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[buttcrackofdoom]

On my third playthrough I used a Soldier on Insanity and at first got the Revenant.  But it seemed so inaccurate and lame that after 2 minutes of using it I reloaded and chose the Widow.  It may have just been because the first floating platform Collector fight is the hardest fight in the game and I also didn't have the accuracy upgrade for Assault Rifles.  I also figured that I would get the Geth Assault Rifle later and it wouldn't matter.

Sadly I figured out that the Geth Assault Rifle sucks and I regret not taking the Revenant.  So here's the question:

Should I replay the game on Insanity as a soldier again to get the Revenant or choose a different class?  I already beat the game as a Vanguard and Infiltrator so that leaves the Sentinel, Adept, and Engineer.

Also another question.  Is NG+ really harder than starting with a new character?  I want the most challenging experience possible.

Modifié par buttcrackofdoom, 28 février 2010 - 05:21 .

[Sflopssy]

I say choose a different class. Of all the assault rifles, I feel the vindicator to be the best. It's only drawback being ammo consumption. The revenant is a very nice gun. The damage is nice as well as the ammo count. But it just isn't accurate enough for my taste (even during adrenaline rush). I have the upgrades as well which helps to a degree. After the first couple of rounds, the shots don't go quite where I want them too. I wish I had chosen the widow.

I am being very picky based just on accuracy though. If your already that far through, I suggest seeing it through. Then try a different class for a new challenge. Its just one tool of destruction in a game filled lots many more that are just as fun.

[SmilingMirror]

NG+ is not any harder than any other time you were level 30, but level 30 enemies are supposed to be a slight challenge for players that have upgrades. When you start a NG+ you have no upgrades. Yes it is very challenging to kill flamethrower vorcha during Mordins level.

[buttcrackofdoom]

Sflopssy wrote...

I say choose a different class. Of all the assault rifles, I feel the vindicator to be the best. It's only drawback being ammo consumption. The revenant is a very nice gun. The damage is nice as well as the ammo count. But it just isn't accurate enough for my taste (even during adrenaline rush). I have the upgrades as well which helps to a degree. After the first couple of rounds, the shots don't go quite where I want them too. I wish I had chosen the widow.
I am being very picky based just on accuracy though. If your already that far through, I suggest seeing it through. Then try a different class for a new challenge. Its just one tool of destruction in a game filled lots many more that are just as fun.

So even with the accuracy upgrade it's still inaccurate?  I think I'll choose an Engineer for my next playthrough if that's the case.

If NG+ is only slightly harder than when I was level 30 it sounds easy.  After the derelict Collecter Ship the game was a cake walk for me.

Modifié par buttcrackofdoom, 28 février 2010 - 05:56 .

[Sflopssy]

If want good accuracy with the revenant, you have really burst fire it. On the harder difficulties, I want every bullet to count and to be as close to the head as possible. I guess maybe I should as have just been a infiltrator. The revenant is also called a light machine gun which is very true to the nature of the gun.

[CLime]

I did pretty much the same thing: heard about how the Revenant was so awesome, picked it up on the Collector ship, only to reload a few minutes later and take the Widow instead. I really don't care for all the shakiness when using the full auto, and I already had the accuracy upgrade. After the Vindicator and GPR, the Revenant felt less like an AR and more like an SMG, my least favorite weapon.



Since I ditched it almost immediately I obviously don't have much experience with the Rev, but I'd say it's not worth playing through as the same class again just for a different weapon. It doesn't matter how powerful it is if it's not fun for you to use. Also, IIRC you don't get to pick a new weapon on a NG+, the training carries over.

[blank1]

If you know how to aim and pulse the trigger, the Revenant will blow every other weapon out of the water.



If you don't... well you just don't. :3

[Sabresandiego]

Revenant is the most fun weapon to use in the game.

[DaftPaycheck]

The Revenant has its uses, it's just a little hard to get used to it after you've most likely been using the Vindicator up to that point. Once you do get used to the accuracy on it though, the Revenant really is an amazing weapon. On insanity, I loved mowing through a pack of husks without needing to stop every few seconds to reload.



Any enemy that is larger than normal, (Scions or Praetorians,) or that come in large packs like the husks or varren, you'll be very happy to have the Revenant available. The ammo pool on the gun is just ridiculous, as others have said, and given its fairly substantial DPS, and the Revenant is anything but a poor weapon choice.



With that said, the Widow is equally as impressive, especially if you couple it with Heightened AR, giving you the greatest single damage shot in the game if I'm not mistaken...but I still feel like the Widow can be saved for an infiltrator run, while the Revenant should be capitalized on with your soldier considering you won't get another chance with the other classes.



As for replaying the game just to get the Revenant? That most likely will have to be your decision, I can't really say from person to person whether or not it'd be worth the effort.

[ShaqH]

Revenant with Inferno ammo destroys Scions. Wipe out the enemies around it, get up close and spray. Also useful when Krogans charge at you. It's an assault rifle and a shotgun all in one

[Adokat]

I played my normal run as soldier and took the widow. For my second insanity run I took soldier again just to use the revenant. It was definitely worth it- it's great fun to mow down enemies. I think it benefits alot from the accuracy upgrade, although you should burst fire it usually. Going full auto with inferno ammo on the IFF mission is one of those exceptions.



On the other hand, my first insanity run was asan engineer, and I found the class the be very effective and a lot of fun.

[Spyndel]

Do people really not know how to use the Revenant? You dont just hold the trigger down unless the enemy is at close range, then you can just spray them into atoms. Otherwise, you pulse the trigger in short bursts. The Rev is so powerful, even this will make short work of nearly all the enemies in the game. Plus, you'll be using Adrenaline Rush, which mitigates the kickback.



After 10 minutes with the gun, and the Accuracy upgrade, Inferno ammo, or Tungsten rounds you'll be used to it, and effortlessly chewing through anything in the game.

[Ulysseslotro]

Spyndel wrote...

Do people really not know how to use the Revenant? You dont just hold the trigger down unless the enemy is at close range, then you can just spray them into atoms. Otherwise, you pulse the trigger in short bursts. The Rev is so powerful, even this will make short work of nearly all the enemies in the game. Plus, you'll be using Adrenaline Rush, which mitigates the kickback.

After 10 minutes with the gun, and the Accuracy upgrade, Inferno ammo, or Tungsten rounds you'll be used to it, and effortlessly chewing through anything in the game.

If you did that your damage output would be pathetic.  There was a video of a Reverent user taking 4 minutes to do the platforms while "Bursting" while a Widow user completed the same platform in 1:30 seconds.  The only time Rev came close to the Widow user time (2:19)  was when he went Rambo style and ran like a Vanguard into everything and sprayed them at very close ranges.
  
If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

[Spyndel]

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Do people really not know how to use the Revenant? You dont just hold the trigger down unless the enemy is at close range, then you can just spray them into atoms. Otherwise, you pulse the trigger in short bursts. The Rev is so powerful, even this will make short work of nearly all the enemies in the game. Plus, you'll be using Adrenaline Rush, which mitigates the kickback.

After 10 minutes with the gun, and the Accuracy upgrade, Inferno ammo, or Tungsten rounds you'll be used to it, and effortlessly chewing through anything in the game.

If you did that your damage output would be pathetic.  There was a video of a Reverent user taking 4 minutes to do the platforms while "Bursting" while a Widow user completed the same platform in 1:30 seconds.  The only time Rev came close to the Widow user time (2:19)  was when he went Rambo style and ran like a Vanguard into everything and sprayed them at very close ranges.
  
If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

I don't really think that the phrase "damage output pathetic" belongs in any sentence that contains the word "Revanent".  But to clarify, I meant pulse the trigger, not stop and start bursts with gaps in between. It slows the kickback enough to kill enemies at medium range in real time easily.  If youre using Adrenaline Rush the point is moot.

For what its worth, Ive seen a 1:30 video with the Widow on You Tube. It is from a different section than Ramsen's 2:19 Rev vid. The thread he posted that in was in response to a Widow user taking over 3 min to do the section with a Widow. I dont particularly place much stock in record setting videos by especially talented individuals as measures of the kind of value most players will receive from a given weapon, but I'd love to see the comparison if you want to put the links up.

I think the widow is an exceptional tool, and in skilled hands extraordinary things can be done with it, but I think you put a much more forgiving upgraded Revenant in anyone's hands, and they sleepwalk through the rest of the game, Insanity or otherwise.

Modifié par Spyndel, 28 février 2010 - 05:32 .

[Atmosfear3]

I already miss my Rev. It is by far the most fun weapon in-game to use. You feel so powerful firing it and the sound it makes is just lovely. Using it is so simple if anyone has played a shooter before. DON'T HOLD DOWN THE TRIGGER!

[Athenau]

If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

As opposed to playing the soldier like a half-assed infiltrator?  The soldier is meant to be aggressive. That's why they have adrenaline rush, and that's why they get the Revenant.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 06:07 .

[Sflopssy]

Aren't vanguards and infiltrators just half-assed soldiers?

[Athenau]

That was sarcasm. Anyone calling the soldier a half-assed Vanguard or Infiltrator (for assaulting or sniping respectively) is retarded.  The class has the tools to play how you want to play.  It's up to you whether you want to take advantage of that.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 06:16 .

[WillieStyle]

Athenau wrote...

If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

As opposed to playing the soldier like a half-assed infiltrator?  The soldier is meant to be aggressive. That's why they have adrenaline rush, and that's why they get the Revenant.

^This.
The game really rewards experienced players for playing aggressively.  The double damage bonus from close range is huge.  And soldiers get Hardened Adrenaline Rush - the best damage mitigation ability in the game - for a reason.  On Insanity, run up to Harbinger, pop Hardened Adrenaline Rush and kill him before you use up an entire clip of the Revenant.  The Revenant is highly effective, versatile and fun.  If you're willing to play in close to medium range, the Revenant is the best weapon in the game.  The Widow is also great, but as others have said, you can save it for an Infiltrator play through.

[Ulysseslotro]

Spyndel wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Do people really not know how to use the Revenant? You dont just hold the trigger down unless the enemy is at close range, then you can just spray them into atoms. Otherwise, you pulse the trigger in short bursts. The Rev is so powerful, even this will make short work of nearly all the enemies in the game. Plus, you'll be using Adrenaline Rush, which mitigates the kickback.

After 10 minutes with the gun, and the Accuracy upgrade, Inferno ammo, or Tungsten rounds you'll be used to it, and effortlessly chewing through anything in the game.

If you did that your damage output would be pathetic.  There was a video of a Reverent user taking 4 minutes to do the platforms while "Bursting" while a Widow user completed the same platform in 1:30 seconds.  The only time Rev came close to the Widow user time (2:19)  was when he went Rambo style and ran like a Vanguard into everything and sprayed them at very close ranges.
  
If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

I don't really think that the phrase "damage output pathetic" belongs in any sentence that contains the word "Revanent".  But to clarify, I meant pulse the trigger, not stop and start bursts with gaps in between. It slows the kickback enough to kill enemies at medium range in real time easily.  If youre using Adrenaline Rush the point is moot.

For what its worth, Ive seen a 1:30 video with the Widow on You Tube. It is from a different section than Ramsen's 2:19 Rev vid. The thread he posted that in was in response to a Widow user taking over 3 min to do the section with a Widow. I dont particularly place much stock in record setting videos by especially talented individuals as measures of the kind of value most players will receive from a given weapon, but I'd love to see the comparison if you want to put the links up.

I think the widow is an exceptional tool, and in skilled hands extraordinary things can be done with it, but I think you put a much more forgiving upgraded Revenant in anyone's hands, and they sleepwalk through the rest of the game, Insanity or otherwise.

There was a 4 minute video where people where saying how he was using the Reverent was "Pro" ect.  No weapon came close to it.  In this video the person shot out of cover from medium ranges.  He was using shortcut keys and squad abilities.

I then created a video with Widow that only took 3 minutes.  I didn't use squad abilities and I didn't use macros.  So I would pause the game to select the HAR before sniping.  I proved first hand that the 4 minute Rev video was not "Pro" nor that "No other weapon could compete with it"

Someone then decided to make a 2:19 on with Reverent going Rambo 'Ballz to the Wallz' style, and he used all hotkey and squad abilities.  He did not show it was on Insanity so it isn't official.  But the real issue is why be a half-assed Vanguard when you can just choose the Vanguard class.  You can tell he was playing frantically and pushing the limits

I then created a 2nd video, but this time using macros so I didn't have the paused game slowdown from selecting HAR with the mouse.  But I still did not use squad abilities.  I beat his speedrun by 20 seconds even though my heartbeat never passed 70 beats a minute.

Then a day later someone other user posted a 1:30 with Widow on insanity.  There has been no Reverent speedrun that matches either of the Widow speedruns.  He did this by using Widow the entire fight and going to get extra clips by moving out of cover.  In my video I didn't ever move from cover and was why it was slower.

I wanted to prove that Rev was not a better weapon.  I proved that Widow was both Faster and Safer than someone who used the Rev. 

So Reverent officially is clocked at 4:00 minutes while Widow is clocked at 1:30 on Insanity, until someone proves otherwise.  And even if you believe the 2:19 is legit, which I do, it is still slower than 2 different Widow speedruns whom were in safer positions and protected more then the Rambo vid.  Oh and the Widow players will have much happier Mouses and less load screens than Rambo Revs.

Rev 'maybe' is a better 'Sedan' than Widow but it isn't a better 'Sports Car' 

Modifié par Ulysseslotro, 28 février 2010 - 06:47 .

[Ulysseslotro]

Athenau wrote...

If your going to play a Soldier like a half-assed Vanguard, you may aswell just start a Vanguard.

As opposed to playing the soldier like a half-assed infiltrator?  The soldier is meant to be aggressive. That's why they have adrenaline rush, and that's why they get the Revenant.

I like the Vindicator better than pistol and smgs.  Vindicator is awesome and a very good reason to choose Soldier over Infil.  Add in all the abilities Soldiers have and ammo and it is clearly a great class.  It can compete with Infils sniping but versatile enough to pick up the Vindicator when he is out of Widow ammo and keep sniping at heads or to change to a shotgun when husks are nearby.

[Athenau]

Using the collector platform fight as proof of anything is moronic. That fight is tailor made for sniping. There are no aggressive enemies except for harbinger, who you can snipe and focus fire with your squadmates, and the rest you can simply pick off from cover. The fact that the Revenant is even competitive there speaks volumes for its power.



Try doing that against husk swarms, or krogans + varren.



PS: If you're going to discard the 2:19 Revenant time for not showing the difficulty level, you'd better discard the others for not showing character levels and upgrades, because playing that fight at level 30 is very different from playing it at level 15.

[Ulysseslotro]

Athenau wrote...

Using the collector platform fight as proof of anything is moronic.

Then you should have told all your Rev fanbois about that before they started the "its Pro" and "No weapon can compete with it" comments from that 4:00 minute video. 

Modifié par Ulysseslotro, 28 février 2010 - 07:03 .

[WillieStyle]

Someone then decided to make a 2:19 on with Reverent going Rambo 'Ballz to the Wallz' style, and he used all hotkey and squad abilities. He did not show it was on Insanity so it isn't official. But the real issue is why be a half-assed Vanguard when you can just choose the Vanguard class. You can tell he was playing frantically and pushing the limits

This doesn't make any sense.
1) A Soldier with the Revenant plays VERY differently from a Vanguard with a Shotgun.
2) All classes can play effectively at close range; even the Infiltrator.
3) Many people would find "playing frantically and pushing the limits" a feature not a bug.
4) As Athenau stated, that fight is tailor made for sniping. Enemies start very far away. You almost always have line-of-sight no matter how far back you are. The Scions, Drones and Gaurdians don't charge or try to flank you. The Revenant is effective on that fight and even more effective when it comes to fighting waves of Husks or Praetorians later on.

Modifié par WillieStyle, 28 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[Ulysseslotro]

WillieStyle wrote...

Someone then decided to make a 2:19 on with Reverent going Rambo 'Ballz to the Wallz' style, and he used all hotkey and squad abilities. He did not show it was on Insanity so it isn't official. But the real issue is why be a half-assed Vanguard when you can just choose the Vanguard class. You can tell he was playing frantically and pushing the limits

This doesn't make any sense.
1) A Soldier with the Revenant plays VERY differently from a Vanguard with a Shotgun.
2) All classes can play effectively at close range; even the Infiltrator.
3) Many people would find "playing frantically and pushing the limits" a feature not a bug.
4) As Athenau stated, that fight is tailor made for sniping. Enemies start very far away. You almost always have line-of-sight no matter how far back you are. The Scions, Drones and Gaurdians don't charge or try to flank you. The Revenant is effective on that fight and even more effective when it comes to fighting waves of Husks or Praetorians later on.

Well if you like to ride someone elses bumper with a Prius, I'm not going to argue that it can get better mileage and give you all the thrills you want.  When you say the Prius is a better sports car than the Dodge Viper, then I take issue with it.