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[Tamyn]

DirtyVagrant wrote...


Hello Ladies. Look at Kaiden, now back to me. Now back at Kaiden, now back to me. Sadly, Kaiden isn't me.

^ Jacob wishes he looked like that guy. That guy looks better than Jacob. Kaidan looks a lot better than Jacob. Jacob is not attractive to me.

Elessara wrote...

Here's what I thought was odd about Thane as an LI. The man is DYING. How long does he have to live exactly? So we know right off the bat that it's not going to be long term. I mean, unless they plan to either kill off Shepard at the end of ME3 or kill off whoever Shepard's LI is in ME3 (and both of those would ****** me off) then, wth?

That's the reason for the groups in my signature. Seems like such a waste of a character and a new alien species and all the effort they went through in designing him.

Modifié par Tamyn, 01 mars 2010 - 07:26 .

[fortunesque]

Tamyn wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...


Hello Ladies. Look at Kaiden, now back to me. Now back at Kaiden, now back to me. Sadly, Kaiden isn't me.

^ Jacob wishes he looked like that guy. That guy looks better than Jacob. Kaidan looks a lot better than Jacob. Jacob is not attractive to me.

Unfortunately, poor Jacob has no lower half. His abs look like hamburger buns. Muscle is nice, but not that much muscle.

[Collider]

Tamyn wrote...
That's the reason for the groups in my signature. Seems like such a waste of a character and a new alien species and all the effort they went through in designing him.

Yea, wouldn't make sense for Bioware to throw him away like that. He was designed as a love interest specifically for female players, so unless Bioware decided that girls like terminally ill guys, I see him as being cured or at the very least surviving for most of ME3.

[Taritu]

Kaiden, not even a question. I like Kaiden, he's smart, reliable and thoughtful. And he seems to really care.



Jacob, well, I could never romance him because the conversations are so damn painful that I just don't talk to him except when I have no choice. Worse damn voicing in the game. Just gawdawful. This is not how I imagine my femshep talking or acting.



However, really, Liara every time. But Kaiden is at least a possibility, Jacob is awful.

[Mox Ruuga]

Taritu wrote...

Jacob, well, I could never romance him because the conversations are so damn painful that I just don't talk to him except when I have no choice. Worse damn voicing in the game. Just gawdawful. This is not how I imagine my femshep talking or acting.

Heh, not the best moment for Hale. Or the voice director either.

You can sort of navigate through it all and keep Jacob in the friend zone, but you have to block out FemShep's leering horniness mentally.

Was this the result of all those "FemShep isn't feminine enough!" threads in the old forums? Can we get the "professional soldier who happens to be a woman" back in ME3, please?

[Deco Bryl]

Kaidan and Jacob are good guys, but they're bland—blander than congee, blander than oatmeal, blander than water. If Mass Effect 3's gonna have any new human male love interests, they'd better have at least as much personality as Carth or Alistair, if not more. Heck, I'd even accept Captain Anderson as a love interest!

Welllllll...if I had to choose between Jacob and Kaidan, I'd choose Kaidan. Maybe it's his excessively handsome face. Maybe it's because I've sort of known him longer than I've known Jacob. Maybe I like that he's not an all-too-typical beefheaded male grunt, but a biotic techie. (That's not to say that Jacob is a beefheaded male grunt! ) I don't know. That's just what my gut is saying. Kaidan can serve under my FemShep anytime! *wink wink nudge nudge*

Modifié par Deco Bryl, 01 mars 2010 - 08:20 .

[Arteziya]

Garrus. No question. =Р

In all seriousness though, I like Jacob as a friend. His bro-hug was hilarious. He seems to respect you, you can connect as soldiers, etc. But as a LI he is just awful. It was all said before, about "Miranda needs a better man than I", "I want to keep things liiiiiight Sheppard" and, of course that HORRIBLE "priiiiiiiiize" line. Even if his character model looked better I still wouldn't romance him because of horribly written romance dialog.



Kaidan, on other hand... I didn't like him much in ME1. He was OK guy, but a little wooden and bland. Never understood why everyone called him whiny though. Guys, if you had a migraine even once you would understand that he is, in fact, don't whine and acts quite closed about it. What bugged me most of all in his character is that he is, um, ****whipped. He was so traumatized by Rana's reaction to his badass act that he erected impossible and quite silly standards of behavior for himself. It's not a sign of healthy personality. His romance in ME1 was a little boring, but generally nice. But I romanced him mostly because of there were no alternatives. Horizon scene, though... It was understandable for Ash, she has a fiery personality after all. But Kaidan's behavior in that scene was pure emo-rage. And betrayal. So - Hello, Garrus!



tl; dr

As a friend: Jacob > Kaidan

As a LI: Kaidan > Jacob

[Morning_Star]

Jacob no question. Even though Jacob was pretty useless and boring at least he wasn't a whiny B***h like Kaiden (Carth v2).

[Randy1012]

Kaidan for a Paragon FemShep, Jacob for a Renegade FemShep. Not that Jacob's a bad guy or anything, but the instant flirting from FemShep feels more appropriate when she's a Renegade.

Someone seriously needs to have a talk with Kaidan about that hair of his, though...

[Nozybidaj]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Jacob, well, I could never romance him because the conversations are so damn painful that I just don't talk to him except when I have no choice. Worse damn voicing in the game. Just gawdawful. This is not how I imagine my femshep talking or acting.

Heh, not the best moment for Hale. Or the voice director either.

You can sort of navigate through it all and keep Jacob in the friend zone, but you have to block out FemShep's leering horniness mentally.

Was this the result of all those "FemShep isn't feminine enough!" threads in the old forums? Can we get the "professional soldier who happens to be a woman" back in ME3, please?

I would bet good money that it was the directing more than Hale's delivery.  Hale is a pretty top notch voice actor, she wouldn't have been so over the top sexualized with those deliveries if she hadn't been instructed to.

[Pannamaslo]

FaeTian wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lol. Thane and Garrus are both more whiny than Kaidan AND Jacob both. Especially Garrus as of ME1. Thane is just an emo lizard with artsy fartsy flashbacks.

Garrus and Thane don't whine. Kaidan and Jacob don't really whine either.

Honesty, stop whining about whining or else I'll go on a whining rampage of my own about how much I hate it when people whine about certain characters being whiny.

Geez.

OK. Then he is not whiny for you. Even if I didn't care about whining  Kaidan is  still boring, dull and unintersting as hell.  I can't forget Mansel in Distress picture a.k.a rescue from Virmire.  As a character Jacob seems better (minus romance) IMO.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 01 mars 2010 - 10:58 .

[RedNanaki]

There'd still the prize line, but it would be very interesting to see how much more popular a love interest Jacob would be if not for the horror of the initial cringe-worthy dialogue option.

[Doug84]

LN19 wrote...

revan11exile wrote...

 For me i pick Jacob mainly because when i play with my male shepard i always think that the closest person to shepard is Jacob and i think that BioWare made the female shepard flirt with Jacob because it was meant to be.

Kaidan, because he doesn't look at Shepard as a "priiiizzee"

"oh come on baby, let me at that prize"

Ok, no, I've not seen the video of him trying to chat Shep up but I hear thats pretty much his level of seediness.

[CC-Tron]

fortunesque wrote...

Jacob is coming off of a relationship with Miranda. She is the one to email his father's whereabouts to him, and the looks they exchange after the mission is over are very telling. Though they were together then split up on bad terms, I can see some form of attraction that lingers between them. Jacob can be quoted as saying, "Miranda deserves a better man than I". He's still sore about their breakup, and I get the impression that he is on the rebound.

"Miranda deserves a better man than I". That's some thing a man usually says after HE decides to break up with a woman and feels bad about it. I think Jake is the one who ended the relationship with Miranda ; not the reverse. He never gave any impression at all that he's sore about the break up. It might have been a mutual split.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 01 mars 2010 - 11:40 .

[MutantSpleen]

Kaidan, hands down. He took two years to just get over you enough to go out and have drinks after you died. That man loves you. I just wish I got more than a hug at our reunion but I can see how he was freaked out.

[kaimanaMM]

Thane > All

(Please visit Tamyn's flow chart for analysis!)

If I had to choose between Jacob vs. Kaidan, it would have to be Kaidan.  I do have a ShepSave that I'll be taking through to ME3 that will remain loyal to Kaidan (my mainShep didn't romance anyone in ME1).  I actually thought Horizon was done just right, kind of that punch in the gut momment that leaves you shaken, bitter and unsure (and I have to say Raphael Sbarge's voicework on Horizon was top notch).  It was the email that made me shake my head.

But ugh, the first time I ever talked with Jacob on the Normandy I was like WTH SHEP!  I know it's been two years but dang!  He actually does have some semi-decent dialog with Shep where she can talk about her past and how for everyone else it's been 2 years but for her it's been 2 weeks (or something like that if you romance him), he asks her how she is.  But then it just devolves into this hideous "but the priiiiize", GAK!

(Not to derail the thread, just an aside, but to not get involved with Thane because he's dying and you think there's no way he'll make it to ME3 is really depriving yourself the experience of one of the better BW characters / romances there is.  And he will make it to ME3 or there will be some angry people who know how to snap necks in 8 different places.)

Modifié par kaimanaMM, 01 mars 2010 - 12:35 .

[Shenzi]

RedNanaki wrote...

There'd still the prize line, but it would be very interesting to see how much more popular a love interest Jacob would be if not for the horror of the initial cringe-worthy dialogue option.

I'll admit I ran screaming when I heard the tone my Shep used to ask Jacob about himself.

[Opal Moon]

Kaidan, Kaidan, Kaidan.

Did I mention Kaidan? 

Seriously though, it's not like I'm a rabid Kaidan fan and, honestly, given the option I would have romanced Garrus in ME1.  But, as it was I had to "settle" for Kaidan.    That being said, however, I rather liked Kaidan's character which grew on me as the game progressed.  Where some people see a boring, humorless man, I see a guarded individual who's got issues with losing control.  Loss of control, in his world, means someone ends up dead and being shunned by the girl he cares about.  I also found his awkward shyness around my Shepard to be very endearing.  Yes, I definitely like Kaidan.

Jacob, however....  I'm sorry, but no.  Just no.  Honestly, I never even considered him as a love interest, simply because just even trying to talk to him was off-putting.  Never even entered my mind to romance him (and now, after seeing those youtube videos, I never will. ).  Sorry, but choosing between Jacob and Kaidan just isn't even a contest in my mind.  Now, choosing between Kaidan and Garrus, however... There's a conundrum. 

Modifié par Opal Moon, 01 mars 2010 - 02:59 .

[crimsonrhodelia]

Opal Moon wrote...
Where some people see a boring, humorless man, I see a guarded individual who's got issues with losing control.  Loss of control, in his world, means someone ends up dead and being shunned by the girl he cares about.  I also found his awkward shyness around my Shepard to be very endearing.  Yes, I definitely like Kaidan.

This guardedness of Kaidan is exactly why it's all the more special and attractive when he opens up to your Shep...because you know he wouldn't let down his guard for just anyone.

[LOLandStuff]

Everyone wherever you go whines about something. How else would you Shepards solve problems and save the day?

I don't think Kaiden whines at all like some believe. What I think is that some need to get rid of that Carth image of their head and see Kaiden for more than Carth's whinny voice. The guy's been through a lot as an L2 and he seemed scared to make a move on Shepard. And let's face it, Shepard as a woman is hard to approach (ignore the cheesy Jacob romance). He doesn't whine, talking about your past's unpleasant experience isn't necessarily whining. He was cool about it and just wished to share since you ask him in the first place.

When people whine they tend to over-react and they seem pretty pissed off of their surroundings and anything. Carth anyone?

Garrus was complaining a lot. Every dialog I had with him was whine whine. He was immature and acting like a brat who needed some spanking and sent to the corner. He wanted to make a difference but couldn't. He argued with his superior and whined to his friends. I believe he somehow lived in his father's shadow, who from what he said seemed like a rock. "I am unimpressed. I am so stoic. Nothing can move me", he was a Sten.

And from a whiner he turned into a badass vigilante. Maybe you paragoned him in ME1, but Shepard isn't the best example of the untainted hero. His/her obsession of the reapers will make Shepard do whatever it takes to defeat them. See any similarity between them?

Thane, I like him but...Siha? Come one, giving me the same nickname as your dead wife? I find it disturbing and he seemed like a Casanova. "You are like an angel, I have never seen someone as pure and beautiful as you." Gets under the sheets with her and next morning repeat the same pattern with another woman.

Jacob?

Yo Jacob, I know I am the priiiiiiiiiiiiize and Imma let you finish...but I prefer remaining single for the rest of my second existence and beyond any other resuscitation.

[RazorNightngale]

Kaidan 100%.

He's sweet, good-looking, stable, intelligent, and can kick a lot of biotic ass.  He's also is one of the few characters that sees Shepard as a person and not as just as THE Shepard.  His reaction on
Horizon is also probably the most believable.  He's stressed out from dealing with colonists on Horizon, just starting to get his life back in order after losing Shepard, and is being brushed off by Anderson whenever he makes inquiries about the rumors that swirling about. 

It hasn't been a good couple days for him. 

Only then to have the rug yanked out from underneath his feet.  He blew up, got angry, it was understandable.  It doesn't help that the writers totally dropped the ball when it came to Shepard's responses (Oh hai.  Don't want to open up any old wounds).  He needed time to cool off, think things through.  I bet if we had the chance
to meet up with Kaidan later in the game again, the second meeting would have gone more smoothly.

I don't think he would come with Shepard, since he is willing to stick to his beliefs instead of just following her around like a love-sick puppy.  I respect him for that.   

The email was also perfect when it came to Kaidan.  He has trouble expressing himself , doesn't know where Shepard is emotionally (if she has moved on, is angry, decided to become a crazy cat-lady), and he is leaving himself a way out. 

(And for the people complaining about being forced into the Kaidan romance, I dunno, how about actually reading the responses instead of just picking the top response because it the paragon one?  Game actually works a lot better that way.)

So for me, the romances in ME2 are terrible. I found the whole staring-contest with the photograph much more romantic than any of the (pseudo)sex-scenes.  

Jacob, Thane, and Garrus are all great characters.  I like them, I made sure they survived the ending;
I just didn't find anything attractive about them.  Either appearance wise or personality wise.  

Jacob has overly defined shoulders and chest and the lower body of child.  Not a good look.  And men should never wear spandex pants unless they're dancing or in the Olympics.  He made it a literal "booty" call.  And the dialogue for this romance would have been fitting with some Bow
Chika Wow-wow playing in the background.  

As for Thane.  I personally hope they don't cure him.  It was the only thing that made him half-interesting (though
personally, I found him terribly boring and rather disgusting looking). He was basically a Carth-clone, minus the anger and passion that made Carth a great character. 

And Garrus reminds me of a spoiled little brother who thinks the world should be like the movies.  Yes, Garrus we know the Man is keeping you doooooowwwwnn.  You want to blow up a bus full of nuns and babies to stop a jaywalker.  Oh, look I just fixed your problems and now you're complaining on how I did
it.  Oh, you're thanking me by telling me how you scored with a turian chick, TMI kthxbai. 

And romancing him?  Ick, talk about chafing.    

Modifié par RazorNightngale, 01 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[yoshibb]

Pannamaslo wrote...

FaeTian wrote...

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Lol. Thane and Garrus are both more whiny than Kaidan AND Jacob both. Especially Garrus as of ME1. Thane is just an emo lizard with artsy fartsy flashbacks.

Garrus and Thane don't whine. Kaidan and Jacob don't really whine either.

Honesty, stop whining about whining or else I'll go on a whining rampage of my own about how much I hate it when people whine about certain characters being whiny.

Geez.

OK. Then he is not whiny for you. Even if I didn't care about whining  Kaidan is  still boring, dull and unintersting as hell.  I can't forget Mansel in Distress picture a.k.a rescue from Virmire.  As a character Jacob seems better (minus romance) IMO.

Yes, it was such a horrible change of pace after almost every game I've played up until this point has been cute girl gets kidnapped because she's a complete ****** and it's up to you to go save her because she obviously can't do anything on her own. How terrible they changed that just once so it was the man who needed saving for once. What was femshep doing? She should have been taken off in a helicopter by Saren so Kaidan can be a man and rescue her <_<

That scene was one of the greatest things ever for me because for once there was no gender stereotypes and I got to be the hero.

[Mox Ruuga]

The real question is:

Who was more whiny?

Aerie or Garrus?

Aerie's wings vs. Garrus' old job... Tough call, there.

[Aisynia]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Jacob really seemed to want you, male or female to like him.

He did a ****** poor job of doing things that would actually make me like him. Meanwhile, the dick-o-meter was redlining.

[Aisynia]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Taritu wrote...

Jacob, well, I could never romance him because the conversations are so damn painful that I just don't talk to him except when I have no choice. Worse damn voicing in the game. Just gawdawful. This is not how I imagine my femshep talking or acting.

Heh, not the best moment for Hale. Or the voice director either.

You can sort of navigate through it all and keep Jacob in the friend zone, but you have to block out FemShep's leering horniness mentally.

Was this the result of all those "FemShep isn't feminine enough!" threads in the old forums? Can we get the "professional soldier who happens to be a woman" back in ME3, please?

You have it in ME2, just never talk to Jacob except when getting his loyalty mission. And even then, it's all Renegade responses, even on my Paragon. Making it clear I don't like you Jacob. Deal with it.