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[Balerion84]

I saved everyone only on my 4th playthrough yesterday

Tali in the vents, Jacob leader of the 2nd team
Garrus distraction team, Mordin escorted everyone back to Normandy, Samara biotic barrier
Miranda and Thane went with me to face the baby Reaper
Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus, Jack, Tali, Samara, Legion were holding the line (though Tali kinda doesn't fit in this company of psychos heh)

Mordin always died on me, so this time I sent him away and hoped he'd get there safely. On my first playthrough I didn't have enough renegade/paragon points to make Jack loyal so she died.

Modifié par Balerion84, 01 mars 2010 - 01:37 .

[Your Synthetic Superior]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

I lost Thane the first time, but figured it out on my own.

I thought that there would be more indepth options down the line. Didn't think it would be so short. Although she was my first thought, Tali seemed like overkill for opening a door. I thought something requiring a true tech expert might come down the line as well as something requiring Mordins' expertise, Grunts strength, etc.. I also figured as a second choice Thane would be physiologically and professionally better for crawling through a hot vent. Not to mention Jacobs referred to it as a suicide mission giving me the impression that the person going up the vents would have to fight whatever was on the other sie of the door solo before opening it for us. I was still in ME1 mode where sniper rifle + not a soldier equals tech type. With Tali as the LI I wasn't going to risk her and I forgot I even had Legion.

Afterwards, realizing how utterly simplistic the choices were and that no deeper thought was required (And realizing that Jacob grossly exaggerated the vent), I did a go without losing Thane.  Bioware built it up like you would have to work to keep your team alive, but in truth you have to work to get them killed which was a disappointment. Leaving Jack under Miranda's command doesn't even get anyone killed (first time I let her lead and took Jack. 3rd time I left Jack with her to see what would happen). I think it marginalizes the mission if everyone survives so easily. I will not be importing any everyone lives saves to ME3. I just have to figure out how to get specific loyal people killed so that each import can have different survivors and therefor up the replayability.

Modifié par Your Synthetic Superior, 01 mars 2010 - 01:44 .

[WarChicken78]

On my first playthrough I didn't know that after the Reaper IFF the time is limited.

I had Miranda and Legion not loyal yet and sent Legion into the tunnel.

He did the job, but died trying to close the door.

Then I took Garrus and Grunt to the final battle and because of the missing firepower at the gate Miranda caught a bullet.



I corrected that in my second (and third and fourth...) playthrough.

[Legbiter]

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

[Alamar2078]

So far no need to cheat. Even when Mordin is stuck "holding the line" he has always seemed to live [only played through hold the line 7 times or so but 7 of 7 is pretty good].



Note: I have reloaded when taking a LI to the final battle so I catch them just before they go over the edge.

[Seneva]

My first playthrough I lost 3 people. I didn't upgraded my ship. Tali, Thane and Jack died. Nobody died during the mission part though I only saved Chakwas from my abducted crew.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Seneva wrote...

My first playthrough I lost 3 people. I didn't upgraded my ship. 

Did you intend to have people die on the ship?

[Daeion]

I lost Thane my first playthourgh becuase I sent him through the vents and I was thinking back to Illium instead of listening to the whole tech part.  I have yet to loose Mordin, I always leave him to hold the line.  Really it's not that hard if you are paying attention to what is said before you need to make your decisions.

Modifié par Daeion, 01 mars 2010 - 01:58 .

[Louis deGuerre]

Didn't cheat, turned out I did everything right but Mordin died anyway.

I was kinda happy someone died (after I stopped crying of course).

Subsequent playtroughs always send him to escort back to ship and never lost another squaddie.

[Balerion84]

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

[Seneva]

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Seneva wrote...

My first playthrough I lost 3 people. I didn't upgraded my ship. 

Did you intend to have people die on the ship?

No. I had no clue why they died. I found out why they died reading here on the forum. I did do all the loyalty quests and assigned Tali as tech, Garrus as squadleader and Samara as a biotic expert. Send Mording back with Chakwas

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

Zaeed is a solist, not a leader.

Modifié par Seneva, 01 mars 2010 - 02:01 .

[Balerion84]

Seneva wrote...

No. I had no clue why they died. I found out why they died reading here on the forum. I did do all the loyalty quests and assigned Tali as tech, Garrus as squadleader and Samara as a biotic expert. Send Mording back with Chakwas

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

Zaeed is a solist, not a leader.

Zaeed died man. Good soloist survives. Bad leader gets his team wiped out. His team survived, he died. Obviously he was good enough leader to keep everyone else alive, but bad soloist as he himself died.

[Seneva]

Balerion84 wrote...

Seneva wrote...

No. I had no clue why they died. I found out why they died reading here on the forum. I did do all the loyalty quests and assigned Tali as tech, Garrus as squadleader and Samara as a biotic expert. Send Mording back with Chakwas

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

Zaeed is a solist, not a leader.

Zaeed died man. Good soloist survives. Bad leader gets his team wiped out. His team survived, he died. Obviously he was good enough leader to keep everyone else alive, but bad soloist as he himself died.

Zaeed takes care of himself and himself alone.

[ZennExile]

Zaeed was a last minute "cool factor" addition. Maybe lets not rely on the novelty character to play a signifigant role?

[EmmaBeeba]

Cheating is beginning to get very tempting... still not sure what I'm doing wrong. I get all the upgrades available and do all the loyality missions and choose the right people for the jobs, yet in all 3 of my playthroughs my damn tech specialist dies! Please ME2 god, I want at least one playthrough where both Tali and Legion can survive!

[Balerion84]

Seneva wrote...

Balerion84 wrote...

Seneva wrote...

No. I had no clue why they died. I found out why they died reading here on the forum. I did do all the loyalty quests and assigned Tali as tech, Garrus as squadleader and Samara as a biotic expert. Send Mording back with Chakwas

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

Zaeed is a solist, not a leader.

Zaeed died man. Good soloist survives. Bad leader gets his team wiped out. His team survived, he died. Obviously he was good enough leader to keep everyone else alive, but bad soloist as he himself died.

Zaeed takes care of himself and himself alone.

That's nice and all, but it doesn't make any sense. Sorry.
If he takes care of himself and himself only, then why did HE die, yet his team survived? 
Logic: If he really cared only for himself he'd make sure to survive at any cost. He wouldn't give one **** about his team. 
Logically it doesn't make any sense mate.

[Legbiter]

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

His own men held him down and shot him in the head. He brags about being the sole survivor on a mission hence more creds for him. He goes ape****e on his loyalty mission to satisfy a vendetta. Don't get me wrong he's a great solo merc and peerless if you want to put down an insurrection or get hold of someone with gambling debts but as a platoon leader? No way. 

[Maginipowfire]

I actually saved everyone in my first time. But I thought I didn't because only Thane, Grunt, Jack, Legion and Garrus, appeared in the ending cutscene. I was suspicious so I tried to kill my characters choosing the ones I thought were the worst for the jobs, and then when I chose Miranda for the biotic shield thing, Mordin that was on my team, died. When I saw his death I figured that if they died it would show explicitly.

Modifié par Maginipowfire, 01 mars 2010 - 04:03 .

[Legbiter]

ZennExile wrote...

Zaeed was a last minute "cool factor" addition. Maybe lets not rely on the novelty character to play a signifigant role?

Hell just pick whoever has the best boobs of the specialists you need. Tali beats Legion hands down. Miranda beats Garrus. Samara beats Jack. Everyone lives.

[Maginipowfire]

Balerion84 wrote...

Seneva wrote...

Balerion84 wrote...

Seneva wrote...

No. I had no clue why they died. I found out why they died reading here on the forum. I did do all the loyalty quests and assigned Tali as tech, Garrus as squadleader and Samara as a biotic expert. Send Mording back with Chakwas

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

Zaeed is a solist, not a leader.

Zaeed died man. Good soloist survives. Bad leader gets his team wiped out. His team survived, he died. Obviously he was good enough leader to keep everyone else alive, but bad soloist as he himself died.

Zaeed takes care of himself and himself alone.

That's nice and all, but it doesn't make any sense. Sorry.
If he takes care of himself and himself only, then why did HE die, yet his team survived? 
Logic: If he really cared only for himself he'd make sure to survive at any cost. He wouldn't give one **** about his team. 
Logically it doesn't make any sense mate.

We can only speculate since we never saw what really happened, but imagine him as a soloist giving orders for everyone to take cover at the spots he chose, somehow it could have made him vulnerable to enemy fire. Hell, he could even die trying to save someone. Bottom line is, he isn't a good choice for a team leader.

[Vaenier]

When you do the vents, They make it sound like he will be doing a solo infiltration into the base, not walking slowly in a pipe viable to the Collectors outside...

I thought someone like Garrus would be suited for a stealthy break in, ya know, because he would be alone and could run into a collector patrol... but apparently there was no sneaking, just an incredibly awkward pipe that leads nowhere and serves no purpose... And a bunch of access panels that dont actually do anything, since there was nothing blocking the guys progress in the pipes to begin with...

They should have just ditched the 'suicide' mission crap. no body really likes it, it just makes tons more problems for ME3, and the guide comes out a day later so nobody ever dies after that...

[CMP023]

I didnt reload either.. I just chose the crewmates who seemed more appropiate for each job, and assumed that by taking the more "wimpy" ones with me against the final boss they would survive.

I sent Legion through the vents, Miranda as first squad leader, Garrus as second, sent Tali with the crew and Samara as biotic. Against the boss I took Mordin and Miranda. No one died...

Legbiter wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Zaeed was a last minute "cool factor" addition. Maybe lets not rely on the novelty character to play a signifigant role?

Hell
just pick whoever has the best boobs of the specialists you need. Tali
beats Legion hands down. Miranda beats Garrus. Samara beats Jack.
Everyone lives. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

Hmmmm.... The boob factor.... Never considered it...

Modifié par CMP023, 01 mars 2010 - 02:27 .

[Balerion84]

Legbiter wrote...

Balerion84 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Used common sense and saved everyone. The fact that so many gamers have problems keeping folks alive is puzzling to me. Really, I should use a techie to do technical stuff? A strong biotic to generate the force field? A proven leader for the fireteam? Whodda thunk it?

In one playthrough I used Zaeed for distraction team. Common sense says it's a good choice. He's tough, he survived a lot action in his merc days, he's one of the most experienced fighters on your team after all... yet he died.
Common sense indeed.  

His own men held him down and shot him in the head. He brags about being the sole survivor on a mission hence more creds for him. He goes ape****e on his loyalty mission to satisfy a vendetta. Don't get me wrong he's a great solo merc and peerless if you want to put down an insurrection or get hold of someone with gambling debts but as a platoon leader? No way. 

I agree, but that doesn't explain why he himself would die in that situation. And especially such a lame death like being shot through closing door. I'd expect his team dying cause of bad leadership or him dying in a suicide attack, but that death was just lame. Like he had no idea what to do in a firefight... 

[Balerion84]

Vaenier wrote...

When you do the vents, They make it sound like he will be doing a solo infiltration into the base, not walking slowly in a pipe viable to the Collectors outside...
I thought someone like Garrus would be suited for a stealthy break in, ya know, because he would be alone and could run into a collector patrol... but apparently there was no sneaking, just an incredibly awkward pipe that leads nowhere and serves no purpose... And a bunch of access panels that dont actually do anything, since there was nothing blocking the guys progress in the pipes to begin with...
They should have just ditched the 'suicide' mission crap. no body really likes it, it just makes tons more problems for ME3, and the guide comes out a day later so nobody ever dies after that...

Hah exactly. On my first playthrough I sent Thane through the pipes, I thought it'll be Splinter Cell mission and seeing how Thane got Nassana by crawling through shafts and stuff I sent him in there. The mission itself was a big surprise for me. 
Next time I used Tali...

Modifié par Balerion84, 01 mars 2010 - 02:30 .

[Cyberfrog81]

EmmaBeeba wrote...
Cheating is beginning to get very tempting... still not sure what I'm doing wrong. I get all the upgrades available and do all the loyality missions and choose the right people for the jobs, yet in all 3 of my playthroughs my damn tech specialist dies! Please ME2 god, I want at least one playthrough where both Tali and Legion can survive!

Probably chose the wrong person for "Fire Team"-leader: Known to work are Miranda, Jacob and Garrus.

As for Zaeed, I would agree the game doesn't present him as a great leader. Heck, he may not be much more of a "people person" than Jack anymore. Also, presenting him as a "last minute" thing does the character a disservice; if you actually use Zaaed in missions, you will find he sometimes chips in in various situations (like the "biotic god" scene), same as the other characters. Sure, his recruitment is the weakest, but it still beats all of ME1's "recruitment" scenes except Liara's.