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[The Angry One]

Wasn't Jacob a Corsair in the Alliance? Basically like a glorified privateer? That has to make him more of a merc than the rest of the Cerberus crew.

Sharn01 wrote...

It is also quite obvious that most of the crew have no idea what Cerberus is really capable of, the only plot hole in the whole thing is Joker, a pilot of his implied skill could have easily gotten a job, Cerberus was not his only option.  If the dialog had suggested that Joker joined because he was told he would work for Shepard again, that would be different, but that dialog does not exsist.

I've speculated about this in another thread. I'm not navy savvy but I'm pretty sure ignoring the command to abandon ship is court-martial worthy, especially if it gets the captain killed.

[Collider]

Shavon wrote...

your synthetic superior:

But Kaidan is seems to be half japanese half ukrainian, oh, whatever, that's all just speculation.

I was under the impression that Kaidan was from singapore.

[fortunesque]

Sharn01 wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I did not even like Thane very much, but Jacob criticizing him because "I dont like mercenaries, and assassin's are just precise mercenaries" line, I was looking for the Shepard responce to say, "You mean, mercenaries just like your a mercenary, hypocritical much there Jacob?"

Jacob worked for 2 organizations, the Alliance and Cerberus.  You'll note that everyone on the crew of the Normandy did the exact same thing, Joker, Chakwas, the engineering crew, and the cook.  I guess that makes them all mercenaries too.

Pretty much yes, though I think the majority of the crew on the Normandy was hand picked to make Shepard feel at home and give him/her the impression that Cerberus isn't so bad after all. 

It is also quite obvious that most of the crew have no idea what Cerberus is really capable of, the only plot hole in the whole thing is Joker, a pilot of his implied skill could have easily gotten a job, Cerberus was not his only option.  If the dialog had suggested that Joker joined because he was told he would work for Shepard again, that would be different, but that dialog does not exsist.

Sidetrail: I think Joker was grounded because of his actions on the previous Normandy. Cerberus told him about what was going on and offered him the job. Joker, along with Chakwas, agreed to join because they wanted to work for Shepard, not Cerberus.

That's the difference between Joker/Chakwas and the rest of the crew. They appeared to join up when TIM brought Shepard into the mix.

[wako58]

fortunesque wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I did not even like Thane very much, but Jacob criticizing him because "I dont like mercenaries, and assassin's are just precise mercenaries" line, I was looking for the Shepard responce to say, "You mean, mercenaries just like your a mercenary, hypocritical much there Jacob?"

Jacob worked for 2 organizations, the Alliance and Cerberus.  You'll note that everyone on the crew of the Normandy did the exact same thing, Joker, Chakwas, the engineering crew, and the cook.  I guess that makes them all mercenaries too.

Actually, yes. Or "freelancers" if you want to be pollitically correct.

No the term is "Alliance Corsair" if you want to be accurate.

[Gingeraids]

I think the mercenary bit would have been more hilarious if you could have had Zaeed in the room.



Or I think it would have reminded me of the beautiful moments in KOTOR where Carth and Canderous yelled at eachother. Am I wrong for thinking Jacob reminds me of a black Carth, while Zaeed reminds me of Canderous?

[wako58]

Hmmm...interesting speculation. I think Joker just wanted to fly again. Shep being in the mix is only a plus. Chakwas had a job at a medical center on Mars. I recall her desire to fly mentioned again as well. Again, Shep's prescence is a bonus and not their requirement for joining.

[fortunesque]

wako58 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

wako58 wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

I did not even like Thane very much, but Jacob criticizing him because "I dont like mercenaries, and assassin's are just precise mercenaries" line, I was looking for the Shepard responce to say, "You mean, mercenaries just like your a mercenary, hypocritical much there Jacob?"

Jacob worked for 2 organizations, the Alliance and Cerberus.  You'll note that everyone on the crew of the Normandy did the exact same thing, Joker, Chakwas, the engineering crew, and the cook.  I guess that makes them all mercenaries too.

Actually, yes. Or "freelancers" if you want to be pollitically correct.

No the term is "Alliance Corsair" if you want to be accurate.

I wasn't referring to his Alliance service. I was referring to his Cerberus time.

The perceived difference is that Jacob joined Cerberus before they decided to bring Shepard back. Joker and Chakwas joined for one mission because Shepard was coming back. Shepard is being forced into working with Cerberus because there are no other alternatives. Jacob decided to join Cerberus long before the Collectors started their attacks.

How that is viewed depends on how one perceives Cerberus.

[wako58]

@LuckyIronAxe

Oh I don't disagree with you. I like Kaidan as well I just felt he was more "needy", again just my opinion, than Jacob is. I saved Kaidan. I Virmired Ashley.

Modifié par wako58, 01 mars 2010 - 11:49 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Just like in real life, there are guys you can date, and guys who just make better bar buddies.

[wako58]

I don't think "corsair" and "privateer" are interchangeable terms. At least not in the manner they're explained in ME2. Corsairs engaged in missions for the Alliance outside of Alliance space. That way if they are caught the Alliance can disavow any knowledge of their actions. That is how its explained in his dialogue with Shep. A privateer is a pirate sanctioned by one nation/organization/world? to attack, rob, and destroy another's commercial trading vessels.



Not the same thing.

[wako58]

Modifié par wako58, 02 mars 2010 - 12:04 .

[wako58]

damn, sorry guys dbl post

[The Angry One]

wako58 wrote...

I don't think "corsair" and "privateer" are interchangeable terms. At least not in the manner they're explained in ME2. Corsairs engaged in missions for the Alliance outside of Alliance space. That way if they are caught the Alliance can disavow any knowledge of their actions. That is how its explained in his dialogue with Shep. A privateer is a pirate sanctioned by one nation/organization/world? to attack, rob, and destroy another's commercial trading vessels.

Not the same thing.

Yes, they're not the same in practice, but in effect they achieve similar goals - operating under a nation's direction while that nation maintains deniability.

[wako58]

@TheAngryOne



Yes, I agree its probably all just semantics at the end of the day. Mercenaries just usually don't limit themselves to one organization nor do they get involved with an organization's agenda beyond when is my next paycheck coming.

[DirtyVagrant]

Yeah, Jacob was a Corsair. Would have been nice and interesting if he told us some stories or something. But instead he just tells me he's looking forward to spilling drinks after doing his loyalty quest and hoping that I might one day play a FemShep.

[Gingeraids]

Also, this thread is silly now.



People are confusing their opinions with fact.

[Llandaryn]

Gingeraids wrote...

People are confusing their opinions with fact.

Well, yes. This is the internet.

[Gingeraids]

Also true.

[Jalem001]

At least Jacob was a cool character, Kaidan was annoying as hell.

[Estelindis]

Kaidan, for sure.

I don't feel Jacob really lived up to his potential - whereas anything that was "missing" with Kaidan just made him seem more intriguing. (I wanted to find out more about Kaidan, vs. Jacob's incompleteness just feeling like sloppy work on the writers' part. Then again... Jack *does* say that "Jacob doesn't know who he is," so maybe this was actually intentional.)

Anyway, as romance material, Kaidan is kind and thoughtful and seems to really care, whereas Jacob appears to be on a rebound from Miranda and calls Shepard a "prize" (when he's not directly implying she's sloppy seconds with his "Miranda deserves a better man than I" remark).

Modifié par Estelindis, 05 mars 2010 - 10:48 .

[Ieldra]

Estelindis wrote...

Kaidan, for sure.

I don't feel Jacob really lived up to his potential - whereas anything that was "missing" with Kaidan just made him seem more intriguing. (I wanted to find out more about Kaidan, vs. Jacob's incompleteness just feeling like sloppy work on the writers' part. Then again... Jack *does* say that "Jacob doesn't know who he is," so maybe this was actually intentional.)

Anyway, as romance material, Kaidan is kind and thoughtful and seems to really care, whereas Jacob appears to be on a rebound from Miranda and calls Shepard a "prize" (when he's not directly implying she's sloppy seconds with his "Miranda deserves a better man than I" remark).

I agree with this. Kaidan needs to be more confident and lose some of his timidity, but he's way better than Jacob. 

BTW, nice name, Estelindis - rather rare to find a name unique *and* beautiful.

[Tootles FTW]

Mondo47 wrote...
One word: chest. In comparison to Jacob, Kaidan is built like a boy.

Jacob has the waist of a twelve year old girl, and nothing about his abs can make up for that. 

Kaidan > Jacob, but Garrus > EVERYONE. 

[Estelindis]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I agree with this. Kaidan needs to be more confident and lose some of his timidity, but he's way better than Jacob.

I think we saw some of that confidence when Kaidan stood up to Shepard on Virmire.  He may be timid in some ways, but in others he has a backbone of steel.  Jacob, on the other hand, flipflops way too much.  Jack really is right about him not knowing who he is.

I hope we'll see a bit more character development from them both in ME3.  :happy:

Ieldra2 wrote...
BTW, nice name, Estelindis - rather rare to find a name unique *and* beautiful.

Goodness!  Thank you very much.    One handy thing about this username is that it's never taken in any community where I register.  Also, love for Tolkien's languages.