In DA:O specifically, I find Bhelen a very spine-tingling antagonist, if not downright villain. Of course, he's all warm and fuzzy if you're a dwarven commoner, but to the dwarf noble, especially to a dwarf noble who then had to turn around and put him on the throne, he is downright nasty, and it's delicious to watch.
In Search of a Good Villain
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Posté 03 mars 2010 - 10:11
Kimarous
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Um... "antagonist" does not explicitly mean "antagonizing individual". From a technical standpoint, an "antagonist" is someone (or something) who prolongs the plot / central conflict, just as the protagonist is the person who keeps the plot moving. An antagonist doesn't even need to be a villain; it could just be someone (or something) that opposes a certain ideal, like a fish telling another fish the folly of leaving their fishbowl. Heck, a protagonist doesn't even have to be a good guy; just look at The Tragedy of Macbeth!
OT: It bugs me that everyone keeps talking about "Bioware villains" and almost no mention has been given to the mastermind of Jade Empire!
OT: It bugs me that everyone keeps talking about "Bioware villains" and almost no mention has been given to the mastermind of Jade Empire!
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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 12:33
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The antagonist is a chracter (or a group of characters) who directly oppose the main character (protagonist) in his mission. In your fishbowl example the fish speaking of the folly of leaving would be the antagonist by default (I smell a bestseller right there, if ever printed).
You are right however about the antagonist not neccesarily being 'the bad guy'. However in the case of heroic fantasy its more often than not the case (even though you can play as a bad guy, there is always someone meaner you have to take care of).
You are right however about the antagonist not neccesarily being 'the bad guy'. However in the case of heroic fantasy its more often than not the case (even though you can play as a bad guy, there is always someone meaner you have to take care of).
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Posté 04 mars 2010 - 12:44
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To be completely honest, the fishbowl example is actually from a short play I studied in my college's "Introduction to Scriptwriting" class. I can't remember it's title, but the basic story is that the one fish falls in love with "the big face" (his owner) and figures out a way to leave and be with here. Another fish tries to convince him otherwise, but he does so anyway... and promptly gets eaten by the owner's cat.
Also, I used the definition I got from the exact same class.
To use a different example, in a story that may simply be about one person crossing a desert, the harsh sun and wind would technically fall under "antagonists".
Also, I used the definition I got from the exact same class.
To use a different example, in a story that may simply be about one person crossing a desert, the harsh sun and wind would technically fall under "antagonists".
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