am just not one of those ME 1 ball juice drinking gamers  

Nice job being mature. It's 4 am, I think it's passed your bed time. Let us grown ups talk about matters you know nothing about! Go play ME and then we will listen.

[Ch40sFox]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Oh come on ME 1 begins with a plot hole!

The whole premise is based around "OMG it was Saren!" when there is absolutely no reason Shepard should be certain that this was the case.

The thing about Shepard's first encounter of Eden Prime, was that it was alot of contextually based, "You had to be there," evidence, which is why the galaxy doubts the Reapers exist in the first place.

Because Vigil stopped working, and people saw Saren commanding the Geth, which hadnt been seen outside the Perseus Viel since the Morning War. Sovereign was attributed to a massive Geth designed Dreadnaught, and dismissed an actual entity in itself that had the ability to manipulate anything with a nervous system and beta, theta, and gamma wave brain patterns.

If you can even get that much tiny little detail of explanation out of the entirety of Mass Effect 2's story, Id be damned interested to see it.

[kraidy1117]

Shavon wrote...

To be fair, the novel, ME: Retribution clarifies certain things that aren't explained well in the game . . . .

@ Onyx ME2 may have better presentation, it also has has a more streamlined, perfected look to it, but many would prefer a slightly flawed game, with a very good story, to what ME2 offers. yes, it's aesthetically pleasing. Yes, the game has a cast of colorful characters. Yes, the game has a decent presentation that outdoes ME1. These things come at th sacrifice of elements that are no longer in ME2, the same elements that made ME1 so great. The things that were lacking in ME1 could have been improved, to make the perfect shooter rpg. Instead, they made a shooter with rpg elements and went in a complete opposite direction.

Then they proceed to call ME2 the superior game.

LMFAO

For me...
ME: 9.0
ME2: 9.5

Not that big of a diffrence, both are games, and both have alot of flaws, however some things that where taken out of ME2 where uncalled for and the story was a cmplete joke.

[Onyx Jaguar]

You only instill law upon yourself, just because you cannot make a valid arguement on a game youve never played, doesnt make it a "Hardcore" discussion. It makes you an idiot who is spewing non-sense, on a subject you know, literally, nothing about.



What Biotic issues?



Sure shooting took awhile to get up to speed, but it was solely based on RPG elements, it wasnt a SHOOTER, it was an RPG with GUNS in it, VERY VERY BIG distinction between the two.





Considering the first game was about playing by your own rules....

The problem with ME 1's shooting combat was that the game flat out becomes easier to actually play when you max out your levels.



Mainly because it was tied to two systems. Standard shooting aiming while the cursor would bounce about because of stat manipulation.



This is not a good system because it kills the difficulty curve as playing ME for the first time is a giant hill to climb because this system is very punishing to the player.



Plus enemies are not affected in the same way.



ME 2 eliminates that, pretty much assuming that your accuracy skill is maxed out. That is the only real difference between the two.



Biotics are nerfed, mainly on hardcore and Insanity. However your squadmates are useful in making team combinations while in ME 1 they were just stacks of base characters.

[Ch40sFox]

Shavon wrote...

To be fair, the novel, ME: Retribution clarifies certain things that aren't explained well in the game . . . .

@ Onyx ME2 may have better presentation, it also has has a more streamlined, perfected look to it, but many would prefer a slightly flawed game, with a very good story, to what ME2 offers. yes, it's aesthetically pleasing. Yes, the game has a cast of colorful characters. Yes, the game has a decent presentation that outdoes ME1. These things come at th sacrifice of elements that are no longer in ME2, the same elements that made ME1 so great. The things that were lacking in ME1 could have been improved, to make the perfect shooter rpg. Instead, they made a shooter with rpg elements and went in a complete opposite direction.

Then they proceed to call ME2 the superior game.

LMFAO

Ive never actually fallen out of my chair laughing from reading something.... until now.

[Ch40sFox]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

You only instill law upon yourself, just because you cannot make a valid arguement on a game youve never played, doesnt make it a "Hardcore" discussion. It makes you an idiot who is spewing non-sense, on a subject you know, literally, nothing about.

What Biotic issues?

Sure shooting took awhile to get up to speed, but it was solely based on RPG elements, it wasnt a SHOOTER, it was an RPG with GUNS in it, VERY VERY BIG distinction between the two.


Considering the first game was about playing by your own rules....

The problem with ME 1's shooting combat was that the game flat out becomes easier to actually play when you max out your levels.

Mainly because it was tied to two systems. Standard shooting aiming while the cursor would bounce about because of stat manipulation.

This is not a good system because it kills the difficulty curve as playing ME for the first time is a giant hill to climb because this system is very punishing to the player.

Plus enemies are not affected in the same way.

ME 2 eliminates that, pretty much assuming that your accuracy skill is maxed out. That is the only real difference between the two.

Biotics are nerfed, mainly on hardcore and Insanity. However your squadmates are useful in making team combinations while in ME 1 they were just stacks of base characters.

Funny things, because they themselves were the base characters on which every single one of Shepard's classes were based on. Shepard had no unique class to him, which doesnt make him the base or "control" of the game.

Each character literally had a different feeling and purpose to them.

Play the game with Tali and Wrex and have fun.

Play the game with Kaiden and Liara, and have a COMPLETELY different experience.

Im not even throwing in Shepard into the mix, with different classes.

Each squadmate had just as many powers as you, which made it more than combination, it made it a literal squad in which you worked together to take town an enemy with sheer overwhelming skill and precise moves, it made the squadmates feel more like people, than just characters. Id see Tali was being attacked by biotics, and panic, so Id send Liara or Wrex to back her up. Or Liara facing an Engineer, so Id send Kaiden or Tali to back her up and lay waste to their abilities, setting Wrex or Garrus up for a easy killshot.

Now, they're just nuisances that die every five seconds, and tag along with me so I can have an extra power or two. Instead of me panicing over someone being attacked by something they're weak against, I find myself not caring, because in the end, every other character would fall to that same attack just as easily. In the original, I actually had to COMPETE with my Squadmates to actually call a kill my own, it didnt discourage me to stop playing, it encouraged me to think of new ways to make a character build faster, stronger, deadlier, and above all, unstoppable. You could become a literal GOD in Mass Effect 1, which made the work somehow VERY worth it.

In Mass Effect 2, I feel like Im very stoppable, as opposed to a character that is supposed to be unstoppable.

Modifié par Ch40sFox, 27 août 2010 - 08:29 .

[kraidy1117]

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

These are the new fans Bioware prefers.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The only character who is worth anything in ME 1 is Liara

The hybrids are useless

Tali is fun for the Geth mainly because of her hacking skills, but that still is present in ME 2

I have found that my squadmates while more fragile in ME 2 actually kill enemies instead of ME 1 where I frequently either have to direct them personally to kill enemies (unless they are Liara or Wrex), or basically use them as bait while I kill everything.

Plus the squadmates in ME 2 do not have the prestige skills (like Singularity) that are present for some of the bases in ME 1. Which I have no problem with because it gives me a reason to try out an Adept nerfed as it is.

I personally would rather have the challenge in the actual gameplay than the build of my characters.

Which neither ME game offers actually since they are both rather easy.  They are no half life or zelda

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 27 août 2010 - 08:32 .

[Ch40sFox]

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

[Onyx Jaguar]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

These are the new fans Bioware prefers.

Of course that is the market.  Old people die you know

[Ch40sFox]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

The only character who is worth anything in ME 1 is Liara

The hybrids are useless

Tali is fun for the Geth mainly because of her hacking skills, but that still is present in ME 2

I have found that my squadmates while more fragile in ME 2 actually kill enemies instead of ME 1 where I frequently either have to direct them personally to kill enemies (unless they are Liara or Wrex), or basically use them as bait while I kill everything.

Plus the squadmates in ME 2 do not have the prestige skills (like Singularity) that are present for some of the bases in ME 1. Which I have no problem with because it gives me a reason to try out an Adept nerfed as it is.

I personally would rather have the challenge in the actual gameplay than the build of my characters.

Which neither ME game offers actually since they are both rather easy.  They are no half life or zelda

You know, for all the Adepts are cracked up to be in Mass Effect, which no doubt are rediculously powerful, I found that Engineer's could devastate any of the character builds present in both of the games.

Engineer's can literally disable someone completely in the first, no moving, no abilities, no shooting, no reacting back. Add onto some of the most insanely fast cooldown times, and everything just literally falls at your feet to worship your Godliness.

Engineer's got screwed, so bad, its not funny. Handy as they are, they arent even worthy to stand in the shadow of Mass Effect Engineer's. Had the original had Combat Drone's on Engineer, the class would be more highly praised than the Adept is.

I believe I would know, Ive logged so many hours into the first, Im very ashamed to admit it.

[kraidy1117]

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

Lol . . . my bad.

The sad thing is, the statement was made by the same man who created Baldur's Gate.

If he would have said he thinks ME2 is better or he enjoyed itm ore, then it would not be funny, but to say it's superior is a joke. It's barly on BG2 and KOTOR's level.

[Ch40sFox]

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

Lol . . . my bad.

The sad thing is, the statement was made by the same man who created Baldur's Gate.

Which is what really makes me sad, its sad to see how far theyve gone down in the world these days.

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

Lol . . . my bad.

The sad thing is, the statement was made by the same man who created Baldur's Gate.

If he would have said he thinks ME2 is better or he enjoyed itm ore, then it would not be funny, but to say it's superior is a joke. It's barly on BG2 and KOTOR's level.

Hell, its not even on Kotor 2's Level, and people didnt like that one quite as much as the first, albiet really good.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I would not have said ME 2 is superior to ME 1 on my first impression. But after going back to ME 1 after playing ME 2 it is no contest in my eyes.



I would say it also wins by default since it isn't buggy as **** which had been Bioware's MO except for Jade Empire which was surprisingly polished.

[kraidy1117]

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

Lol . . . my bad.

The sad thing is, the statement was made by the same man who created Baldur's Gate.

If he would have said he thinks ME2 is better or he enjoyed itm ore, then it would not be funny, but to say it's superior is a joke. It's barly on BG2 and KOTOR's level.

Hell, its not even on Kotor 2's Level, and people didnt like that one quite as much as the first, albiet really good.

Meh I like ME2 more then ME but unlike the blind fans out here, I am not blind to it's flaws. ME2 could have been alot better then it was had Bioware decided not to cater to the shooter fans.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also MDK 2 was well made however the gameplay design was... "too creative"

[Ch40sFox]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Ch40sFox wrote...

Shavon wrote...

I forget too easily that the forums are made up of teen age boys, hence the maturity level. Hmmm, open discussion? Yep.

Thanks for the feedback Fox. Next time, an actual response would be nice.

I was laughing with you, not at you. I agree that it is purely rediculous to call Mass Effect 2 superior to Mass Effect.

Lol . . . my bad.

The sad thing is, the statement was made by the same man who created Baldur's Gate.

If he would have said he thinks ME2 is better or he enjoyed itm ore, then it would not be funny, but to say it's superior is a joke. It's barly on BG2 and KOTOR's level.

Hell, its not even on Kotor 2's Level, and people didnt like that one quite as much as the first, albiet really good.

Meh I like ME2 more then ME but unlike the blind fans out here, I am not blind to it's flaws. ME2 could have been alot better then it was had Bioware decided not to cater to the shooter fans.

Which really, is most of the people on the forum's point.

I just get it across with a little more logic, and less, "THIS SUX." with no constructive critism/feedback.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Yeah I don't see how that is any different from the first game

I mean, about the only thing I can think of is getting told to go to X place for X mission.  However the emails do that with the codex.  

Then you have that quest where you pick up an object and give it to the mechanic on a quest.  You get rewarded after Grunt's Loyalty mission when talking to the doctor. 

Yeah I'm not seeing it.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 27 août 2010 - 08:50 .

[Ch40sFox]

Shavon wrote...

LOL . . . well, if this is the market, then I am very sad at the new generation of kids coming up. The whole 'rubberized playground' generation, want games that spell everything out for them, babying them, rather than the player actually talking to each npc, reading the journal (which should have the appropriate-sized font, I might add) and piecing together all the information to complete a quest. It's gone. ME1 lacked this a bit too much, but it's completely absent in ME2

As far as Im concerned, it was just the perfect amount in ME1...

There wasnt alot of go here and do that, now go through there and do that....

It was more like, "You have to do this, this, this, and this..... have fun."

Which I liked.... you actually had to search for Liara, it wasnt spelled out for you, becuase no one knew where she was, literally. Just a general direction.

They gave you no hint that Virmire was a major, MAJOR plot mission, just, "Its an option, there ya go."