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[JediMB]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only who thinks that the Reaper-human was a unique experiment, brought into existence solely because of Sovereign's defeat at the hands of Shepard.

Sometimes. Obviously not the reality of the situation.

All Reapers being constructed from organic matter completely contradicts Sovereign's little speech about organic life in ME1, after all.

Modifié par JediMB, 28 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[mentosman8]

Also, to those saying the minds of those used to make a reaper are non-existent, Legion actually implies quite differently. After the suicide mission, he talks about how the humans had a chance at what they want, true unity, all working as one. I don't think being killed and having an AI written on a shell of your species construes unity.

[ThisIDrokz]

Word /\\

[mentosman8]

Llandaryn wrote...

I don't know about you, but if me and a millions or so of my fellow humans were put through the traumatic experience of having our bodies turned into slush, we sure as hell wouldn't join the Reapers in their nefarious galaxy-wide slaughter. We'd be all like "Hell yeah, look at all this power we got! Let's stick it to the Reapers then go surfing or something!"

In short, making your enemy consciously more powerful is the stupidest idea in the world. Why would they put a million functional human brains/personalities together and give them a body as powerful as their own? More likely that as someone else said, they're completely melted to slush to fuel the Reaper. If they retained anything of themselves other than the fact that they know they're humans, they wouldn't stand for what the Reapers are doing.

I think you're forgetting one of the Reapers powers... A little thing called indoctrination

[The Angry One]

mentosman8 wrote...

Also, to those saying the minds of those used to make a reaper are non-existent, Legion actually implies quite differently. After the suicide mission, he talks about how the humans had a chance at what they want, true unity, all working as one. I don't think being killed and having an AI written on a shell of your species construes unity.

Legion is being metaphorical. He's stating that, ironically, those humans achieved what the Geth would want - a single unified being.
Legion does NOT however approve of it and states that by rejecting the collector base and destroying it humans are "more like Geth than they thought".

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Incorrect again. They were never Vi's They are strong AI. Geth were Ai's with animal intelegince that were meant to perform small task. When it was discovered they could preform task better if they were connected to each other they started connecting more and more and eventually they became self aware and asked if they had a soul.

Listen to Legion's dialog before talking, he outright says they were VIs.

Human's have a neural network inside there brain of sevearl comunicating neurons and store information chemically while the geth store them in hubs and in programs. One EDI is like one geth ai program.  Yes they are melted into an organic metele and sent into a super structure (the reaper) We do not know how the knoledge is transfered yet we just know that it is done.

No we don't. What part of the human reaper tells you it has any human knowledge whatsoever? It merely looks like a vague approximation of a human skeleton.
Even if they replicated an organic neural network brain (which contradicts Legion's dialog again) it still wouldn't have anything of the personalities that went into it BECAUSE THEY WERE DESTROYED.

Moron a VI is a virtual intelegence.  Like the VI's you find on the citadel. He said that each platform is EQUAL to one of your vi programs.
Don't bealive me?

Yes we do. There is no existing human reaper anymore to aks that. But we have humans. A human reaper wouldn't have this. Harbinger "Though destruction we are your salvation." Destruction is creation of something new. The DNA and everything is still there in one form or another.

http://www.sfn.org/i...e=core_concepts
http://www.nap.edu/o...?record_id=6160
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

[Kenshen]

Akeashar wrote...

iirc, the reason for there not being a Prothean reaper is that when they tried to create one, they failed. Humanity was the next race that was deemed worthy by the Reapers to have a Reaper created from them, and they were specifically after Shepard to be a part of it. Whether purely as human milkshake, or in some other form, not enough info to compute.

Only reason why I see they are after Shepard is because he/she has become a huge pain in the ass.  If they really wanted him why would they completely destroy the first Normandy and allow all the escape pods to get away.  I could see where problems would arise considering you have a race that has never considered itself wrong and completely above everything else getting owned by something that would be considered less than a bug.

[The Angry One]

mentosman8 wrote...

I think you're forgetting one of the Reapers powers... A little thing called indoctrination

Indoctrination turns beings into puppets. The more indoctrinated, the less independant and useful you are.
Why the hell would they want a Reaper to be a puppet?

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Then you would be an ignorant fool who will never accept any progress in theorys or the such.

You have not even placed any proof to prove this theory wrong nor has anyone. So it is widly acceptedd to be the most probable thing. There is dialog legions dialog suggest this.

Alright since you don't get it I'll say it plainly.
I'm mocking you because you are making crap up.

I am making nothing up. I will give sources from now on. You are the one who is placing your oppion alone. Legion " I am mearly stateing facts."

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Moron a VI is a virtual intelegence.  Like the VI's you find on the citadel. He said that each platform is EQUAL to one of your vi programs.
Don't bealive me?

Down to flaming are we? I'm talking about the original processes and how they were designed.
True sapience and thus artificial intelligence isn't achieved until they are networked, how can you miss this?

Yes we do. There is no existing human reaper anymore to aks that. But we have humans. A human reaper wouldn't have this. Harbinger "Though destruction we are your salvation." Destruction is creation of something new. The DNA and everything is still there in one form or another.

http://www.sfn.org/i...e=core_concepts
http://www.nap.edu/o...?record_id=6160
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

Yes because Harbinger NEVER uses hyperbole.
God it's like talking to a loaf of bread.

[Sanzee]

That sh*t's deep man.

So deep.

Modifié par Sanzee, 28 février 2010 - 09:02 .

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Then you would be an ignorant fool who will never accept any progress in theorys or the such.

You have not even placed any proof to prove this theory wrong nor has anyone. So it is widly acceptedd to be the most probable thing. There is dialog legions dialog suggest this.

Alright since you don't get it I'll say it plainly.
I'm mocking you because you are making crap up.

I am making nothing up. I will give sources from now on. You are the one who is placing your oppion alone. Legion " I am mearly stateing facts."

Your sources are irrelevant, you're still making wild assumptions based on nothing.

[AdamBoozer]

Llandaryn wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Human's have a neural network inside there brain of sevearl comunicating neurons and store information chemically while the geth store them in hubs and in programs. One EDI is like one geth ai program.  Yes they are melted into an organic metele and sent into a super structure (the reaper) We do not know how the knoledge is transfered yet we just know that it is done.

I don't know about you, but if me and a millions or so of my fellow humans were put through the traumatic experience of having our bodies turned into slush, we sure as hell wouldn't join the Reapers in their nefarious galaxy-wide slaughter. We'd be all like "Hell yeah, look at all this power we got! Let's stick it to the Reapers then go surfing or something!"

In short, making your enemy consciously more powerful is the stupidest idea in the world. Why would they put a million functional human brains/personalities together and give them a body as powerful as their own? More likely that as someone else said, they're completely melted to slush to fuel the Reaper. If they retained anything of themselves other than the fact that they know they're humans, they wouldn't stand for what the Reapers are doing.

Do you think they wouldn't have safe guards to protect them from this? They copy information over or extract it do you think they cannnot change it? Yes if that were so they left all that freedom then the humans wouldn't be the only ones to fight back. But I like what you said gives me an idea of what we might do in the third. Lift off the safe guards of all reapers. But who knows.

[JediMB]

The Angry One wrote...

God it's like talking to a loaf of bread.

Except with a loaf of bread you could always hypothesize that there's a hidden higher intelligence, since it never says anything stupid to contradict that.

Modifié par JediMB, 28 février 2010 - 09:04 .

[ThisIDrokz]

JediMB wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

God it's like talking to a loaf of bread.

Except with a loaf of bread you could always hypothesize that there's a hidden higher intelligence, since it never says anything stupid to contradict that.

you have some lame *** bread then.

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Moron a VI is a virtual intelegence.  Like the VI's you find on the citadel. He said that each platform is EQUAL to one of your vi programs.
Don't bealive me?

Down to flaming are we? I'm talking about the original processes and how they were designed.
True sapience and thus artificial intelligence isn't achieved until they are networked, how can you miss this?

Yes we do. There is no existing human reaper anymore to aks that. But we have humans. A human reaper wouldn't have this. Harbinger "Though destruction we are your salvation." Destruction is creation of something new. The DNA and everything is still there in one form or another.

http://www.sfn.org/i...e=core_concepts
http://www.nap.edu/o...?record_id=6160
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron

Yes because Harbinger NEVER uses hyperbole.
God it's like talking to a loaf of bread.

A flame with the correct answer yes. You speak purely of your own oppion and reject everyone else's even when presented with facts and proof. No he was quite literal. It is kinda obvious no proof needed for it. They do not lie. lol

but i am done with you. if you want to post your OPPINON please do so. But don't try and pass it off as fact and if someone shows you the proof don't continue to support yours. Any progress though be making you incorrect is still progress and should be welcomed.

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...

A flame with the correct answer yes. You speak purely of your own oppion and reject everyone else's even when presented with facts and proof. No he was quite literal. It is kinda obvious no proof needed for it. They do not lie. lol

but i am done with you. if you want to post your OPPINON please do so. But don't try and pass it off as fact and if someone shows you the proof don't continue to support yours. Any progress though be making you incorrect is still progress and should be welcomed.

A flame with facts might have some merit.
Too bad you're only posting opinion as fact.

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Then you would be an ignorant fool who will never accept any progress in theorys or the such.

You have not even placed any proof to prove this theory wrong nor has anyone. So it is widly acceptedd to be the most probable thing. There is dialog legions dialog suggest this.

Alright since you don't get it I'll say it plainly.
I'm mocking you because you are making crap up.

Your sources are irrelevant, you're still making wild assumptions based on nothing.

I am making nothing up. I will give sources from now on. You are the one who is placing your oppion alone. Legion " I am mearly stateing facts."

Are you serius? Be an ignorant jerk then. I haven't made any asumptions. Nothing I say certainly isn't wild either. That is a huge contradiction. If you aren't even willing to look at a source and read it or watch it how would you even know if it was wrong or not? I suggest you take your emotions out of your post too. Just makes you look like a troll. . . expecially when you post nonsence like this.

[AdamBoozer]

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

A flame with the correct answer yes. You speak purely of your own oppion and reject everyone else's even when presented with facts and proof. No he was quite literal. It is kinda obvious no proof needed for it. They do not lie. lol

but i am done with you. if you want to post your OPPINON please do so. But don't try and pass it off as fact and if someone shows you the proof don't continue to support yours. Any progress though be making you incorrect is still progress and should be welcomed.

A flame with facts might have some merit.
Too bad you're only posting opinion as fact.

If you want I can do huge paraphrases for now on so you can understand. but you won't read it because your ignorant.

[The Angry One]

AdamBoozer wrote...
 your ignorant.

[Emperor Mars]

[AdamBoozer]

The geth are a race of networked artificial intelligences that reside beyond the Perseus Veil. The geth were created sometime around 1900 CE by the quarians, as laborers and tools of war. When the geth became sentient and began to question their masters, the quarians attempted to exterminate them. The geth won the resulting war, and reduced the quarians to a race of nomads.



The history of the geth's creation and evolution serves as a warning to the rest of the galaxy of the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and to the legally enforced, systematic repression of artificial intelligences throughout galactic society.



Best size estimates on the geth fleet range from 5,000 to 10,000 ships with unknown armament.



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In fact, the Reapers are an extremely advanced race of synthetic/organic warships. They reside in the unexplored region referred to as dark space, the empty, starless space between galaxies. They hibernate there, dormant for thousands of years, before they are given the signal to return. Their origins are completely unknown. The first Reaper known to have communicated with organic life, referred to by Saren as Sovereign, claimed that the Reapers have neither beginning nor end. Even their true name is a mystery; 'Reapers' was a name bestowed by the Protheans, and Sovereign claimed that whatever the Protheans chose to call them is irrelevant: "we simply... are."



Sovereign claims that the Reapers were the original creators of the Citadel and the mass relays and they created these massive stations so that any intelligent life in the galaxy would eventually discover and use them – all part of a scheme to harvest the galaxy’s sentient life in a repeating cycle that has been looping for countless millennia.



While the other Reapers hibernate, a single Reaper remains behind, hidden in the depths of space. This vanguard can lie in a dormant state for thousands of years. The one period relevant to the game took approximately 50,000 years, and in Mass Effect 2 that was stated to be the approximate average time, but the exact time period can probably vary depending on chance and development speed of individual races. The vanguard is scanning the galaxy periodically for signs that intelligent organic life has advanced sufficiently. At what point that advance is sufficient is unclear, but once the vanguard decides the time is right, the subsequent Reaper attack is devastating.

[The Angry One]

I see you can copy-paste the codex.. do you want a cookiee?

[AdamBoozer]

Yes it cleverly shows how your an ****** and everything I have said is in there and there is no argument to be had. No more saying there assumptions or anything, no more excuses for you the info is there. Just read it. Or continue to be a jackass.



If you don't even read it that's just pathetic I gave you the info and did the work for you.

[hiraiyuu]

AdamBoozer wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AdamBoozer wrote...

Im not even going to correct you this time just go to horizon agian for the husk part.

What Legion meant by programs was people and there memorys. There race was called nazara. The memorys and tech are transfered over. Going along with what you said combine two computers and you have double the power so combine millions of humans and you have millions of times the power from just one. Much like the geth's interconetivity. You don't have to "think" it's already explained if you would just pay attetnion to the game or read the thread i supplied on the first page.

No, Nazara was what the programs within Sovereign identified themselves as. Sovereign in ME1 said "we are each a nation", Sovereign's "nation" was Nazara. They're programs, and at no point are they ever said to be anything else.

Foolish of you not to asume nothing of it but what they said. They called themselves nazara because there species was once called it. It is the prevailing theory.

I have played through both of the mass effect games thoroughly and so far i see what this person says as assumptions and guesswork. Theories and guesses are not the same thing. If we met 2 or 3 other reapers that all called themselves a certain name and that name matched the name of the species that made them (proven) then it would be a 'prevailing' theory and not just speculation.

My guess would be that the genetic material is used only to govern how a reaper will act (based on hormones and the like) but the core intelligence (programs) would have been written by the reapers and any information would be input this way also. This might explain why reapers are self-aware.

There is no more evidence to what i have said than to what many have said so far in this thread. Some people are plain making things up.