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[Beholderess]

Ecael wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

I am mostly agree with Bioware.
However, I think that engineer Shepard could be able to handle the vents. Not sure about adept Shepard and the bubble, though. While Shepar is incredibly skilled, maintaining the barrier requires raw power too.

Miranda should be able to handle the bubble, though. After all, she is constructed so that her biotic power exceeds the human norm

Comparing an Adept Shepard's abilities to Miranda's or Jack's biotics, Shepard is more powerful than either of the two due to his accelerated development as both a biotic and a leader. The cybernetic implants further boosted his biotic potential. As a result, Miranda expresses envy for Shepard as he was superior even before the Lazarus project.

Miranda does have a particular advantage in enhancement concerning other implants, however.

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That was a joke.

Heh, indeed. Shepard cannot compete with Miranda is *that* area.

[LOLandStuff]

I say, Miranda did some tampering with FemShepard's body. Maybe she didn't implant a control chip but the rest...

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 01 mars 2010 - 03:26 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I personally would have thought that on one of the two Squad leader portions that Zaeed would have worked

[DuffyMJ]

Not many I disagree with... I feel Miranda who is designed to be perfect/superior plus with her eagerness to prove herself should be capable of winning the biotic bubble walk.

I also personally think Samara and Zaeed should have like a 50/50 chance of winning at fire team leaders

In fact, in general, I don't think the same Fireteam leader should be able to survive twice in a row.  Like, I don't think anyone should be able to win leading both teams.  It's kind of pushing your luck to send the same person to lead both teams. 

I also think certain character sshould have been more suited for the escort mission.  Why should Tali be able to escort folks back to the ship successfully, leading civilians is arguably harder than leading a fireteam.  And like, Grunt should be a poor escorter too because he would just charge the collectors and leave everyone unprotected.  I felt guys like Jacob, Garrus, Zaeed (good ol private sector) , miranda (2nd in command of normandy), samara, etc. should have been the only way to get the crew to safety.

I was a bit disappointed with the whole thing, it should have been more sophisticated.  Picking Miranda as fireteam leader while Jack or Tali (people who dont trust cerberus) should lead to some kind of incident whereas picking say samara should get other squad members killed leading the second team (instead of getting her herself killed) since she is an expert warrior but not necessarily good at protecting people under her.

Anyone agree???

[Beholderess]

LOLandStuff wrote...

I say, Miranda did some tampering with FemShepard's body. Maybe she didn't implant a control chip but the rest...

So THAT's why Shepard can't dance!=)

[Beholderess]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Not many I disagree with... I feel Miranda who is designed to be perfect/superior plus with her eagerness to prove herself should be capable of winning the biotic bubble walk.

I also personally think Samara and Zaeed should have like a 50/50 chance of winning at fire team leaders

In fact, in general, I don't think the same Fireteam leader should be able to survive twice in a row.  Like, I don't think anyone should be able to win leading both teams.  It's kind of pushing your luck to send the same person to lead both teams. 

I also think certain character sshould have been more suited for the escort mission.  Why should Tali be able to escort folks back to the ship successfully, leading civilians is arguably harder than leading a fireteam.  And like, Grunt should be a poor escorter too because he would just charge the collectors and leave everyone unprotected.  I felt guys like Jacob, Garrus, Zaeed (good ol private sector) , miranda (2nd in command of normandy), samara, etc. should have been the only way to get the crew to safety.

I was a bit disappointed with the whole thing, it should have been more sophisticated.  Picking Miranda as fireteam leader while Jack or Tali (people who dont trust cerberus) should lead to some kind of incident whereas picking say samara should get other squad members killed leading the second team (instead of getting her herself killed) since she is an expert warrior but not necessarily good at protecting people under her.

Anyone agree???

Cannot agree about the same leader for the both fireteams - if anything, people are already used to working under that particular leader if you pick the same person second time. Besides, that's how most of the teams work in real life - they do not pick a new leader every few minutes.

However, I do agree that not everyone should be equially suited to leading people back to the Normandy. Grunt could easily get over-exited in the fight and forget about the people he is supposed to protect, or even pick up the fight which was avoidable. Tali is not good at keeping people calm and preventing them from doing stupid things, as the encounter on Freedom's Progress shows. So, if some crewmwmber panics, it could end badly. Zaeed showed a cavalier disregard for the lives of others before...

[Legbiter]

I'm good with Bioware on this. Plus when you select your teammate's portraits when picking a specialist the character bio blurbs that pop up all but tell you outright who is suitable for what role.



If Bioware had wanted to make it hard for players to have a clean suicide run they should have skipped the character bios at the specialist selection AND have you solve a random Hanoi tower puzzle on a short timer, at the end of each stretch. With failure resulting in a squaddie dying.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Bioware did a great job, I had no problems on my first play through without reading anything about it because the choices - to me at least - were obvious.



Legion/Tali for the Vent - I sent Legion in because I wasn't sure if I would still lose anyone there or not, and would rather lose it than her.



Garrus for the 1st team leader. He lead his team successfully on Omega, just because he was betrayed by one of his own, does not make him a bad leader.



Miranda for 2nd fire team leader. She was the leader of the Lazarus Cell, she is genetically engineered to be a leader.



Samara for the biotic bubble. Her biotics are just very powerful.



Mordin to lead the team back to the ship - he's retired STG, he's good at getting where he shouldn't be.



I tell anyone specific to hold the line, though I guess they all stay there during the reaper fight. I lost no one. Took Grunt and Garrus on the boss fight.



In one play through I lost Tali, because I made a poor choice on my fire team leaders, however, looking back at it, I made a poor choice, Zaeed isn't a leader, he even tells you as much if you complete his loyalty mission along the paragon path. So I should have payed closer attention to that and not sent him as the 1st fireteam leader.



So yes I agree with Bioware's setup on the suicide mission.

[DuffyMJ]

Beholderess wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Not many I disagree with... I feel Miranda who is designed to be perfect/superior plus with her eagerness to prove herself should be capable of winning the biotic bubble walk.

I also personally think Samara and Zaeed should have like a 50/50 chance of winning at fire team leaders

In fact, in general, I don't think the same Fireteam leader should be able to survive twice in a row.  Like, I don't think anyone should be able to win leading both teams.  It's kind of pushing your luck to send the same person to lead both teams. 

I also think certain character sshould have been more suited for the escort mission.  Why should Tali be able to escort folks back to the ship successfully, leading civilians is arguably harder than leading a fireteam.  And like, Grunt should be a poor escorter too because he would just charge the collectors and leave everyone unprotected.  I felt guys like Jacob, Garrus, Zaeed (good ol private sector) , miranda (2nd in command of normandy), samara, etc. should have been the only way to get the crew to safety.

I was a bit disappointed with the whole thing, it should have been more sophisticated.  Picking Miranda as fireteam leader while Jack or Tali (people who dont trust cerberus) should lead to some kind of incident whereas picking say samara should get other squad members killed leading the second team (instead of getting her herself killed) since she is an expert warrior but not necessarily good at protecting people under her.

Anyone agree???

Cannot agree about the same leader for the both fireteams - if anything, people are already used to working under that particular leader if you pick the same person second time. Besides, that's how most of the teams work in real life - they do not pick a new leader every few minutes.

However, I do agree that not everyone should be equially suited to leading people back to the Normandy. Grunt could easily get over-exited in the fight and forget about the people he is supposed to protect, or even pick up the fight which was avoidable. Tali is not good at keeping people calm and preventing them from doing stupid things, as the encounter on Freedom's Progress shows. So, if some crewmwmber panics, it could end badly. Zaeed showed a cavalier disregard for the lives of others before...

The folks that have guarded the Pope for 1000 years were private swiss mercenaries, the folks who protect US diplomats and officials overseas are mercenaries, byzantine emperors were always protected by nordic mercenaries... mercenaries and private sector do their jobs right man.

[MutantSpleen]

Jacob should be able to handle the barrier since his biotic specialty is BARRIER!!

[LOLandStuff]

Grunt is good to hit and shoot stuff.
He's young and has no experience. If you take him in missions, you'll notice how you lose control of him and he storms in enemy fire. He doesn't stay in one place for long when you give him an order.He just I! AM! KROGAN! at them and runs around with no sense of direction whatsoever.
Zaeed is a mercenary and i repeat myself, he was paid to get the job done not to keep people alive. And if you want to see it through, then that means casualties and he fails as a leader if you listen to his stories and how idiotic he acted in his loyalty mission.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 01 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Something I don't think everyone is getting is that every biotic on Shepard's team is 'above average'... they're the elite. The point is that Jack and Samara are above above average. Jack because she was experimented on, and Samara because she's been honing her abilities through centuries of biotic combat.

[JMKnave]

Agree with BW.



And I disagree with those that believe Zaeed is a good leader. If you speak to him, he will regale you with tales of previous missions he's been on. All of them ending with him being the sole survivor. Zaeed is great at leading people to sacrifice themselves for him so he can stay alive. He will do the same thing to your squad. He will lead them well until he feels he's in danger, at which point he will have no problem sending them on suicide tasks just to make sure he survives.



A true leader will make the hard choice for the good of the team, not for themselves.

[OverlordNexas]

The only thing that bothered me is the way loyalty plays out. So I send an unloyal Zaeed to escort the crew and he dies protecting them? That doesn't make any sense. Zaeed looks out for himself, and anyone who fell behind he would leave behind. And don't get me started on the final boss. What makes an unloyal character less likely to survive debris falling on them than a loyal one?

[CC-Tron]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Jacob should be able to handle the barrier since his biotic specialty is BARRIER!!

Exactly. He's the only biotic on the team with that ability. 

[Kurt M.]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

The only thing that made no sense during the suicide mission is that if you brought Samara or Jack along in your party during the biotic barrier section, they couldn't take over from the barrier-person when they got tired.

Agree. Along with the biotic barrier being with a too big radius. I mean, I REALLY would have liked to say to Samara "hey, ma'am, you know...we can fight with half the sphere radius...no need to push yourself so hard".....

[Kurt M.]

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I tell anyone specific to hold the line, though I guess they all stay there during the reaper fight. I lost no one. Took Grunt and Garrus on the boss fight.

You were very lucky in that part. Grunt and Garrus have a high defense factor when holding the line. To ensure everybody survives you should have taken weaker chars with you, like Tali and Jack (which I did), and leave those heavyweights holding the line.

I think Bioware should have done that part much harder, so you lose more people if you take the "wrong" people with you to the final combat.

[Beholderess]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Not many I disagree with... I feel Miranda who is designed to be perfect/superior plus with her eagerness to prove herself should be capable of winning the biotic bubble walk.

I also personally think Samara and Zaeed should have like a 50/50 chance of winning at fire team leaders

In fact, in general, I don't think the same Fireteam leader should be able to survive twice in a row.  Like, I don't think anyone should be able to win leading both teams.  It's kind of pushing your luck to send the same person to lead both teams. 

I also think certain character sshould have been more suited for the escort mission.  Why should Tali be able to escort folks back to the ship successfully, leading civilians is arguably harder than leading a fireteam.  And like, Grunt should be a poor escorter too because he would just charge the collectors and leave everyone unprotected.  I felt guys like Jacob, Garrus, Zaeed (good ol private sector) , miranda (2nd in command of normandy), samara, etc. should have been the only way to get the crew to safety.

I was a bit disappointed with the whole thing, it should have been more sophisticated.  Picking Miranda as fireteam leader while Jack or Tali (people who dont trust cerberus) should lead to some kind of incident whereas picking say samara should get other squad members killed leading the second team (instead of getting her herself killed) since she is an expert warrior but not necessarily good at protecting people under her.

Anyone agree???

Cannot agree about the same leader for the both fireteams - if anything, people are already used to working under that particular leader if you pick the same person second time. Besides, that's how most of the teams work in real life - they do not pick a new leader every few minutes.

However, I do agree that not everyone should be equially suited to leading people back to the Normandy. Grunt could easily get over-exited in the fight and forget about the people he is supposed to protect, or even pick up the fight which was avoidable. Tali is not good at keeping people calm and preventing them from doing stupid things, as the encounter on Freedom's Progress shows. So, if some crewmwmber panics, it could end badly. Zaeed showed a cavalier disregard for the lives of others before...

The folks that have guarded the Pope for 1000 years were private swiss mercenaries, the folks who protect US diplomats and officials overseas are mercenaries, byzantine emperors were always protected by nordic mercenaries... mercenaries and private sector do their jobs right man.

I am not saying that any mercenary cannot cannotprotect the crew, but I seriosly doubt this particular mercenary. His own comrades had a regrettable tendency of dying on him, not to mention the civillians on the factory...So, as far as escorting goes, I doubt him. I don't think he'll take any risk to protect them should the trouble arise. Again, it's not mercenaries, it's Zaeed himself.

[MutantSpleen]

Gladiador2 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I tell anyone specific to hold the line, though I guess they all stay there during the reaper fight. I lost no one. Took Grunt and Garrus on the boss fight.

You were very lucky in that part. Grunt and Garrus have a high defense factor when holding the line. To ensure everybody survives you should have taken weaker chars with you, like Tali and Jack (which I did), and leave those heavyweights holding the line.

I think Bioware should have done that part much harder, so you lose more people if you take the "wrong" people with you to the final combat.

Well personally I thought the whole thing was way too easy, it should not have been make 4 correct choices and WIN no one dies on an impossible suicide mission.  There should have been a much more complex  system with a lot more variables and some random events thrown in because in life **** happens.  I personally think the best you should have been able to get was 50% of the team living at the end.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 01 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Beholderess]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Jacob should be able to handle the barrier since his biotic specialty is BARRIER!!

Agreed. It is pretty weird. Actually, Jack and Samara don't seem to have any barrier-related powers...Makes one wonder.

[guise709]

Zaeed should of been a potential leaders since he founded the blue suns and lead the combat portion of the blue suns.

[Beholderess]

MutantSpleen wrote...

Gladiador2 wrote...

Kyria Nyriese wrote...

I tell anyone specific to hold the line, though I guess they all stay there during the reaper fight. I lost no one. Took Grunt and Garrus on the boss fight.

You were very lucky in that part. Grunt and Garrus have a high defense factor when holding the line. To ensure everybody survives you should have taken weaker chars with you, like Tali and Jack (which I did), and leave those heavyweights holding the line.

I think Bioware should have done that part much harder, so you lose more people if you take the "wrong" people with you to the final combat.

Well personally I thought the whole thing was way too easy, it should not have been make 4 correct choices and WIN no one dies on an impossible suicide mission.  There should have been a much more complex  system with a lot more variables and some random events thrown in because in life **** happens.  I personally think the best you should have been able to get was 50% of the team living at the end.

While more complexity would be fine, no random chance please.
Also, I like my happy ending, and very glad that is is possible to leave noone behind. The game would be way too dark for my tastes if it wasn't possible.
But to each their own, I guess.

[Gaidren]

Only thing I don't like is how the "hold the line" deaths happen. It isn't intuitive at all, it's easy to lose Mordin this way.

[MutantSpleen]

Mordin goes back with the crew.

[siltsonata]

 I agree with Bioware on everything. My first playthrough, I was like "HELL no ****" when Miranda offered herself to be squad leader, since Jack had already voiced her opinion that that was a no-no. No one seemed to like Miranda except Jacob, and I didn't want my leader being that chick that everyone hates.

I picked Garrus both times, because I didn't know who was supposed to be picked for what and he seemed like the BEST overall choice. Same with picking Samara for the biotic bubble: Yes, in theory any biotic could do it. That doesn't mean you should pick just any biotic, you want the best. Why settle? This is the final countdown, here. I even thought Jack might not be good enough, I picked Samara because she's an asari and you pretty much never see her with a weapon in a cutscene; biotics are clearly meant to be her forte.

When I later found out that Miranda was actually a viable choice for squad leader I thought that was stupid, but after reading what other people had to say about it it makes sense now. Same with Jacob. Still, while I agree that they're understandable choices, I personally never pick them because Garrus seems to me to be far and away the best option.

In short, don't think about who could do it. Think about who does it best.