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[The Angry One]

I don't think psychological trauma is a big issue in Reaper conversion given that you're turned into slush, including your brain.

The idea that the organic material contributes to the Reaper personality at all (how could it anyway, it's like saying your PC's plastic case contributes to processing power) contradicts Legion's dialog that Nazara was made up of programs.

[MSeven]

Skyblade012 wrote...

Of course it wasn't complete. Look at the thing. It's tiny. Go play ME1 again. Remember the part where Saren stops the elevator, and you have to run up the side of the Presidium tower? Look in the background and Sovereign in those shots. Sovereign was easily ten times the size of that larva, if not more so.

Sovereign was 2 Km (2000meters) long (stated in the codex).

The Reaper Larva was definitively less than 50meters tall (more like 30 to 40).

[ThisIDrokz]

Or perhaps humans have been the only organic to make the change from organic to machine so fast, thus far( i.e. Husks) and the reapers were experimenting with them to see if they could better themselves. That could explain the "human reaper" at the end. Also it explains why we see only human husks and why the collectors only go after human colonies.

[Akeashar]

iirc, the reason for there not being a Prothean reaper is that when they tried to create one, they failed. Humanity was the next race that was deemed worthy by the Reapers to have a Reaper created from them, and they were specifically after Shepard to be a part of it. Whether purely as human milkshake, or in some other form, not enough info to compute.

[The Angry One]

Personally I think we only see human husks because BioWare are lazy.

It's not like we see any human female husks either.

[ThisIDrokz]

Yeah but Im tryin to throw them a bone here!!!

[AdamBoozer]

Im not even going to correct you this time just go to horizon agian for the husk part.



What Legion meant by programs was people and there memorys. There race was called nazara. The memorys and tech are transfered over. Going along with what you said combine two computers and you have double the power so combine millions of humans and you have millions of times the power from just one. Much like the geth's interconetivity. You don't have to "think" it's already explained if you would just pay attetnion to the game or read the thread i supplied on the first page.

[NoUserNameHere]

The tentacle bits could just be a mask of some kind. If you were to peel all the armor down to the core you would see their true form.

[ThisIDrokz]

Except humans aren't geth and as such do not necessarily function better if more are put together. And what do you mean correct me about the husks?

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not even going to correct you this time just go to horizon agian for the husk part.

What Legion meant by programs was people and there memorys. There race was called nazara. The memorys and tech are transfered over. Going along with what you said combine two computers and you have double the power so combine millions of humans and you have millions of times the power from just one. Much like the geth's interconetivity. You don't have to "think" it's already explained if you would just pay attetnion to the game or read the thread i supplied on the first page.

No, Nazara was what the programs within Sovereign identified themselves as. Sovereign in ME1 said "we are each a nation", Sovereign's "nation" was Nazara. They're programs, and at no point are they ever said to be anything else.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The lesson? Shellfish are ***holes who will try to turn themselves into machines so they can repeatedly purge the galaxy.

[ThisIDrokz]

ReconTeam wrote...

The lesson? Shellfish are ***holes who will try to turn themselves into machines so they can repeatedly purge the galaxy.

/\\ Nuff said....

[AdamBoozer]

Just go to horizon again thisIdrokz . . . Think about it, we convey information much the same way the geth do. we speak information though verbal comnication the geth send it at FTL speeds to each other through a hub. So millions of humans together all there memorys and all communicating instantly would be far better then just one. We as humans just look down on people with multiple persinailitys and see it as a disease in reality it boast an advantage.



NoUserNameHere that is the general theory going around that the orginal race is inside the shell.

[Geth Knight]

ReconTeam wrote...

The lesson? Shellfish are ***holes who will try to turn themselves into machines so they can repeatedly purge the galaxy.

So we should eat more shrimp!

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not even going to correct you this time just go to horizon agian for the husk part.

What Legion meant by programs was people and there memorys. There race was called nazara. The memorys and tech are transfered over. Going along with what you said combine two computers and you have double the power so combine millions of humans and you have millions of times the power from just one. Much like the geth's interconetivity. You don't have to "think" it's already explained if you would just pay attetnion to the game or read the thread i supplied on the first page.

No, Nazara was what the programs within Sovereign identified themselves as. Sovereign in ME1 said "we are each a nation", Sovereign's "nation" was Nazara. They're programs, and at no point are they ever said to be anything else.

Foolish of you not to asume nothing of it but what they said. They called themselves nazara because there species was once called it. It is the prevailing theory.

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Just go to horizon again thisIdrokz . . . Think about it, we convey information much the same way the geth do. we speak information though verbal comnication the geth send it at FTL speeds to each other through a hub. So millions of humans together all there memorys and all communicating instantly would be far better then just one. We as humans just look down on people with multiple persinailitys and see it as a disease in reality it boast an advantage.

NoUserNameHere that is the general theory going around that the orginal race is inside the shell.

We don't communicate anything like the Geth. The Geth were VIs designed for interconnectivity to be more efficient at certain tasks. Each individual VI isn't sapient, they only achieve it by networking hundreds together.
Human brains don't work that way.. and it wouldn't matter even if they could because, and I can't stress this enough, they are melted into slush

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Foolish of you not to asume nothing of it but what they said. They called themselves nazara because there species was once called it. It is the prevailing theory.

That's a theory based on nothing that ignores dialog.
Using this logic, I say that the prevailing theory is that Reapers are descendants of Blasto who went back in time and manufactured an army of killbots.

[Wild Still]

ReconTeam wrote...

The lesson? Shellfish are ***holes who will try to turn themselves into machines so they can repeatedly purge the galaxy.

The new Normandy has a huge cargo hold, I'ma fill it with garlic butter and go **** up some reapers.

[ThisIDrokz]

But humans have emotions and morals, this impacts decisions and the amount of time it takes us to make decisions and humans by nature dont always agree and most disagreements end in conflict. We would not be able to just take all our minds and hook it up to a big *** hub and expect it to work just like the geth. The only reason it works for them is because they were designed by the quarians to work better in groups and once their intelligence was high enough they began to upgrade that process further.

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Just go to horizon again thisIdrokz . . . Think about it, we convey information much the same way the geth do. we speak information though verbal comnication the geth send it at FTL speeds to each other through a hub. So millions of humans together all there memorys and all communicating instantly would be far better then just one. We as humans just look down on people with multiple persinailitys and see it as a disease in reality it boast an advantage.

NoUserNameHere that is the general theory going around that the orginal race is inside the shell.

We don't communicate anything like the Geth. The Geth were VIs designed for interconnectivity to be more efficient at certain tasks. Each individual VI isn't sapient, they only achieve it by networking hundreds together.
Human brains don't work that way.. and it wouldn't matter even if they could because, and I can't stress this enough, they are melted into slush

Incorrect again. They were never Vi's They are strong AI. Geth were Ai's with animal intelegince that were meant to perform small task. When it was discovered they could preform task better if they were connected to each other they started connecting more and more and eventually they became self aware and asked if they had a soul.

Human's have a neural network inside there brain of sevearl comunicating neurons and store information chemically while the geth store them in hubs and in programs. One EDI is like one geth ai program.  Yes they are melted into an organic metele and sent into a super structure (the reaper) We do not know how the knoledge is transfered yet we just know that it is done.

[AdamBoozer]

ThisIDrokz wrote...

But humans have emotions and morals, this impacts decisions and the amount of time it takes us to make decisions and humans by nature dont always agree and most disagreements end in conflict. We would not be able to just take all our minds and hook it up to a big *** hub and expect it to work just like the geth. The only reason it works for them is because they were designed by the quarians to work better in groups and once their intelligence was high enough they began to upgrade that process further.

Incorrect. If we were able to think at FTL speeds as they do we would be able to do this. They think with logic and do not always agree as shepard said to legion this must take some time as it would take us some time but legion said they think at the speed of light or greater and he can review his entire time aboard the normandy in seconds. So They can make decisons much faster. They do not understand emotions but know we have emotions and understand that we fear them.

They have morals though. I think . . . I can't think of a source that refrenced it though so don't take my word on that.

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Incorrect again. They were never Vi's They are strong AI. Geth were Ai's with animal intelegince that were meant to perform small task. When it was discovered they could preform task better if they were connected to each other they started connecting more and more and eventually they became self aware and asked if they had a soul.

Listen to Legion's dialog before talking, he outright says they were VIs.

Human's have a neural network inside there brain of sevearl comunicating neurons and store information chemically while the geth store them in hubs and in programs. One EDI is like one geth ai program.  Yes they are melted into an organic metele and sent into a super structure (the reaper) We do not know how the knoledge is transfered yet we just know that it is done.

No we don't. What part of the human reaper tells you it has any human knowledge whatsoever? It merely looks like a vague approximation of a human skeleton.
Even if they replicated an organic neural network brain (which contradicts Legion's dialog again) it still wouldn't have anything of the personalities that went into it BECAUSE THEY WERE DESTROYED.

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Foolish of you not to asume nothing of it but what they said. They called themselves nazara because there species was once called it. It is the prevailing theory.

That's a theory based on nothing that ignores dialog.
Using this logic, I say that the prevailing theory is that Reapers are descendants of Blasto who went back in time and manufactured an army of killbots.

Then you would be an ignorant fool who will never accept any progress in theorys or the such.

You have not even placed any proof to prove this theory wrong nor has anyone. So it is widly acceptedd to be the most probable thing. There is dialog legions dialog suggest this.

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Then you would be an ignorant fool who will never accept any progress in theorys or the such.

You have not even placed any proof to prove this theory wrong nor has anyone. So it is widly acceptedd to be the most probable thing. There is dialog legions dialog suggest this.

Alright since you don't get it I'll say it plainly.
I'm mocking you because you are making crap up.

[Llandaryn]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Human's have a neural network inside there brain of sevearl comunicating neurons and store information chemically while the geth store them in hubs and in programs. One EDI is like one geth ai program.  Yes they are melted into an organic metele and sent into a super structure (the reaper) We do not know how the knoledge is transfered yet we just know that it is done.

I don't know about you, but if me and a millions or so of my fellow humans were put through the traumatic experience of having our bodies turned into slush, we sure as hell wouldn't join the Reapers in their nefarious galaxy-wide slaughter. We'd be all like "Hell yeah, look at all this power we got! Let's stick it to the Reapers then go surfing or something!"

In short, making your enemy consciously more powerful is the stupidest idea in the world. Why would they put a million functional human brains/personalities together and give them a body as powerful as their own? More likely that as someone else said, they're completely melted to slush to fuel the Reaper. If they retained anything of themselves other than the fact that they know they're humans, they wouldn't stand for what the Reapers are doing.