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[Athenau]

Your analogies are retarded. Stop talking.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 07:26 .

[Riot Inducer]

People, you're comparing a very potent sniper rifle with a very potent machine gun; they are both VERY deadly but they have different strengths and weaknesses. A fight that's good for one is not going to be optimal for the other, the widow is NOT going to help you as much on the IFF mission when the husks are chewing on your shins, just like the revenant is NOT going to be as useful to you on something like the end of Thane's recruitment mission where enemies are all placed across large open spaces.



Take the Revenant if you want a weapon that with skill can take enemies out at medium range, shred anything at close range and will always have enough ammo for you.



Take the Widow if you want to be able to eliminate tough opponents very fast at range.



It's not a matter of which is 'better' it's which suits your playstyle more.

[Welder0]

Riot Inducer wrote...

People, you're comparing a very potent sniper rifle with a very potent machine gun; they are both VERY deadly but they have different strengths and weaknesses. A fight that's good for one is not going to be optimal for the other, the widow is NOT going to help you as much on the IFF mission when the husks are chewing on your shins, just like the revenant is NOT going to be as useful to you on something like the end of Thane's recruitment mission where enemies are all placed across large open spaces.

Take the Revenant if you want a weapon that with skill can take enemies out at medium range, shred anything at close range and will always have enough ammo for you.

Take the Widow if you want to be able to eliminate tough opponents very fast at range.

It's not a matter of which is 'better' it's which suits your playstyle more.

What you said...

It's not a question of right or wrong, it's a question of different...

[Spyndel]

Riot Inducer wrote...

People, you're comparing a very potent sniper rifle with a very potent machine gun; they are both VERY deadly but they have different strengths and weaknesses. A fight that's good for one is not going to be optimal for the other, the widow is NOT going to help you as much on the IFF mission when the husks are chewing on your shins, just like the revenant is NOT going to be as useful to you on something like the end of Thane's recruitment mission where enemies are all placed across large open spaces.

Take the Revenant if you want a weapon that with skill can take enemies out at medium range, shred anything at close range and will always have enough ammo for you.

Take the Widow if you want to be able to eliminate tough opponents very fast at range.

It's not a matter of which is 'better' it's which suits your playstyle more.

The only thing I'll take issue with here, is that the Rev is suitable for virtually any situation in the game, with the exception of long range enemies that you physically cant reach.  Thats the point, once you pick up the Rev, it becomes your game.  It kills everything, it kills fast, and it never runs out of bullets.   Sure, you might snipe some rocket troops now and then, but thats more for kicks.  You rarely find yourself juggling weapons.

That could be a good thing, or a bad thing, if you crave variety over practicality.  Not saying anything against the widow..I very much enjoyed my time with this "surgeons scalpel" during my infiltrator game.


As far as the vids, the only thing I will say, is that they are all made by better players than I am, RamsenC's word is good here..theres no "unofficial"...every video is unoffical in the age of digital manipulation, and that "best speed" videos are more about showing how good you are getting a a particular segment of the game after repeated attemtps, not any kind of accurate measure of a weapon's worth. RamsenC's video seemed a sort of casual attempt...Im pretty sure with subsequent attempts he could squeeze another 20 seconds or so out, but he moved on. 1:30 with anything on that stretch is pretty darn good, though.

[Spyndel]

Ulysseslotro wrote...


Then a day later someone other user posted a 1:30 with Widow on insanity. 
I

Heh, BTW, that Vid was with an Infiltrator, not a soldier.

[RighteousRage]

The Revenant always has pretty bad accuracy, even with the accuracy upgrade. If you burst fire, your headshot frequency will increase somewhat, but the Widow is probably the most conservative choice. If I were speedrunning on lower difficulties I'd probably choose Revenant, but with the Widow you can just headshot and kill just about anything in one hit on all difficulties except the beginning of insanity.

[RighteousRage]

Also whoever said Revenant is for husks is correct, Revenant has far superior crowd control and is definitely better against those sorts of enemies, whereas the Widow is more for medium/long-range skirmishing (I know this is surprising)

[Ulysseslotro]

Spyndel wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...


Then a day later someone other user posted a 1:30 with Widow on insanity. 
I

Heh, BTW, that Vid was with an Infiltrator, not a soldier.

Yes but keep in mind he was moving closer to his targets and getting ammo clips.  The closer you are the more damage you can do.   My vid was just to prove Widow can kill faster than Rev from safety (Long Range).  That is why I didn't move.  His video proves that someone with Widow can kill faster than Rev at short range.

[Athenau]

Wrong.  Sniper rifles have a 1x damage multiplier at all ranges and at close range nothing short of a reload-trick abusing Claymore can touch the Revenant.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 08:35 .

[Spyndel]

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...


Then a day later someone other user posted a 1:30 with Widow on insanity. 
I

Heh, BTW, that Vid was with an Infiltrator, not a soldier.

Yes but keep in mind he was moving closer to his targets and getting ammo clips.  The closer you are the more damage you can do.   My vid was just to prove Widow can kill faster than Rev from safety (Long Range).  That is why I didn't move.  His video proves that someone with Widow can kill faster than Rev at short range.

No, his vid proves that Infiltrators are more potent with a Widow than soldiers are, which everyone already knew.  Apples and oranges.     You cant possibly expect anyone to take an Infiltrator Widow to Soldier Revenant  comparison seriously.

[Ulysseslotro]

Athenau wrote...

Wrong.  Sniper rifles have a 1x damage multiplier at all ranges and at close range nothing short of a reload-trick abusing Claymore can touch the Revenant.

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't.  He had two days to perfect that time.  I did it in an hour.  As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

[Gravbh]

I took the widow on my soldier simply because after playing around with the revenant, I found that I never used my shotgun again. The revenant tore everything apart at close range and was usable at medium range. It was a great all around weapon.



That was the problem however. I prefered to use the widow for long range, vindicator for medium range and a shotgun for close range. I didn't like completely ignoring one of my weapons, the shotgun, which I found myself doing when I had the revenant.



It's personal preference though.

[Athenau]

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

Edit:  Oh lol, your "comparison" was to an infiltrator with the widow?    Here's a hint Einstein, take a look at what happens when you fire the Widow during an adrenaline rush, and you'll know why doing a time comparison between the two is a dumb idea.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 09:17 .

[Ulysseslotro]

Spyndel wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Spyndel wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...


Then a day later someone other user posted a 1:30 with Widow on insanity. 
I

Heh, BTW, that Vid was with an Infiltrator, not a soldier.

Yes but keep in mind he was moving closer to his targets and getting ammo clips.  The closer you are the more damage you can do.   My vid was just to prove Widow can kill faster than Rev from safety (Long Range).  That is why I didn't move.  His video proves that someone with Widow can kill faster than Rev at short range.

No, his vid proves that Infiltrators are more potent with a Widow than soldiers are, which everyone already knew.  Apples and oranges.     You cant possibly expect anyone to take an Infiltrator Widow to Soldier Revenant  comparison seriously.

I don't want to debate if infils are better or not than Soldier.  Any class with Widow kills faster than any class with Rev.  Soldier still one shot tons of **** with Widow, and when they run out of that ammo they can switch to Vindicator or vice versa and still kill faster than a "bursting" Rev soldier.

[Siven80]

Its personal preference tbh.
Revenant is fantastic in shorter to medium ranges when you know ho to use it.
Widow is fantastic in long range, as its designed for.
They are both fantastic weapons. Neither is better than the other imo, but for a solder 75% of the game you can use just an Assault rifle as it great against all defenses. The other 25% of the time i will use a sniper in picky spots (and the collector platform area as its a perfect sniping area)
If you want to compare them against each other in vids ...well thats just useless and pathetic tbh. its shows nothing imo.

Modifié par Siven80, 28 février 2010 - 09:16 .

[Athenau]

He's trolling. Anyone who compares speedrunning an Infiltrator to a Soldier in an attempt to prove the virtue of one weapon over the other is either impossibly dense or trying to annoy people.

[Ulysseslotro]

Athenau wrote...

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

You're seriously mentally ill.  You defend Revenant like you have Stockholm Syndrome over it.  Vids prove Widow a faster killer.

[Athenau]

The vids don't prove anything. Your posts, on the other hand, prove that you're pretty dumb and should stop posting on the internet for everyone's benefit.

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

You're seriously mentally ill.  You defend Revenant like you have Stockholm Syndrome over it.  Vids prove Widow a faster killer.

your a hypocrite, your doing the exact samething as him.

I like both, and I prefer the Revenant simply because It fits me better than the Widow.

Modifié par A Fhaol Bhig, 28 février 2010 - 09:25 .

[Ulysseslotro]

Athenau wrote...

He's trolling. Anyone who compares speedrunning an Infiltrator to a Soldier in an attempt to prove the virtue of one weapon over the other is either impossibly dense or trying to annoy people.

You obviously have a perception problem with reality.  I posted a time better than the Rambo Rev with a Soldier with Widow within an hour of his post.  I was proving that even a Noob can beat 'Pro' Revs aslong as he has Widow.  My point was proven well in the vids.  It is too bad you can not face reality or you would know this.

[Athenau]

No, I really do think he's stupid or trolling. I mean, anyone who doesn't realize that soldiers spend half the game in slo-mo and therefore doing cross-class comparisons in wall-clock time is silly is either one or the other.

I posted a time better than the Rambo Rev with a Soldier with Widow
within an hour of his post.  I was proving that even a Noob can beat
'Pro' Revs aslong as he has Widow.  My point was proven well in the
vids.  It is too bad you can not face reality or you would know this.

You "proved" that in a fight that favors sniping the better sniping weapons wins.  Next I suppose you'll prove that water is wet and the sky is blue.  I guess you take your victories when you can find them, heh.

Modifié par Athenau, 28 février 2010 - 09:33 .

[Atmosfear3]

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

You're seriously mentally ill.  You defend Revenant like you have Stockholm Syndrome over it.  Vids prove Widow a faster killer.

Vids prove nothing.  All these supposed vids are taking place on the platforms.  Anybody can speed run through that, its irrelevant for the rest of the game.

[A Fhaol Bhig]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

You're seriously mentally ill.  You defend Revenant like you have Stockholm Syndrome over it.  Vids prove Widow a faster killer.

Vids prove nothing.  All these supposed vids are taking place on the platforms.  Anybody can speed run through that, its irrelevant for the rest of the game.

How about a speed run through the final part of the Reaper IFF mission with the Widow?

Or, wait, is that more tailored for the Revenant than the widow?

I guess its like using the platforms part which favors sniping, over close/medium range as your example.

[Ulysseslotro]

A Fhaol Bhig wrote...
your a hypocrite, your doing the exact samething as him.

Whatever fanboi.  They have no proof so your just defending their opinion based on your own bias. 

[Atmosfear3]

A Fhaol Bhig wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Ulysseslotro wrote...

Athenau wrote...

Well I thought they got a 1.25 bonus as short range but your right it doesn't. He had two days to perfect that time. I did it in an hour. As far as Revenant killing faster than Widow; well keep dreaming.

You're seriously retarded if you think the Widow kills faster at close range. I've taken down two guys in one adrenaline rush and another during the cooldown with the Revenant (and yes this is on insanity).

You're seriously mentally ill.  You defend Revenant like you have Stockholm Syndrome over it.  Vids prove Widow a faster killer.

Vids prove nothing.  All these supposed vids are taking place on the platforms.  Anybody can speed run through that, its irrelevant for the rest of the game.

How about a speed run through the final part of the Reaper IFF mission with the Widow?

Or, wait, is that more tailored for the Revenant than the widow?

I guess its like using the platforms part which favors sniping, over close/medium range as your example.

Forgive me, perhaps I used a poor choice of words.  What I meant to say is that weapons are effective depending on the situation.  There are weapons that are good for certain parts of the game and weapons that are good for general purposes.  The revenant is that weapon.  The vids prove nothing except that a situation which favors snipers is true.  Theres not dispute about that.  To gauge the entirety of the game that the widow is perfect for every situation is just plain ignorant.