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[LOLandStuff]

He is a really annoying character. I'm certain he was romanced just out of curiosity.

I never took him on any mission and just did his loyalty mission. I did enjoy it but damn that guy forgets to shut up the entire way. I think everyone leaves him because he is so boring.

[Aisynia]

the ONE time I decided to take him on missions outside his loyalty mission.. he ended up second guessing my decisions.



........



No one else ever does that. No one. And this is the guy who supposedly has mountains of respect for Shepard. It's like he was written by three schizophrenic teenagers who weren't allowed to see or edit one another's work.

[Mox Ruuga]

Of the two, Kaidan. Easily.

[Mox Ruuga]

Pannamaslo wrote...

IMO Thane or Garrus. Jacob's romance resembles a bad porn dialog and Kaidan is a whiny woos.

But if I had to choose I between the two I would say Jacob- less whining.

Lol. Thane and Garrus are both more whiny than Kaidan AND Jacob both. Especially Garrus as of ME1. Thane is just an emo lizard with artsy fartsy flashbacks.

[WilliamShatner]

LOLandStuff wrote...

I don't like Kaiden but I prefer him over Jacob.
Besides the fact that he reminds me of Kanye West each time I see him, Shepard is for him a priizzzzzzzzze. And why the hell would Miranda need someone better than him and FemShepard gets stuck with him (that if you romance him)? That makes no sense. Shepard wasn't grown in a tube to be perfect and she did way too much than Miranda.
Am I the only one who felt offended here and like in a bad porn?

Indeed!  Whoever thought Female Shepard should have Miranda's leftovers deserves a fork in the eye. <_<

[Weiser_Cain]

Jacob really seemed to want you, male or female to like him. Also I hated Kaiden, never romanced him and let him die every time. So I pick Jacob.

[fortunesque]

My thoughts on the question posed in the thread title (wall of text):

I don't view Jacob as good relationship material. He bailed on the Alliance when he didn't like their direction. He's ready to bail on Cerberus if he finds their direction unsuitable. To me, he seems to be unsure of what he wants in life. Keep in mind that he joined Cerberus before the Collector attacks started. He didn't follow them for the same reasons Shepard did.

Jacob is coming off of a relationship with Miranda. She is the one to email his father's whereabouts to him, and the looks they exchange after the mission is over are very telling. Though they were together then split up on bad terms, I can see some form of attraction that lingers between them. Jacob can be quoted as saying, "Miranda deserves a better man than I". He's still sore about their breakup, and I get the impression that he is on the rebound.

If Shepard decides to romance him and does not want to have sex before the suicide mission, he asks/questions her three times if she's sure that she wants to wait to have sex. The situation kind of made me cringe.

I will say this, though; I do NOT hate Jacob in the least. I wouldn't have my Shepard romance him, but I think he's a great friend to her.

Though Kaidan is shy, he doesn't change sides. I can understand his reasoning behind questioning Shepard's motives; he has no clue if she's a clone, if they've installed a control chip in her, or if Cerberus has lied to her. A normal person wouldn't just accept someone coming back from the dead after two years that says, "Sup? Don't worry. I'm totally me."

It seems that he's either Anderson/the Alliance's secret agent or a new Spectre. He *has* to report to the Council. Later, you find that Kaidan confirmed that Shepard was right about the abductions. It appears that he may be searching for proof of the reapers. Maybe he thinks he can find this proof so that he can help Shepard get away from Cerberus.

In regards to his email, it was the best he could do, given the circumstances. Even then, he had to be careful. Keep in mind that the turian councilor viewed Shepard joining with Cerberus to be treason; Kaidan had to ensure that the mission came first. Meeting up with Shepard would have dire consequences.

Like Jacob, Kaidan brings up his ex. But unlike Jacob's situation, Kaidan's ex is not present nor has been present in his life for years. I don't get the impression that he's rebounding.

If Shepard rejects Kaidan before Ilos, he does seem a little upset, but doesn't press her to be intimate.

No, Kaidan doesn't swoop in with poetry and flowers. He's not smooth. But he's sincere and appears to have Shepard's best interest at heart. If you want your female Shepard to have a romance with a guy that is madly in love with her, then I'd go for Kaidan.

Again, this is an opinion, and it all depends on how you rp your Shepard.

[FaeTian]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lol. Thane and Garrus are both more whiny than Kaidan AND Jacob both. Especially Garrus as of ME1. Thane is just an emo lizard with artsy fartsy flashbacks.

Garrus and Thane don't whine. Kaidan and Jacob don't really whine either.

Honesty, stop whining about whining or else I'll go on a whining rampage of my own about how much I hate it when people whine about certain characters being whiny.

Geez.

[Mox Ruuga]

FaeTian wrote...

Garrus and Thane don't whine. Kaidan and Jacob don't really whine either.

Honesty, stop whining about whining or else I'll go on a whining rampage of my own about how much I hate it when people whine about certain characters being whiny.

Geez.

Garrus doesn't whine?

Have you played the games?

"Waaahh! I don't like my job!"

"Waaahh!! My dad pressured me!"

"Waaahh!!! Saren is going to get away with it, what are we going to do!?"

"Waaahh!!!! We can't let Saren live, the council will cover his ass!"

"Waaahh!!!!! We stole the Normandy, I can't believe it! What if they catch us?"

"Waaahh!!!!! Doctor Saleon got away from me and it's the C-SEC's fault!!"

In ME2, he again whines about his old job, tho not as much, having forgotten his discussions with the Paragon Shepard. But he keeps moaning on about the guy who betrayed him. Another "Saleon". Will there be yet one more guy to kill for him in ME3?

Thane is more of a mopey emo than an outright whiner, but he has far more issues than either Jacob or Kaidan. And keeps dwelling. Doesn't he even cry at some point? Haven't had a FemShep I despise enough to try out his Lovecraftian romance yet, so can't confirm this. But if he does... does it make him the "male Jack"? Does his mascara run? 

[Punahedan]

Garrus.

>.>
<.<

Okay, if I had to choose... well, let me think about it. Either way, they force you to flirt with Jacob and Kaidan. But at least flirting with Kaidan didn't make me cringe, even if I didn't realize it was happening. I'd take the ninja-flirt over the cringe-inducing dialogue any day. HOWEVER, I think Jacob has more balls than Kaidan. He's willing to look at things realistically and say, "This isn't working out; this needs a change, or I need to find something that DOES work." I appreciate that and that's what made him an interesting character.

Also, Kaidan seems to be expecting a wholesome gal from the farm down the road from Shepard, and that's just not happening. And he's just so, so quiet, and seems to lack a sense of humor (which Jacob sort of does, too, but he seems more fun), to the point where he seems to just lack a personality because he's so serious all the time. AND I dislike Kaidan second-guessing me on Horizon. I'm mother-effing SHEPARD. If Cerberus is lying to me, I'm gonna find out and I'm gonna open a can of whup-ass. I've proven myself before, and I don't care for someone questioning my motives. He's also still hung up on brain camp and Rahna, which was ages ago. Plus, I had to pick him up and haul him to the ship on Virmire*. Didn't help that he was voiced by Sbarge; if it'd been Carth, great! I loved Carth. But he sounded like Carth, and wasn't. Sbarge doesn't have range, and it just bothered me.

But, and this is my biggest objection, Jacob still thinks about Miranda, is still hung up on her, and apparently believes that she deserves a better guy than him - but Shepard doesn't? Um. No. I don't think so, buddy.

A lot of it isn't their fault; it's the writing team. But then, consider, that's what we have, so that's what we're working with, here. Ultimately, I don't much like either of them. But if I had to pick, I'd pick Kaidan. In the long term, he's mostly stable and a nice guy. Doesn't demand anything from Shepard, likes her as she is.

But Jacob, Jacob's a good friend. Drinking buddies (wait, that's Chakwas...xD).

But let's be serious here.

Garrus is best for FemShep.

*This isn't an issue, per se... I liked that Shepard had to pick him up and haul him outta there. It was a nice reverse, a play on things. But if I romanced him, it just seemed...less than manly. Shepard deserves someone who can match her and defend her just as much as she can defend him. It could be a quarian for all I care, but someone who can haul ass like Shepard.

Modifié par Hawkeyed Cai Li, 01 mars 2010 - 06:22 .

[Elessara]

Here's what I thought was odd about Thane as an LI. The man is DYING. How long does he have to live exactly? So we know right off the bat that it's not going to be long term. I mean, unless they plan to either kill off Shepard at the end of ME3 or kill off whoever Shepard's LI is in ME3 (and both of those would ****** me off) then, wth?

[WilliamShatner]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

Garrus.

>.>


Okay, if I had to choose... well, let me think about it. Either way, they force you to flirt with Jacob and Kaidan. But at least flirting with Kaidan didn't make me cringe, even if I didn't realize it was happening. I'd take the ninja-flirt over the cringe-inducing dialogue any day. HOWEVER, I think Jacob has more balls than Kaidan. He's willing to look at things realistically and say, "This isn't working out; this needs a change, or I need to find something that DOES work." I appreciate that and that's what made him an interesting character.

Also, Kaidan seems to be expecting a wholesome gal from the farm down the road from Shepard, and that's just not happening. And he's just so, so quiet, and seems to lack a sense of humor (which Jacob sort of does, too, but he seems more fun), to the point where he seems to just lack a personality because he's so serious all the time. AND I dislike Kaidan second-guessing me on Horizon. I'm mother-effing SHEPARD. If Cerberus is lying to me, I'm gonna find out and I'm gonna open a can of whup-ass. I've proven myself before, and I don't care for someone questioning my motives. He's also still hung up on brain camp and Rahna, which was ages ago. Plus, I had to pick him up and haul him to the ship on Virmire. Didn't help that he was voiced by Sbarge; if it'd been Carth, great! I loved Carth. But he sounded like Carth, and wasn't. Sbarge doesn't have range, and it just bothered me.

But, and this is my biggest objection, Jacob still thinks about Miranda, is still hung up on her, and apparently believes that she deserves a better guy than him - but Shepard doesn't? Um. No. I don't think so, buddy.

A lot of it isn't their fault; it's the writing team. But then, consider, that's what we have, so that's what we're working with, here. Ultimately, I don't much like either of them. But if I had to pick, I'd pick Kaidan. In the long term, he's mostly stable and a nice guy. Doesn't demand anything from Shepard, likes her as she is.

But Jacob, Jacob's a good friend. Drinking buddies (wait, that's Chakwas...xD).

But let's be serious here.

Garrus is best for FemShep.

Not with Kaidan they don't.  You can stem the bud of romance very early in the game and never hear any dialog pertaining to anything but a professional relationship or friendship.  And here's the stinger, you can also talk to Kaidan and hear his story and thoughts without having to romance him, unlike Jacob who pretty much won't talk to you if you try to remain professional.

[yoshibb]

TeenZombie wrote...

The best and most convincing argument against a Jacob romance is his rejection scene:



I don't know how any IRL female could watch that and want to romance that guy.

He even pulls out the half ass 'I love you' line? My god, who wrote this poor man? I'd go for Harbinger, too. PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE! 

Aw that's so nice, you think I'm special  

[fortunesque]

yoshibb wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

The best and most convincing argument against a Jacob romance is his rejection scene:



I don't know how any IRL female could watch that and want to romance that guy.

He even pulls out the half ass 'I love you' line? My god, who wrote this poor man? I'd go for Harbinger, too. PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE! 

Aw that's so nice, you think I'm special  

Yeah, that made me cringe. That's the kind of guy my mom warned me about.... "But I love you"  

[thegreateski]

yoshibb wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

The best and most convincing argument against a Jacob romance is his rejection scene:



I don't know how any IRL female could watch that and want to romance that guy.

He even pulls out the half ass 'I love you' line? My god, who wrote this poor man? I'd go for Harbinger, too. PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE! 

Aw that's so nice, you think I'm special  

YOU ARE WELCOME SHEPARD.

Modifié par thegreateski, 01 mars 2010 - 06:27 .

[WilliamShatner]

yoshibb wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

The best and most convincing argument against a Jacob romance is his rejection scene:



I don't know how any IRL female could watch that and want to romance that guy.

He even pulls out the half ass 'I love you' line? My god, who wrote this poor man? I'd go for Harbinger, too. PRESERVE SHEPARD'S BODY IF POSSIBLE! 

Aw that's so nice, you think I'm special  

Mac Walters gets the blame for pretty much every thing bad about ME2, so I'm sure we can pin Jacob on him too.

[Punahedan]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Not with Kaidan they don't.  You can stem the bud of romance very early in the game and never hear any dialog pertaining to anything but a professional relationship or friendship.  And here's the stinger, you can also talk to Kaidan and hear his story and thoughts without having to romance him, unlike Jacob who pretty much won't talk to you if you try to remain professional.

Except that they do.

Every time I chose a paragon response to him, it seemed to point Kaidan to "She's flirting with me". When I woke up in Chakwas, I wanted to say, "It's not your fault", but that was a flirting option. The thing is that it's done so subtly that you don't notice it until you get to the overt "are we together?" dialogues. It's ninja-flirting. But it's definitely flirting. It's the same thing with Jacob. So you're stuck with the middle option or the rude renegade option. I can't be nice without flirting? 

But this happens with both of them. And yeah, I guess Jacob shuts down if you don't continue it... but he felt like a friend. But with both, the paragon option is flirting. Hell, with Jacob, it's always flirting. In fact, if Shepard were talking to me that way, I'd file for sexual harrassment.  But the key with Kaidan is that I couldn't tell. Which is better, in a way, so it feels natural - kind of like with Anomen in BG2 - but it was irritating, as well.

As I said, Kaidan is a better romantic interest, but Jacob is a good friend.

[GodWood]

Garrus

[WilliamShatner]

Hawkeyed Cai Li wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Not with Kaidan they don't.  You can stem the bud of romance very early in the game and never hear any dialog pertaining to anything but a professional relationship or friendship.  And here's the stinger, you can also talk to Kaidan and hear his story and thoughts without having to romance him, unlike Jacob who pretty much won't talk to you if you try to remain professional.

Except that they do.

Every time I chose a paragon response to him, it seemed to point Kaidan to "She's flirting with me". When I woke up in Chakwas, I wanted to say, "It's not your fault", but that was a flirting option. The thing is that it's done so subtly that you don't notice it until you get to the overt "are we together?" dialogues. It's ninja-flirting. But it's definitely flirting. It's the same thing with Jacob. So you're stuck with the middle option or the rude renegade option. I can't be nice without flirting? 

But this happens with both of them. And yeah, I guess Jacob shuts down if you don't continue it... but he felt like a friend. But with both, the paragon option is flirting. Hell, with Jacob, it's always flirting. In fact, if Shepard were talking to me that way, I'd file for sexual harrassment.  But the key with Kaidan is that I couldn't tell. Which is better, in a way, so it feels natural - kind of like with Anomen in BG2 - but it was irritating, as well.

As I said, Kaidan is a better romantic interest, but Jacob is a good friend.

But you're not forced to pick the paragon option.

I can't remember the exact line in ME1, but it's there and it's very clear.  I was able to go through my first playthrough of ME1 without meta-gaming and without ever having a hint of a romance with Kaidan and I was able to talk to him after every main mission like every other character and have a conversation with him picking nearly all paragon options.

[Nozybidaj]

WilliamShatner wrote...

I can't remember the exact line in ME1, but it's there and it's very clear.  I was able to go through my first playthrough of ME1 without meta-gaming and without ever having a hint of a romance with Kaidan and I was able to talk to him after every main mission like every other character and have a conversation with him picking nearly all paragon options.

I enjoyed talking to Kaidan in ME1 even though he wasn't a romance option.  I basically stopped talking to Jacob very early on once I realized I couldn't pick an option to further the conversation that didn't come off like a bad come on. 

[Treopod]

kaidan, cause jacob is just to generic, also it doesnt help that jacob is ugly as hell too

[Llandaryn]

Sialater wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Jacob vs Kaiden which one is better for female Shepard?

As a friend, Kaidan (in ME1). Because he's solid and dependable and as wooden as pinocchio.

But then he screws you over on Horizon in ME2, so then obviously Jacob's better, because he's your new bro.

If you're talking about romances, I can't compare. All in all, I'd say Kaidan's the friend who'll follow you to the edge and try to pull you back if you fall over, but not at the expense of himself. Jacob's waiting for you to fall and he'll quite happily catch you and pick up the pieces. But it you want to jump, and want somebody to jump with you, Garrus is the better friend.

A good friend will bail you out of jail, the best friend is sitting next to you in the cell saying, "THAT was fun!"

And it was!

[MarginalBeast]

Between Kaiden and Jacob? Definitely Kaiden, for reasons everyone has already explained.



But I prefer Garrus over both of them.

[DirtyVagrant]

Hello Ladies. Look at Kaiden, now back to me. Now back at Kaiden, now back to me. Sadly, Kaiden isn't me.