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Darkstar87uk wrote...*snip*

Or out of it as well.

Ahh Anne Widdicombe... *shudder*

As for Female Aliens, I think Turian females should be indistinguishable from male ones.
Make for a great deal of hilarity.

[Pannamaslo]

The Angry One wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
No, female salarians actually hold all of the political power in salarian space; for some cultural reason very few females are born and they're raised to be the heads of clans or some other position of power.

Well then I would say the Salarians have a sexist society.  Wouldn't you agree with that The Angry One?

It depends, genuine rarity clouds the issue somewhat.
But if they're really the leaders, then why isn't the Salarian Councillor female?

Maybe she is...

[RighteousRage]

The Angry One wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
No, female salarians actually hold all of the political power in salarian space; for some cultural reason very few females are born and they're raised to be the heads of clans or some other position of power.

Well then I would say the Salarians have a sexist society.  Wouldn't you agree with that The Angry One?

It depends, genuine rarity clouds the issue somewhat.
But if they're really the leaders, then why isn't the Salarian Councillor female?

No, no, sigh, the Salarian females actually are leaders, they're called "Dalatrasses" and hold the majority of the power in Salarian space, as moonboots said.

The reason the Salarian Councillor is not female is because Bioware didn't want to make a female Salarian model or voice

[kelmar6821]

Vorcha were compared to earthworms weren't they? well earthworms are hermaphrodites so maybe the vorcha are too.

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't know or really care.  I was just curious what you would say with the tables turned.

It's not really a situation where the tables have turned, for example if you're comparing it to the Krogan, the Salarians are 10% female so logically their roles would be split. Males being more common and thus more expendable, but females taking up administrative duties and such.
The Krogan on the other hand have no limitation, and given Grunt's dialog and a planet entry in ME1 there have been female warlords every bit as capable as the males (so much so that Shiagur's history is uploaded into Grunt, the "perfect Krogan") therefore yes, they *are* sexist where the Salarians are not.

[Azint]

I found it strange that the Salarian Councilor was not female.

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The krogans are made of clans. They have female clans and male clans. They have no government that governs over all Krogans. So they are not sexist, because there is no real body to be sexist. They are a bunch of clans.

Primitive tribal societies are usually sexist by definition.
In any case seperation by clan seems irrelevant. Only the males seem to be allowed to fight, the females take care of the children, but males can apply for right of parentage. So males get both roles, females get sent to the kitchen.
Glorious.

[King Gigglez]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Vorcha were compared to earthworms weren't they? well earthworms are hermaphrodites so maybe the vorcha are too.

That made me laugh so hard i though i was about to die

[Krogan Face]

I always imagined the Krogan females haveing a moch penis like female Hyenas.   With all that Krogan verility charging at u id come in handy.

[Krogan Face]

King Gigglez wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Vorcha were compared to earthworms weren't they? well earthworms are hermaphrodites so maybe the vorcha are too.

That made me laugh so hard i though i was about to die

  I thought it was tube worms, like the ones around thermal vents at the bottom of the ocean....OMG im a nerd

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

How do know the females don't fight. What about Shiagur? The females may be more powerful than the males, but less expendable because of the Genophage.

Again female warlords seem to be a great exception. Female Krogans are commonly referred to as non-combatants.
The genophage doesn't affect male/female numbers. I can see why fertile females would be kept safe but then the same should be said of fertile males as it affects both genders if I recall.

[Archilochos]

While the lack of female models for, well, most races in ME probably has more to do with the work involved than anything else, there are any number of servicible justifications for it.

Not every species on earth is sexually dimorphous.  Why should it be any different out there in the galaxy?  Even tone of voice doesn't vary in most species.  Is a female dog's bark that different from a male's?

On Krogan female camp emissary: Why would the female camp (ie a camp for females, containing females, representing females) use a male representative?  I assumed the female camp rep. was a sterile female.  Krogans are reptilian.  Can you tell the difference between a male and female iguana at a glance?  I can't.

Salarians are egg laying amphibians, right?  So no clues there...

I won't even speculate on what one would need to do to determine a hanar's gender.  The only species I'd expect to find with seperate female models at this point would be the turians, batarians and possibly drell.

[GenericPlayer2]

Archilochos wrote...

On Krogan female camp emissary: Why would the female camp (ie a camp for females, containing females, representing females) use a male representative?  I assumed the female camp rep. was a sterile female.  Krogans are reptilian.  Can you tell the difference between a male and female iguana at a glance?  I can't..

Try talking to him after you take Wrex through the rite, no dialog but he says "I may be young, but I relay the wishes of the females". That makes me think its a pre-rite male. Of course no way to know for certain, but I think its a dude.

On another note, I checked the codex and Shiagur's rise to power was post genophage, so no excuse for not seeing any female Krogan warriors!

[KalosCast]

The Genophage doesn't make 1:1000 females fertile, it makes 1:1000 pregnancies viable. Pay attention to the language. All females have an equal (low) chance of shakin' bakin' makin' mo' Krogans, it would make sense that Krogan society would go out of their way to make sure the females are exposed to the minimum amount of danger.



Also, as far as "men are for fightin' women are for babies," since we've never seen a female Krogan, it's entirely possible that the female of the species lack the sheer size, strength, and regenerative ability of the males. Sexual Dimorphism, dawg.



Really the lack of Turian females is the only one that isn't really explained. Then again, we don't really run into all that many Turains, period, when compared to other species.

[mortons4ck]

Archilochos wrote...

On Krogan female camp emissary: Why would the female camp (ie a camp for females, containing females, representing females) use a male representative?  I assumed the female camp rep. was a sterile female.  Krogans are reptilian.  Can you tell the difference between a male and female iguana at a glance?  I can't.

The young krogans (pre-rite) live with the female tribe.

[OverlordWarwick]

The Angry One wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The krogans are made of clans. They have female clans and male clans. They have no government that governs over all Krogans. So they are not sexist, because there is no real body to be sexist. They are a bunch of clans.

Primitive tribal societies are usually sexist by definition.
In any case seperation by clan seems irrelevant. Only the males seem to be allowed to fight, the females take care of the children, but males can apply for right of parentage. So males get both roles, females get sent to the kitchen.
Glorious.

Right if you listened to Wrex on Tuchanka he explained this. The lack of exploring dialogue is apparent

He explained that women have separate clans because they are so valuable. He explains that women CAN fight, but the easiest way to wipe out a clan is by killing their females.

I believe that women are the only ones able to raise the young, so that they are obviously needed in this role which is more important than the constant skirmishes between the clan.

From the sounds of it, atleast in clan Urdnot, that the female clan leader has a lot of power, giving Wrex the idea for the neutral mating ground, and he remarks "I can barely do anything without the female clan leaders approval."

Also the scout leader remarks that the reason that they don't have any automated defence systems is because the highest priority was the female camp. They put females higher than food. I say that yes, that is sexist, sexist to the men!

On a wider note. Yes I beg the devs to include some female versions of some of the races. The lack of Turian females was glaring, especially as they seem to serve equal roles in their society. I have envisioned them to have perhaps some more colourful skin tones, or patterns, just like in lizards or birds.

Female Krogan seem so important to the species in general, that I find it aggravating that we haven't SEEN one. Or talked to one, seen their perspective.

I mean the female Krogan underneath the sheet was just like <_<

Same with the Salarian culture, mating contacts and females has such importance... And all of it speaks of just laziness. 
So I say they put a little time towards it to just make this small detail which will have a big impact...

[Gill Kaiser]

Unata wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Oh, and there is a female Krogan having a conversation on Tuchanka...

Male envoy to the female clan. Runtish. Not female.

No, it's female, take a good look at her, listen to the voice, besides, Krogan lay eggs "clutch" was mentioned, so no breasts on them, but hips on that one.

You are deluding yourself. Another krogan specifically references the envoy as a runt, and calls him 'he'.

[ShadyKat]

RighteousRage wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...
No, female salarians actually hold all of the political power in salarian space; for some cultural reason very few females are born and they're raised to be the heads of clans or some other position of power.

Well then I would say the Salarians have a sexist society.  Wouldn't you agree with that The Angry One?

It depends, genuine rarity clouds the issue somewhat.
But if they're really the leaders, then why isn't the Salarian Councillor female?

No, no, sigh, the Salarian females actually are leaders, they're called "Dalatrasses" and hold the majority of the power in Salarian space, as moonboots said.

The reason the Salarian Councillor is not female is because Bioware didn't want to make a female Salarian model or voice

Which is lame. By their own lore the Salarian Councillor should have been female. I hate to say it but BioWare handled the "no females" very poorly. I mean we went to the Krogan home world and still only saw the dead body of 1 Krogan female. Who was covered up.

[The Angry One]

You guys miss some fundamental points:

- Unless there's a significantly low number of Krogan females, why would they be so valuable that none can be spared? And why are the males so expendable?
Raising children doesn't seem to be a major point here, because we hear one male wonder if he should get "right of parentage" for his son.

- Shiagur, the female warlord was said to be "one of the few fertile Krogan females" and used that to gain herself a position of power as a warlord in the male dominated Krogan society. If the genophage doesn't affect some more than others, why would this be an issue?

- The fact that Shiagur wanted to be a warlord at all and was successful enough to draw the attention of the Turians shows that Krogan females can in fact fight.