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[The Uncanny]

NICKjnp wrote...

Tali's entire team got killed... not a good "leader".
Zaeed says that he once tried to take a Turian cruiser and all his team except for himself got killed... not a good "leader".
Mordin was not an STG operative.  He was a Doctor who led a team of research scientists who worked with the STG and had some STG combat training... not a good "leader".

But what happened to Garrus' band of mercs on Omega? And he quit the C-Sec team because he felt constrained by the rules.

As for Miranda and Jacob all we see them do in ME2 is follow orders from Shepard or the Illusive Man.

[Vaenier]

The Uncanny wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Tali's entire team got killed... not a good "leader".
Zaeed says that he once tried to take a Turian cruiser and all his team except for himself got killed... not a good "leader".
Mordin was not an STG operative.  He was a Doctor who led a team of research scientists who worked with the STG and had some STG combat training... not a good "leader".

But what happened to Garrus' band of mercs on Omega? And he quit the C-Sec team because he felt constrained by the rules.

As for Miranda and Jacob all we see them do in ME2 is follow orders from Shepard or the Illusive Man.

I would never take orders from Miranda. She constantly gives me bad advice and faulty intel. Yet she is a good leader? I thought using her would get the entire second squad killed.
Jacob is a leader? What? I never saw him lead crap. He is just some low ranking Cerberus operative who thinks when I say Hi, that i want sex...
What is wrong with these people O..o

[Relinquished2]

Lost non. It all comes down to common sense.

For Fire Team leader you need someone who knows how to lead, either Miranda (because she leads the cerberus facility where they did the Lazarus project,) and/or Garrus (cause he had his own team on Omega which he was the leader of,). I chose Garrus cause I wanted someone I knew could lead and trust.

For vents you need someone who can hack, that would be either Tali or Legion. I used Tali, cause I trusted her more than Legion.

The Second Team leader you must again choose someone with leadership skills, miranda or Garrus. I, again, chose Garrus, cause I trusted him more than Miranda.

For Shields you need a powerfull biotic, that's Samara and Jack. I chose Samara cause I thought she had more discipline than Jack, she would be more devoted to keep the shields up.

And for Escort you can pretty much choose anyone. I chose Mordin cause, well, he looks weak and wouldn't survive a long fight if you ask me.

Modifié par Relinquished2, 01 mars 2010 - 03:16 .

[Legbiter]

Vaenier wrote...

I would never take orders from Miranda. She constantly gives me bad advice and faulty intel.

Really? Constantly? 

Who is it that gets you up, armed and going? Tells you where to take cover, when to use the grenade launcher and just generally keeps you alive at the Cerberus space station?

Look, you failed the suicide mission, we get it. That's not the fault of the game designers though.

[Yakko77]

Beat the game 3 times and haven't lost anyone yet. As for my first play through, I must've guessed correctly on which squad members to send on various tasks and I had everyone's loyalty and the Normandy completely upgraded.

[Vaenier]

Legbiter wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

I would never take orders from Miranda. She constantly gives me bad advice and faulty intel.

Really? Constantly? 

Who is it that gets you up, armed and going? Tells you where to take cover, when to use the grenade launcher and just generally keeps you alive at the Cerberus space station?

Look, you failed the suicide mission, we get it. That's not the fault of the game designers though.

She told me to sell Legion. She said we didnt have to use Samara or Jack for biotic bubble duty. She told everybody to get on a shuttle for a ride to nowhere, so my crew could be abducted. She lost a multi billion dollar Cerberus facility when she had command, including dozens of lives, and didnt even care about it. Her top scientist betrayed her for no reason, and she had no idea about it. Her best and most loyal friend stabs her in the back on her loyalty mission, and again, she had no idea. I dont even want to know how her enemies treat her... She sends notice of Jacob's father to him, right before an important mission, so she could **** with his mind.

Ya, perfect leader material... [/sarcasm]

I think there is more, but I just kinda ignored her soon into my first playthrough.

Modifié par Vaenier, 01 mars 2010 - 03:28 .

[Pimmeh667]

I got them all on my first try.

[RuinerGaming]

I got lucky with my choices and did not lose anyone(All Loyal)

[FROST4584]

Yeah, I didn't 'cheat'. Before hand it was said that you had better upgrade everything before you go through the omega 4 relay. So like others have said that it is common sense that you do much as you can before you go. The only person I lost my first time was Jack, and that was because of the fight. I never lose people on my squad as well as my SR2 crew. No one dies , because I am the best and no one gets left behind!!!!

Modifié par FROST4584, 01 mars 2010 - 03:47 .

[Super_Fr33k]

First playthrough, lost Legion, because I thought Mordin made some sense as the first fire team leader-- I also didn't fully understand the suicide mission, and thought he would get killed if it was a bad choice. I like Mordin, but he is very old for a salarian, and before reading about the mission, I figured whoever got singled out for roles would be the most vulnerable. Unfortunately, Mordin being bad at that job was more Legion's problem than his...



Second playthrough, didn't lose anyone. Third playthrough, lost the crew because I wanted to take Samara and Thane along to more side missions (I tend to do Ilium late in the game, for various reasons). I thought that was lame, considering nothing else in ME is really "timed." Ironically, that was supposed to be the save that corrected mistakes in my first playthrough. Playing through again now, going to do absolutely everything before the IFF mission, then just Legion's loyalty. I intend to have at least two perfect save games to import to ME3, one with a renegade ending, one with paragon.



So, I didn't really cheat first playthrough, though I did know, obviously, that people could die. Since then, yeah, I have been cheating, if you wanna think of it that way. I did a lot better than some people on my first playthrough, as I'm always very thorough and I know better than to advance the story before doing side quests. I think of it as research more than cheating.



As you might've noticed, I've never lost Mordin though. I usually take Garrus and Samara for the end fight, because it's as close as I can get to Garrus and Liara, lol. Garrus and Liara made for an OP squad in ME1. Nostalgia can work in one's favor at times.

[Pocketgb]

Swore I'd not lose a single squaddie, but I send Mordin through the vents, and he came out and got shot.



So I reloaded, made sure everything was upgraded, did a mission on accident, and saved everyone except the Cerberus crew



Now I never lose anyone.

[Skurrow]

I was lucky enough to have everyone survived my first time through.



For info: Legion did the vents, Miranda led the other two teams, Jacob escorted the crew members back and I finished up with Miranda + Grunt at the boss.

[fredders]

Hah, I just did a quick playthrough to see if I could get every single person to die, and my Shepherd still survived! What the hell?!? I did no loyalty missions and got the Reaper IFF as soon as I could!



Does anyone know how to get your Shephard killed?

[Seneva]

[quote]Vaenier wrote...
I would never take orders from Miranda. She constantly gives me bad advice and faulty intel.
She told me to sell Legion.[/quote]
No, she didn't. She informed you that Cerberus has a significant bounty for an intact Geth.
[quote]She said we didnt have to use Samara or Jack for biotic bubble duty.[/quote]
No, she didn't. She said that "any biotic could technically create a bubble[/quote]
[quote]She told everybody to get on a shuttle for a ride to nowhere,[/quote]
And that's wrong why?
[quote]so my crew could be abducted.[/quote]
How is that Miranda's fault? TIM told you to get the IFF, not Miranda. EDI pretty much installed it right away. You don't even get the option to say "Don't install it yet but analyze is much as possible" 

[quote]She lost a multi billion dollar Cerberus facility when she had command, including dozens of lives, and didnt even care about it. Her top scientist betrayed her for no reason, and she had no idea about it.[/quote]
Wilson betrayed her because he believed that she didn't aknowledged his brilliance and felt that he deseved more. Listen to some of the logs where he voices his opinion about her.  Secondly Wilson made some errors that caused you to wake up early and Miranda tells him that his calculations were way off! He held a grudge against Miranda.
[quote]Her best and most loyal friend stabs her in the back on her loyalty mission, and again, she had no idea. I dont even want to know how her enemies treat her... [/quote]
Yeah, her best friend betrayed her. Because he was paid LOADS of credits by her FATHER. He grew up as a poor guy who gets offered LOADS of credits by her incredibily rich father.
[quote]She sends notice of Jacob's father to him, right before an important mission, so she could **** withhis mind.[/quote]
His father only recently send that signal. She picked it up and forwarded it to Jacob.
 Garrus, Grunt, Samara, Tali, Legion, Mordin and the rest of the crew also have things they want Shepard to do.
[quote]I think there is more, but I just kinda ignored her soon into my first playthrough.[/quote]
You really didn't think thuis through, did you? Everything you wrote is easely countered. If you don't like the character thats fine but writing a bunch of nonsense makes you look like a fool in my book

Modifié par Seneva, 01 mars 2010 - 11:58 .

[JamieCOTC]

nevermind

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 02 mars 2010 - 12:24 .

[Jackal904]

Nope, I saved everyone, including the crew, on my first playthrough on the first try.

[BlackFox26]

lol i did reload...

SORRY , but i sent mordin in as the tech specialist and HE DIED!

had all the right fireteam leaders i thought and i put the best salarian ex special ops.. guy with an omni tool and he died. had all loyalties besides zaeed. and no one else died after that.

Was reallllly pissed off... , but instead of taking it like a aaaaaaa satisfied player beating one of the all time great games.. i was liike f ck let me fix it.

and i put tali and it was an all go.

everyone survived

[AndroLeonidas]

First playthrough...



Legion through vents... Garrus as team leader both times because he was C-Sec. Jacob led the surviviors back cause he was Alliance... Miranda and grunt with me on the entire trip through the collector base. His inferno ammo is the S**T! And her heavy warp takes out coolectors left and right.

[Throw_this_away]

Tali got shot in the face in my first playthrough... because I chose Samara for my first Fire Team (I read the description and it talked about her experience... so I figured she would be an ok choice. She was not. Makes sense too... she works alone.

[DoctorCuddles]

Didnt need to, used Garrus as team leader, Samara for biotic shielding, Mordin for the escort, Legion went into the vents and I used Thane and Moranda for the boss fight. Absolutely no problems whatsoever =)

[Paluch_666]

i agree with Vaenier's earlier posts. i think it's a very stupid & bad design idea to "script down" which teammate will / will not die in the end on a basis of NOT doing their loyalty missions and making deliberately wrong choices when assigning them the tasks.

really, give me one reason why I SHOULDN'T do loyalty missions during my playthrough?

they make the story more interesting.. they get you to know your mates better, get your relation with them deeper. they allow to unlock new abilities, upgrades and outfits. they give you more playtime - missions, dialogs and MORE CONTENT. Hell, I have paid for this game, I want to play for as long as possible,get most value out of what I bought, why would I DELIBERATELY make my game experience poorer? just to see a 10sec death sequence somewhere in the end?

same thing about Normandy upgrades - is there any logical reason NOT to buy them? Shepard would have to be a complete idiot not to buy upgrades for his ship, bearing in mind what happened last time. Maybe, if the upgrades were for example made so expensive that you could only afford two out of three and you would have to face the consequences of your choice... but no.

I really enjoyed the "critical choice" mechanics in ME1, when you were really forced to sacrifice your squadmate on Virmire - this felt like a logical, "tough-but-necessary" decision, adding value to the whole story. Same thing with Wrex - if you didn't had enough par/ren points - you just had to kill the krogan and face the consequences. it was not your choice, but story's choice, and it felt right.

i simply feel that in ME2, most of the "critical choices" are simply down to "i'll do it properly, as logic would suggest, to get the most of my game" versus "i'm a lazy bastard, I don't care about the story, i'll just click through these stupid dialogs, gimme more shooting"...

Modifié par Paluch_666, 02 mars 2010 - 12:46 .

[Kileyan]

First playthrough I did every loyalty mission and kept everyone loyal. Not due to spoilers, just due to the fact I wanted to milk every little bit of content out of the game before my second play where I'd look at spoilers.



The suicide mission I lost a single person, Thane. I am not sure whether it was because he was a bad choice for crawling through the ducts or because I chose a bad person to lead the rest of the team I wasn't controlling. Thane died to a blaster shot as he was helping push the first set of blast doors closed. I didn't roll back the game to do it better, he was dying anyway and seemed like the sort of character who wanted to die in combat, not wheezing and suffocating in a bed as his lungs failed.

[RigAudio]

Nah, I didn't "cheat" the first time. I wish I hadn't lost the save of my first playthrough of ME2.

[Meltagunner]

I guess I would qualify under this category of 'cheating.' In almost every game I play I tend to gather up as much intel as I can tolerate on a subject, even if it's meta-gaming intel, before I dive into something. I never shy away spoilers, heck I sometimes read the end of novels before I begin them. I hate surprises. I guess it's in my personality to happy when I understand the factors of a situation or when I find some particularly interesting tid bit of data. In Mass Effect I justify it by placing that any good commander should use the full extent of his research and intel collecting abilities to factor into his decisions.



In the end my team got through intact because I knew what they were getting into, and given my pre-assault knowledge gathering it was just a matter of execution... I think Captain Kirk would approve.

[Jazharah]

The first time I lost *any* squadmate was when I intentionally didn't do a bunch of loyalty missions. I managed to get Jack and Mordin killed in my 4th playthrough. Other than that, with a little bit of logic and actually knowing your crew (Miranda/Garrus leading fireteams, sending Legion/Tali into the pipe and not Samara, letting Jack/Samara hold the biotic barrier, not Thane etc.), it's hard NOT to get out alive with your whole crew. At least.. it was for me.

The only time I 'cheated' by reloading was on Jack's loyalty mission. While I agreed to killing her former 'inmate', I did not like the way Shepard handled it one bit, so I went paragon there.