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[GuardianAngel470]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Oh, and there is a female Krogan having a conversation on Tuchanka...

No that is the envoy for the female camp, I am pretty sure its a guy.

Edit: When Grunt tells me about Shiagur I figure I would eventually run into female Krogan warriors. But that story is pre-Genophage I think. Now it seems like protecting fertile females is the top priority, so an alien may never see one.

Actually that story is post-genophage.  In fact, Shiagur rose to power as a direct result of being a fertile female.  It was explained on one of the planets in ME1.  The non-story planets, you had to read the text.

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

OverlordWarwick wrote..

Also the scout leader remarks that the reason that they don't have any automated defence systems is because the highest priority was the female camp. They put females higher than food. I say that yes, that is sexist, sexist to the men!

I say that this is not being sexist.  That this is survival.  They are in a desperate situation.  This whole  discussion has turned into emotional feminism vs logic.  Some people think that the female krogans should be out fighting just like the males because it isn't fair, but the females are the ones that give birth and not the males.  The females have to lay the eggs and tend to the young.  This has to do with survival and nothing to do with poltiical correctness and social engineering and how we should feel about thing regardless of the facts.  Life isn't always fair in reality or video games.

It has to do with logic. According to lore, some females are fertile, some aren't. Same for males.
So why exacty are the females who aren't fertile so valuable? Why are the fertile males not valuable? It's self contradictory.

[Wild Still]

RighteousRage wrote...

Also this talk of Tali being a coy and vulnerable shemale is getting me all worked up

That explains Shepard in the fetal position in his shower having a good cry after the "Romance" scene.

All we need now is an "Why can't I quit you" line and we're all set.

A Tali quote to replace EDI's "Probing Uranus", would be a nice touch too.

[Krogan Face]

If we could somehow confirm my theory that female Krogan have a moch penis then this would all be solved.

[OptimusAlex]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Sunnie22 wrote...

Oh, and there is a female Krogan having a conversation on Tuchanka...

Male envoy to the female clan. Runtish. Not female.

THANK YOU! someone finally agrees with me

[Knoll Argonar]

Probably "fertility" is more a sort of speaking than an actual fact.



All female Krogan are fertile. Well, 1/1000 fertile. Probably Krogan only consider "fertile" those Krogan females who somehow birth a krogan baby, not all of those that can get pregnant.



That being said, The lack of Turian females is the only one that really concerns me. The rest is quite irrelevant.

[GenericPlayer2]

This has me confused. In ME1 I understood that most Krogan females could have children, just that the mortality rate was very high (i.e. the offspring are mostly stillborn). Which makes the Genophage particularly cruel, can you imagine carrying a child or tending to eggs (whichever they do) only for it to be born dead? And then having to keep doing that until you win the luck of the draw?

Now ME2 came along and Mordin says they adjusted fertility rates, meaning that the child could not be conceived. Hence the confusion.

Back on topic, if there are sterile females then there is no reason they can't choose to fight. But then being sterile, she might not be able to rally others to her cause (the way Shiagur did). I just don't know.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 01 mars 2010 - 02:56 .

[Kyero]

enough of the ****ing.. no seriously its a game.



and "the Angry one" more models = more work = less other stuff, I'm willing to bet if you were in their shoes you wouldnt call it lazy.

[NKKKK]

It's lazyness

[The Happy One]

I want to see Klixen sex.

Kyero wrote...

enough of the ****ing.. no seriously its a game.

and "the Angry one" more models = more work = less other stuff, I'm willing to bet if you were in their shoes you wouldnt call it lazy.

I bet you're fun at parties. Like herpes.

Modifié par The Happy One, 01 mars 2010 - 03:22 .

[Eclesis]

Kyero wrote...

enough of the ****ing.. no seriously its a game.

and "the Angry one" more models = more work = less other stuff, I'm willing to bet if you were in their shoes you wouldnt call it lazy.

This. If development resources were infinite, by all means, add whatever you like. Since they're not, I'm okay with suspension of disbelief on this one (how would you tell, anyway? Maybe that elcor over there is female but it doesn't register to humans?) if it means the resources will go into things that actually matter to story/gameplay. I honestly cannot care less what gender the background NPCs are.

[Nozybidaj]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

Why are there no Collector, Volus, Turian, Qu..., Drell, Krogan or Batarian females in the game? Actually, the only species with females in the game are the humans and quarians. Discuss!

You got those bad Asari eclipse babydolls.

According to Casey Hudson the Asari aren't female, they are "asexual".


Don't look at me like that, I didn't say it.....

[tropicalwave]

I bet somewhere on some designers computer there are models of all the races and sexes... I bet that at some point they couldn't get something to match up right in the game and they put it on the side hoping to come back to it. Then the game got to a point where it would be too difficult to add in without breaking things...



If you think it is laziness go find the topic that has all the changes going on for the textures and see how hard it is to have things match up, to get colors to work right, etc. Laziness would be releasing ME1 and saying it was a new game.

[Ltfantasy]

I don't remember Wrex being referred to as a male in ME1...

[lothvamp]

Seriously, am I the only one that noticed that there ARE most likely Salarian females o.O The counciler is probably one, and you see a few in the Presidium tower in ME1. They are the ones wearing hoods. It's stated that females are rare and only they are politicians, and you don't see the hooded ones often, and they're usually around areas that a politician might be in (ie: you don't see any of the hooded salarians out fighting, and they are usually only seen somewhere on the citadel.)

[Marta Rio]

lothvamp wrote...

Seriously, am I the only one that noticed that there ARE most likely Salarian females o.O The counciler is probably one, and you see a few in the Presidium tower in ME1. They are the ones wearing hoods. It's stated that females are rare and only they are politicians, and you don't see the hooded ones often, and they're usually around areas that a politician might be in (ie: you don't see any of the hooded salarians out fighting, and they are usually only seen somewhere on the citadel.)

Quite possible, in that case their ladies sure have deep voices and sound a lot like the guy who played Quark on DS9.

[Dracotamer]

If they are not in the third game, then it is PURE laziness.

[Dracotamer]

If they are not in the third game, then it is PURE laziness.

[Mnemnosyne]

Most of the species missing females now could easily be explained by a lack of sexual dimorphism. With Salarians especially this is completely logical. The Salarian councillor very well may be a femal, and I have no specific reason to believe that councilor is NOT a female unless it's specifically stated otherwise.



As far as Krogan are concerned, the descriptions are confusing. But it's pretty clear we haven't seen a female Krogan - the drape-covered body of the female Krogan on Tuchanka makes this clear - why would it be drape-covered if Krogan don't have visible sexual dimorphism? There are some decent explanations for female Krogan not appearing thus far, but as keeps being pointed out, they are kind of thin.



Turians, however, are the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell from the codex and such, they are mammals, and they are ubiquitous enough that there is no excuse for us not having seen female Turians yet. It is true that their biology may lead them not to have significant sexual dimorphism (indeed, on earth, most humans would be hard pressed to tell a male and female of most species apart without inspecting their "equipment") but if that were the case you would think we would have met a female Turian by now and had the 'wait, you're a female? But you look exactly like..." conversation, so we can only assume we have not seen a female Turian.

[aeetos21]

I will say that BW did a good job of evening the genders in the eclipse and blue sun merc bands. Definitely lots of men and women to kill all around. Other than that...?

[Terraneaux]

As far as the Krogan fertile females thing goes: The warlord who created Grunt talks about how the genophage was making them select for survival of the genophage and not any other traits. What I'm thinking is that the *average* rate of fertility for Krogan females is 1/1000, with some females, who have partially adapted to the genophage, having much higher fertility rates than that. But there's something else - notice how the Krogan aren't raised knowing who their parents are anymore, but instead children are raised communally? We know that wasn't previously the case, as Wrex talks about knowing who his father was. What I'm thinking is that the females don't let the males know which of them are more or less female, so that there isn't a stratification between fertile females and relatively infertile females, and all of them are treated equally.

[cedardryad]

Koyasha wrote...

Most of the species missing females now could easily be explained by a lack of sexual dimorphism. With Salarians especially this is completely logical. The Salarian councillor very well may be a femal, and I have no specific reason to believe that councilor is NOT a female unless it's specifically stated otherwise.

As far as Krogan are concerned, the descriptions are confusing. But it's pretty clear we haven't seen a female Krogan - the drape-covered body of the female Krogan on Tuchanka makes this clear - why would it be drape-covered if Krogan don't have visible sexual dimorphism? There are some decent explanations for female Krogan not appearing thus far, but as keeps being pointed out, they are kind of thin.

Turians, however, are the elephant in the room. As far as I can tell from the codex and such, they are mammals, and they are ubiquitous enough that there is no excuse for us not having seen female Turians yet. It is true that their biology may lead them not to have significant sexual dimorphism (indeed, on earth, most humans would be hard pressed to tell a male and female of most species apart without inspecting their "equipment") but if that were the case you would think we would have met a female Turian by now and had the 'wait, you're a female? But you look exactly like..." conversation, so we can only assume we have not seen a female Turian.

I agree completely. I was going to mention this. We can't tel all animals' sexes by looking at them. If you look at a cat or dog from the face its really hard to tell the sex from the face. In cats, usually the face is slimmer than a males. With dogs, it's not so easy. With reptiles and birds it's even harder. Certain birds need genetic testing to tell if they're male or female. I had a couple of chows and the male looked more feminine and everyone thought our female was a male. She was very butchy.
For all we know we have seen a good amount of females, we just didn't know. Maybe not all species dress their females in a seperate fashion.

[Mnemnosyne]

Terraneaux wrote...

As far as the Krogan fertile females thing goes: The warlord who created Grunt talks about how the genophage was making them select for survival of the genophage and not any other traits. What I'm thinking is that the *average* rate of fertility for Krogan females is 1/1000, with some females, who have partially adapted to the genophage, having much higher fertility rates than that. But there's something else - notice how the Krogan aren't raised knowing who their parents are anymore, but instead children are raised communally? We know that wasn't previously the case, as Wrex talks about knowing who his father was. What I'm thinking is that the females don't let the males know which of them are more or less female, so that there isn't a stratification between fertile females and relatively infertile females, and all of them are treated equally.

I don't think it's necessarily the case that their children are raised communally.  If I remember correctly one of the krogan having the conversation about his son mentions wanting to ask for right of fatherhood or something along those lines.  So perhaps krogan males need to prove themselves in some way before they're allowed to properly claim their position as a father.