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[Sabriana]

I agree with you Errant_Knight. Sten, like all the other companions, grow during the quest if they are not just simply dumped in camp and ignored.

That the Qunari see war as something that will always come sooner or later is pointed out in the codex (I think). It says something like "they landed on Par Vollen and immediately started a war."

That reminds me that there is a "Did you ever try diplomacy" question somewhere in his dialogues, and I keep meaning to try that one out.

[marbatico]

Helios969 wrote...

Greifvogel wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Why do any of the characters need to be justified at all?

They needn't. But as they are flawed yet potentially appreciable, they're, as germans often say, Gesprächstoff.

Is that how it translates?

it means its just a subject to talk about.

[Sabriana]

Yeah. Our way of putting up the 'stand around the water-cooler' line

[nYshak]

Gesprächsstoff. Well, in that context you'd translate it with "gossip". Or Gespräch = conversation, Stoff = things, issues etc. would translate into this: "things, people worth talking about".

Modifié par nYshak, 28 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[Charsen]

My Warden released him because they were going to leave him to the Darkspawn in the cage, and so it was a mercy for Sten, but also to save Lothering's people from making such a cruel and twisted mistake on the eve of their own demise.

He figured at least Sten could travel with them for mutual benefit until they were out of the direct path of the Blight horde, and then if the Qunari wanted to challenge him or leave, so be it.

I have only taken Sten with me on a few adventures though, mostly because I don't really need his fighting style now that I have Shale... But I do wish I could find the guy some cookies. Maybe if we get him addicted to sweets, he won't tattle on us to the Qun. =)

Modifié par Charsen, 28 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[barkingM1]

To justify why the PC would have initially wanted to let Sten out, my characters' motives have ranged from "Cool - big strong cannon-fodder"  to "Hmm- there's more here than meets the eye."

Sten is definitely one of my favorite characters.   Apart from the unexpected humour - love his voice acting - , I always appreciate writing that gives me a glimpse into a well thought out culture with a different world-view from our own, and the Qunari are a case in point.  There's a wealth of intriguing information you overhear in his banter (especially with Shale)  which you can usually explore further in the "something you mentioned" dialogue choices:   the Tal-Vashoth, mages & magic, & one play-through I got a sequence discussing the parent-child relationship in Qunari society.   I think the trigger for that last was from passing the urchins in Denerim market, but haven't managed to get it again.

Sten's also all about stepping up and being accountable for your actions, not making excuses.  Look at his response to the Guardian's BS.  And I always seem to get an approval bump there whether I agree I made a "mistake" or not; what matters to him is I didn't evade the question.

I'm really hoping for a book set in the Qunari culture - the Fiends in Scheheron (spelling? oh well) dialogue alone is crying for a back-story.

[melkathi]

I always find it's worth pointing out that Sten refuses to leave the cage unless you prove that your cause is important (ie tell him you are a warden and are fighting the blight).

[Helios969]

nYshak wrote...

Gesprächsstoff. Well, in that context you'd translate it with "gossip". Or Gespräch = conversation, Stoff = things, issues etc. would translate into this: "things, people worth talking about".

Thanks!  The only German word I remember is dubishone (I'm sure that's horribly mispelled.)  If I recall properly it means 'you are beautiful.'  A weak attempt to pickup girls when I was over visiting for a month.  Sad, I know.

[nYshak]

Helios969 wrote...

nYshak wrote...

Gesprächsstoff. Well, in that context you'd translate it with "gossip". Or Gespräch = conversation, Stoff = things, issues etc. would translate into this: "things, people worth talking about".

Thanks!  The only German word I remember is dubishone (I'm sure that's horribly mispelled.)  If I recall properly it means 'you are beautiful.'  A weak attempt to pickup girls when I was over visiting for a month.  Sad, I know.

Try "Du bist schön" next time and you might get better results . BTT!

[Helios969]

nYshak wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

nYshak wrote...

Gesprächsstoff. Well, in that context you'd translate it with "gossip". Or Gespräch = conversation, Stoff = things, issues etc. would translate into this: "things, people worth talking about".

Thanks!  The only German word I remember is dubishone (I'm sure that's horribly mispelled.)  If I recall properly it means 'you are beautiful.'  A weak attempt to pickup girls when I was over visiting for a month.  Sad, I know.

Try "Du bist schön" next time and you might get better results . BTT!

Thanks.  Do you live there?  It was such a great experience.  I didn't want to come home.

[nYshak]

Yes I do. Don't know about the experience though



OT:

I always find it's worth pointing out that Sten refuses to leave the cage unless you prove that your cause is important (ie tell him you are a warden and are fighting the blight).

Telling him your a warden is not much proof I think. Also, as a rogue you can simply lockpick his cage and he will act like if you convinced the Revered Mother to release him, which, if you did, is much more "proof" that your cause is just (after all Sten should know that the Mother would not release him for nothing).

[Gilsa]

I like Sten because of how direct and no-nonsense he is. He doesn't mince his words and tells you flat out to your face what his opinions are. He didn't care about being left in the cage. He didn't bargain for his life and expressed surprise when he was released. So I didn't get the sense that he was "playing" the warden. If I wanted him to fight, then that's what he'd do. I also like that he doesn't try to be diplomatic -- he tells you if he sees you again in battle, he will not pursue you. Doesn't exactly say he will prevent his brothers from attacking you, just that he won't be joining in. That's definitely as honest and respectful as you can get.



I've had trouble raising his approval (couldn't get his personal quests for the first two games) so sometimes I resort to the conversation glitch where I can loop a question and get +4 every time it's asked. Just enough to get his personal quest unlocked and then his approval gets raised normally from there on.

[barkingM1]

Gilsa wrote...


I've had trouble raising his approval (couldn't get his personal quests for the first two games) so sometimes I resort to the conversation glitch where I can loop a question and get +4 every time it's asked. Just enough to get his personal quest unlocked and then his approval gets raised normally from there on.

One thing I found is as soon as he wants to stop talking, say 'let's go' and you get a decent bump every time.  He hates to be nagged & appreciates your being aware of that.  You can always click on him right away and start another conversation. 

[Masticetobbacco]

standing up against sten gains you approval

"Im not here to impress you" "very funny"



hes a pretty cool guy kills darkspawn and eh doesn't afraid of anything

[melkathi]

nYshak wrote...


Telling him your a warden is not much proof I think. Also, as a rogue you can simply lockpick his cage and he will act like if you convinced the Revered Mother to release him, which, if you did, is much more "proof" that your cause is just (after all Sten should know that the Mother would not release him for nothing).

My Warrior today had Sten tell him that he'd stay in the cage even with the door unlocked unless convinced otherwise.
Or at least that's how I understood the conversation.

Screenshot:

[guytza]

On my Dalish Elf playthrough, I was still very Shem-hating at the point I met Sten, so when they said he killed a family of humans I more or less responded with "So.....he did a public service?"



From a RP standpoint, its not hard to justify him. He's a soldier, and a strong one. He wants to fight Darkspawn and will follow you into the depths of the archdemons lair if you order him to. His only downfall is the whole 'murder' thing, which you can tell is something he regrets from the first moment you meet him, but it does give him a reason to fight so hard...regaining honor is a powerful motivator.



From a gameplay perspective, I find it harder. Sten is arguably the weakest of the warrior specs (2handed is far too slow), has only one specialization point that doesnt come until 14, and eventually shares his spot with Ohgren (who is almost exactly the same as Sten with + 1 spec point and bonus spell resistance). I believe he is even the only character that doesnt start out with their own unique accessory, just a rather easily replaced sword at the end of his personal quest, which requires getting past the evil evil brigands of the frostback mountains (I swear doing that at level 8 was harder than the darn archdemon).



On a side note, when the horde made its way to Lothering, do you really think that no one broke him out of jail, threw him a sword and said "You want to die fighting?" There is no way in my mind that Sten goes down without taking more than a few of the bastages with him.

[krylo]

guytza wrote...

On a side note, when the horde made its way to Lothering, do you really think that no one broke him out of jail, threw him a sword and said "You want to die fighting?" There is no way in my mind that Sten goes down without taking more than a few of the bastages with him.

I was of the opinion that they were in the process of evacuating Lothering, so... yes, I do think that no one broke him out/gave him a sword, as by the time the horde got there, I doubt there was anyone left.

[guytza]

krylo wrote...

guytza wrote...

On a side note, when the horde made its way to Lothering, do you really think that no one broke him out of jail, threw him a sword and said "You want to die fighting?" There is no way in my mind that Sten goes down without taking more than a few of the bastages with him.

I was of the opinion that they were in the process of evacuating Lothering, so... yes, I do think that no one broke him out/gave him a sword, as by the time the horde got there, I doubt there was anyone left.

Oh, I got the impression that they didnt get out in time and the towns folk were slaughtered. heh.

[krylo]

Both are valid I suppose.

I like mine better though, 'cause some of those town folk were pretty ok folks.  Like the bartender.

Poor townsfolk.

Modifié par krylo, 01 mars 2010 - 03:47 .

[nYshak]

There are some gossip npcs and even Bodhan you will tell you about the attack on Lothering. Some villagers got away but not all.

[Mlai00]

As a previous poster said, it all depends on your PC's origins. From a HN viewpoint, yes sure freeing Sten seems morally dubious, dangerous, and worrying for the future of Fereldan.

But as a dwarven commoner rogue, I had no moral inhibition about freeing Sten. Just our weird cage chat fascinated me enough to set him loose. His notions on honour was very different from the so-called honour that the dwarven nobles wave in the faces of the casteless; which is why I freed him. That and he's huge.

Do I worry he'll go berserk and kill me? I grew up around criminals and cut-throats.

Do I worry his people are going to come and conquer Fereldan? Phfft, just somebody different for the dwarves to trade with, that's all. In fact I prefer the Qunari; my first in-depth exposure to a Fereldan is Alistair... or Loghain... trust me it's not a hard choice.

If the Qunari like to fight so much, maybe they'll even come down and fight some Darkspawn for us. And if they really do conquer Orzhammar, do you think the casteless will shed a tear? They'll probably get something out of it.

[Gabey5]

i beat the game twice and never spoke to him... on my 3rd play i really enjoyed him and was pissed i didnt see his awesome before.... he is a great char

[Helios969]

Mlai00 wrote...

As a previous poster said, it all depends on your PC's origins. From a HN viewpoint, yes sure freeing Sten seems morally dubious, dangerous, and worrying for the future of Fereldan.
But as a dwarven commoner rogue, I had no moral inhibition about freeing Sten. Just our weird cage chat fascinated me enough to set him loose. His notions on honour was very different from the so-called honour that the dwarven nobles wave in the faces of the casteless; which is why I freed him. That and he's huge.
Do I worry he'll go berserk and kill me? I grew up around criminals and cut-throats.
Do I worry his people are going to come and conquer Fereldan? Phfft, just somebody different for the dwarves to trade with, that's all. In fact I prefer the Qunari; my first in-depth exposure to a Fereldan is Alistair... or Loghain... trust me it's not a hard choice.
If the Qunari like to fight so much, maybe they'll even come down and fight some Darkspawn for us. And if they really do conquer Orzhammar, do you think the casteless will shed a tear? They'll probably get something out of it.

Some good insights.  I have to admit I was thinking purely from a Human Noble's viewpoint.  Now that you bring up the dwarves, I think about the miserable conditions in the Alienage.  The elves might very well welcome a Qunari invasion with open arms.  From their point of view the Qunari cannot be any worse than the "Shems."  It might be considerably better.