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[Vicious]

Killing Loghain while his daughter watches was just too relentlessly evil for me. Whatever issues I have with Loghain, I don't hate him [or ANORA] to put them through that just for the sake of my feeling better.

I may hate Loghain for trying to kill me over and over, I may hate Anora for betraying me to Ser Cauthrien and trying to play me like a fiddle, but i'm not a f--ing animal.


I also NEVER felt like I betrayed the Grey Wardens, or Duncan, or Alistair. Why? Because Riordan was the one who suggested it. And he was from Highever, like Duncan, and obviously would know Duncan better than either I or Alistair could ever hope to. The PC is the tiebreaker as usual, but I would rather be guided by wisdom and mercy than emotion and vengeance.

Modifié par Vicious, 02 mars 2010 - 02:01 .

[SurelyForth]

Vicious wrote...

Killing Loghain while his daughter watches was just too relentlessly evil for me. Whatever issues I have with Loghain, I don't hate him [or ANORA] to put them through that just for the sake of my feeling better.

I may hate Loghain for trying to kill me over and over, I may hate Anora for betraying me to Ser Cauthrien and trying to play me like a fiddle, but i'm not a f--ing animal.

That's the game's fault, not the fault of you or Alistair. She could leave, but she doesn't. People will attend their loved one's executions even in modern times, so it doesn't seem that strange to me that she would want to be there. The blood splash is over the top, I will admit.

[errant_knight]

Mirthadrond wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I have to wonder, if Riordan thought it was so all fired important, why only Loghain? Why not conscript every available body at landsmeet until the chalice was empty? That doesn't add up.

hmmmmmmmmm....  interesting point.. 

We could have conscripted that whole bloody room.... provided we had enough blood to go around...

Personally -  I would have suggested Ser Cauthrine, since she is pretty badassed. 
Of course, she 'might' be laying in a pool of her own blood.....   not sure a dark taint transfusion is gonna work at that point....

Yep, we could have killed Loghain and conscripted Ser Cautherine. Problem solved. Both would be just given the events at Ostagar.

[Darkannex]

They use conscription lightly, is the only reason I can think. They had Loghain between a rock and a hardplace-execution or joining the GW.



It does lead as to why Riordan didn't recruit more-but the game has some limitations I guess.

[barkingM1]

Darkannex wrote...

They use conscription lightly, is the only reason I can think. They had Loghain between a rock and a hardplace-execution or joining the GW.

It does lead as to why Riordan didn't recruit more-but the game has some limitations I guess.

Come to think of it, when the PC talks to Riordan in the Arl's study and asks about making more Wardens, doesn't Riordan say he can't, because to make more Warden-juice requires a drop of Archdemon blood, and the Denerim supply was missing?  That being the case, how could he even make Loghain a Warden?   O_o

Or does that get explained - I've never saved Loghain yet, myself.

[errant_knight]

barkingM1 wrote...

Darkannex wrote...

They use conscription lightly, is the only reason I can think. They had Loghain between a rock and a hardplace-execution or joining the GW.

It does lead as to why Riordan didn't recruit more-but the game has some limitations I guess.

Come to think of it, when the PC talks to Riordan in the Arl's study and asks about making more Wardens, doesn't Riordan say he can't, because to make more Warden-juice requires a drop of Archdemon blood, and the Denerim supply was missing?  That being the case, how could he even make Loghain a Warden?   O_o

Or does that get explained - I've never saved Loghain yet, myself.

Yes, he does say that.... Okay the whole Loghain-warden thing is making less and less sense. The only thing I can think of is that they ask Loghain to pretty please give them the archdemon blood so they can make him a warden. Of course, as an alternative to death, it probably seems like a good idea.

I still say killing Loghain and conscripting Ser Cautherin is a better idea. Then Alistair is happy, too.

[errant_knight]

barkingM1 wrote...

Darkannex wrote...

They use conscription lightly, is the only reason I can think. They had Loghain between a rock and a hardplace-execution or joining the GW.

It does lead as to why Riordan didn't recruit more-but the game has some limitations I guess.

Come to think of it, when the PC talks to Riordan in the Arl's study and asks about making more Wardens, doesn't Riordan say he can't, because to make more Warden-juice requires a drop of Archdemon blood, and the Denerim supply was missing?  That being the case, how could he even make Loghain a Warden?   O_o

Or does that get explained - I've never saved Loghain yet, myself.

Yes, he does say that.... Okay the whole Loghain-warden thing is making less and less sense. The only thing I can think of is that they ask Loghain to pretty please give them the archdemon blood so they can make him a warden. Of course, as an alternative to death, it probably seems like a good idea.

I still say killing Loghain and conscripting Ser Cautherin is a better idea. Then Alistair is happy, too.

[Monica21]

errant_knight wrote...
Yes, he does say that.... Okay the whole Loghain-warden thing is making less and less sense. The only thing I can think of is that they ask Loghain to pretty please give them the archdemon blood so they can make him a warden. Of course, as an alternative to death, it probably seems like a good idea.

I still say killing Loghain and conscripting Ser Cautherin is a better idea. Then Alistair is happy, too.

The Joining is inconsistent during the game, and I think that's why David Gaider had to post about it. There's something from him floating around stating that regular darkspawn blood enhanced with lyrium will work, or archdemon blood. You didn't have archdemon blood at your Joining, just the magically enhanced regular kind. I can only think it was an oversight or there wouldn't have been a need to post about it.

[Vicious]

There's a LOT of annoying inconsistencies in the game, if you pay attention.



That's my only big issue with DAO. It has trouble keeping it's own story straight.

[CalJones]

Well when Riordan is in the dungeon he says perhaps Loghain has confiscated the supply (of archdemon blood) - we have to assume that is actually the case otherwise it really doesn't make sense. We also have to assume there's not enough to do a joining with anyone else.

I think it's all down to game designers sitting down and saying "we need x to happen - how can we achieve this from the story?"

[Monica21]

CalJones wrote...

Well when Riordan is in the dungeon he says perhaps Loghain has confiscated the supply (of archdemon blood) - we have to assume that is actually the case otherwise it really doesn't make sense. We also have to assume there's not enough to do a joining with anyone else.
I think it's all down to game designers sitting down and saying "we need x to happen - how can we achieve this from the story?"

I'm sure Loghain did confiscate the supply, but with the number of darkspawn running loose all over Ferelden, there's no reason you couldn't get enough to do the ritual with just the lyrium. So, sometime between you releasing him and the Landsmeet, Riordan got a vial of blood and and had apparently had some mages' help in making it work.

I guess.

[errant_knight]

CalJones wrote...

Well when Riordan is in the dungeon he says perhaps Loghain has confiscated the supply (of archdemon blood) - we have to assume that is actually the case otherwise it really doesn't make sense. We also have to assume there's not enough to do a joining with anyone else.
I think it's all down to game designers sitting down and saying "we need x to happen - how can we achieve this from the story?"

All they needed was a drop of arch demon blood to perform the ritual. If they had any, they had more than a drop. It's pretty much impossible to stor a drop of anything, so...yeah. There's a problem here.