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[Skyblade012]

During the Collector Ship mission, EDI compares the ship's signatures to those of "known Collector profiles" to determine that the ship you were on was the same ship as the one on Horizon and the same one that had destroyed the original Normandy.  But doesn't that statement imply that the Collectors have more than one ship?  Otherwise there wouldn't be any real comparing to do.  But there is only one ship that we see or interact with during the entire game.  I doubt there were any more docked on the station, or they would have attacked us as well.  So where are the rest of the Collectors, and what are they up to?  And did the Reapers abandon them along with the ones on the station, or will we encounter them during ME3?

[Spinnazie]

I assume they only had one ship, and at the time no one knew how many ships they had exactly.

[Vaenier]

There was only one ship. I killed it. There are no more ships. All Collectors died... the end.

[Burdokva]

If there are "known profiles", that means the exact opposite of nobody knowing...

As in another thread I posted, it's likely that all other Collectors ships - as the station was clearly able to house more than one - would have been on docked and powered down, with their crews in hibernation on the station. It's unlikely they keep a fleet prepared for battle, as the Oculus - drones would have taken care of most ships. Though that slipped past them would have been taken care of by the Collector cruiser that's on stand-by. Also, we don't know if that's the exact same ship we already met on Horizon and during the ambush.

Joker's comment about "an old friend" simply implies that it's the same type of ship. I seriously doubt he could visually identify between various Collector vessels from thousands of kilometers...

Last, if most of the Collectors were hibernating, their ships powered down it could explain why Shepard's team encountered little resistance. There simply isn't any reason for the Collectors to expect an attack and maintain their population active.

Modifié par Burdokva, 28 février 2010 - 05:36 .

[Vaenier]

Burdokva wrote...

Last, if most of the Collectors were hibernating, their ships powered down it could explain why Shepard's team encountered little resistance. There simply isn't any reason for the Collectors to expect an attack and maintain their population active.

Except they knew Shep had a Reaper IFF... And wanted to save his crew... And knew where they lived...

[Bravenu3]

I find it strange that there would only be one ship and one base... But it fits with the story. Therefore I guess ALL Collectors are wiped out, even if you kept the base itself.

[Burdokva]

Vaenier wrote...

Except they knew Shep had a Reaper IFF... And wanted to save his crew... And knew where they lived...

That's why the Collector's ships weren't standing by next to the exit point of the Omega-4 relays, weapons at the ready and every single one mobilized for combat? Yes, they were totally ready...

If it wasn't for EDI, the Normandy SR-2 would have been crew-less and stranded in space, or at the very least not combat ready. The Collector's had no reason at all to expect Shepard would attack them after the IFF debacle. 

[epoch_]

I kind of assumed thats what shepard will be doing in the off time between me2 and me3.



Hunting down any remaing collectors/ships.

[fivefingaslap18]

Burdokva wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Except they knew Shep had a Reaper IFF... And wanted to save his crew... And knew where they lived...

That's why the Collector's ships weren't standing by next to the exit point of the Omega-4 relays, weapons at the ready and every single one mobilized for combat? Yes, they were totally ready...

If it wasn't for EDI, the Normandy SR-2 would have been crew-less and stranded in space, or at the very least not combat ready. The Collector's had no reason at all to expect Shepard would attack them after the IFF debacle. 

True, Collectors knew Cerberus had Reaper IFF. Therefore, when they interecepted them they took the crew. Crew reduced to Joker. The Collectors did not know. When the rest of the shipmates came back, they would not know. Possible for them to know that the ship had an A.I. However, more likely: they expected no resistance.

Most likely there were other ships. In all likelyhood, either way, all Collectors killed no matter which choice taken. If there are any left, will they regain sapience? Uncertain, unless they are encountered in DLC or ME3. Again, uncertain... possible either is true.

[Skyblade012]

Given that colonies vanished one at a time, it is unlikely that multiple Collector ships were involved in the abductions. That does not mean that there were not other Collectors on a different mission to help their Reaper masters.



I really think that the Collectors are gone. But I thought the possibility was there that some might remain, and that it might be worth discussing. If there are still Collectors in the galaxy, where might they be hiding, and what mission might they be on?

[Legbiter]

Shepard killed the Collector general and Harbinger released his control. Any Collectors left out in space would have died since the only thing keeping 'em alive was the cybernetic link they had with the CG and and Harbinger.

[glasgoo21]

epoch_ wrote...

I kind of assumed thats what shepard will be doing in the off time between me2 and me3.

Hunting down any remaing collectors/ships.

Oh, sweet irony, having ME3 start just as ME2, that would s**k

[Dr. Catt]

I find it hard to believe that the Collectors had a single base and a single ship.



This is based partly on the familiarity that most people you talk to seem to have with them. It's also based on the fact that it doesn't make much sense. Everyone recognises the name even if no one really knows anymore than that. Also a race that does so much 'trading' for specimens would suggest more than one vessel to do said trading - even if they are smaller frigate-like vessels.



The Collector ship appears to be roughly the same size as Sovereign. If you're a largely covert, secretive species, you don't want your only vessel to be the biggest in the known galaxy (pretty much). You want an ability to travel whilst drawing little attention - picking up trades (dropped off or face to face), specimens etc.



Given that the Collectors are tools of the Reapers it would be sensible for the Reapers to maintain more than one population of them. I would think anyway.

[Vaenier]

Burdokva wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Except they knew Shep had a Reaper IFF... And wanted to save his crew... And knew where they lived...

That's why the Collector's ships weren't standing by next to the exit point of the Omega-4 relays, weapons at the ready and every single one mobilized for combat? Yes, they were totally ready...

If it wasn't for EDI, the Normandy SR-2 would have been crew-less and stranded in space, or at the very least not combat ready. The Collector's had no reason at all to expect Shepard would attack them after the IFF debacle. 

The fact is, The collectors knew the Normandy escaped their trap, with a working Reaper IFF, and had ticked off Shepard by taking his personal crew and friends. Only an idiot would think he would just give up and not try to save them.

Its just more bad writing on Bioware's part.

[Skyblade012]

Dr. Catt wrote...

I find it hard to believe that the Collectors had a single base and a single ship.

This is based partly on the familiarity that most people you talk to seem to have with them. It's also based on the fact that it doesn't make much sense. Everyone recognises the name even if no one really knows anymore than that. Also a race that does so much 'trading' for specimens would suggest more than one vessel to do said trading - even if they are smaller frigate-like vessels.

 
They don't do a "lot" of trading, from what we hear.  They've just been doing it for a long time.  I doubt they would need more than one ship to do it.

The Collector ship appears to be roughly the same size as Sovereign. If you're a largely covert, secretive species, you don't want your only vessel to be the biggest in the known galaxy (pretty much). You want an ability to travel whilst drawing little attention - picking up trades (dropped off or face to face), specimens etc.

 
Wrong.  Sovereign is a superdreadnaught, the Collector ship is a Cruiser.

Modifié par Skyblade012, 28 février 2010 - 06:10 .

[Turkeysock]

fivefingaslap18 wrote...

Burdokva wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Except they knew Shep had a Reaper IFF... And wanted to save his crew... And knew where they lived...

That's why the Collector's ships weren't standing by next to the exit point of the Omega-4 relays, weapons at the ready and every single one mobilized for combat? Yes, they were totally ready...

If it wasn't for EDI, the Normandy SR-2 would have been crew-less and stranded in space, or at the very least not combat ready. The Collector's had no reason at all to expect Shepard would attack them after the IFF debacle. 

True, Collectors knew Cerberus had Reaper IFF. Therefore, when they interecepted them they took the crew. Crew reduced to Joker. The Collectors did not know. When the rest of the shipmates came back, they would not know. Possible for them to know that the ship had an A.I. However, more likely: they expected no resistance.

Most likely there were other ships. In all likelyhood, either way, all Collectors killed no matter which choice taken. If there are any left, will they regain sapience? Uncertain, unless they are encountered in DLC or ME3. Again, uncertain... possible either is true.

They are partly sapient as it is, but if there is any Collectors out in the galaxy, it is doubtful that they would regain their independence from the Reapers. As Mordin said, their bodies are failing, and the only reason why they've remained capable of doing what Harbinger wanted was because they replaced their failing systems with Reaper tech. And presumably, Harbinger has been directing them on all their major activities, probably even when it came to the purchase of other races for testing.

Perhaps we will meet some independent Collectors further down in a DLC, but I personally don't believe that to happen. Any Collectors who weren't there during the destruction of their base/or of the remaining Collectors, will either be as mindless as the husks they controlled, or they are confused and at a loss without Harbinger/Collector General guiding them. In either case, they will be extremely dangerous to deal with.

[eternalnightmare13]

Legbiter wrote...

Shepard killed the Collector general and Harbinger released his control. Any Collectors left out in space would have died since the only thing keeping 'em alive was the cybernetic link they had with the CG and and Harbinger.

Your logic is refreshing.

[Fjordgnu]

There are two reasons I see as plausible for why the Collectors would send only one ship to deal with the Normandy after the jump through the Omega 4 relay.



The first, the least outlandish one, is that they simply had no reason to expect the Normandy would be able to withstand their attacks, certainly not go toe-to-toe with a ship of that size, with a main gun of that power. It's easy to second-guess a decision like that from our point of view, but putting yourself in the shoes of the Collectors, there's no reason to send more than one.



The second and less plausible hypothesis is that it's more evidence of the Collectors' obsession with Shepard. Given that the same ship hounds you over a period of two years, you're forced to conclude that either it's the only ship they have of that size, or that it is in some way the "personal" ship of the Collector General, and that he is trying to deal with you personally. Or Harbinger. Whichever. Substitute one for that other.



For people talking about how the size of the Collector ship would make it hard to stay hidden, I think you're underestimating the great distances involved. You're not going to detect a ship using only visual contact over any significant distance. Given that they had the technology to negate the Normandy's stealth systems, it's entirely plausible they would have some other means of staying hidden. It does have a rather large radar cross section, I'll give you that, though. Unless the organic material it's seemingly made from has some special properties, that would make sense.

[Dr. Catt]

Fjordgnu wrote...

For people talking about how the size of the Collector ship would make it hard to stay hidden, I think you're underestimating the great distances involved. You're not going to detect a ship using only visual contact over any significant distance. Given that they had the technology to negate the Normandy's stealth systems, it's entirely plausible they would have some other means of staying hidden. It does have a rather large radar cross section, I'll give you that, though. Unless the organic material it's seemingly made from has some special properties, that would make sense.

Just quoting the bit I want to address.

Of course you're right that in the vastness of the space the difference in the size between the collector ship and, say, the Normandy is actually tiny.

I guess what I was trying to say was that the sheer size of the ship is indicated to be for harvesting Earth - or in reality may just be for large-scale harvesting of any species. Anyway. Prior to the Collectors hitting Human colonies it was stated they only ever took a dozen or so individuals at a time. Did the Collectors use this ship for those small raids and trades?

It doesn't make a huge amount of sense. In those situtations a massive ship is not only unecessary but impractical. I would think anyway.

Maybe the Collectors like to be austentatious!?

At the end of the day it's Sci-Fi and it doesn't have to make sense (I know many people do think it makes sense but you know what I mean!)

[Miqti]

I have to wonder that, in order to have been such a great threat to humanity, the Collector base would be able to jump... how else would they take Earth's population? The ship takes colonies at a time... and the base has apparently many more pods - required for the human based reaper. Can you imagine how many times the ship would have to go back and forth between Earth and the base to collect enough people?!

[Turkeysock]

Miqti wrote...

I have to wonder that, in order to have been such a great threat to humanity, the Collector base would be able to jump... how else would they take Earth's population? The ship takes colonies at a time... and the base has apparently many more pods - required for the human based reaper. Can you imagine how many times the ship would have to go back and forth between Earth and the base to collect enough people?!

They never said it was going to Earth. It was said by your team mates that there's enough space to take every human in every colony in the Terminus system, and still have more room. And Earth was mentioned as a possible target. There is no actual proof that they were planning on invading Earth. If they've taken all of the human colonies in the Terminus systems, then they'd aim for the other more established human colonies in Council Space.

Besides, even if they were going to aim for Earth, they'd certainly need more ships, they'd have to go through the Arcturus Fleet, which has the 1st, 2nd, and the 5th fleet stationed there. Even a single Reaper wouldn't be able to get past that. Plus there are also the various human fleets that are probably only a jump or two from the station.

But really, it never sounded like they were ever going to invade Earth.