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[Ziggy]

The JoeMan wrote...

desala wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...
Does anyone else find it funny that Femshep supporters rag on Mark Meer's voice work because it doesn't have enough emotion? He's a MAN and a soldier. They basically seem to be saying that he's doing a bad job because he doesn't act feminine enough.

Yes of course, because being emotionally constipated is a masculine ideal.

And people wonder what went wrong in Western culture.

Your logic is flawed.  The only thing that changed in Western culture was the empowering of women.  Men haven't changed, the only difference now is that women seem to think themselves experts on how men should behave.  Being in control of your emotions does not equal being emotionally constipated.  Strong men remain in control.  The others like to spend their time starting Tali love threads on message boards. 

I very much disagree.
This stigma against men who show emotion and who like traditionally feminine activities like cooking and stuff, is so wrong. Men should be free to like whatever they want and be as emotional as they like and it is no reflection on their 'strength'.
edit: actually it takes more strength to be yourself than to conform to traditional roles and trends.

Modifié par Em23, 24 août 2010 - 07:40 .

[The JoeMan]

Em23 wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...

desala wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...
Does anyone else find it funny that Femshep supporters rag on Mark Meer's voice work because it doesn't have enough emotion? He's a MAN and a soldier. They basically seem to be saying that he's doing a bad job because he doesn't act feminine enough.

Yes of course, because being emotionally constipated is a masculine ideal.

And people wonder what went wrong in Western culture.

Your logic is flawed.  The only thing that changed in Western culture was the empowering of women.  Men haven't changed, the only difference now is that women seem to think themselves experts on how men should behave.  Being in control of your emotions does not equal being emotionally constipated.  Strong men remain in control.  The others like to spend their time starting Tali love threads on message boards. 

I very much disagree.
This stigma against men who show emotion and who like traditionally feminine activities like cooking and stuff, is so wrong. Men should be free to like whatever they want and be as emotional as they like and it is no reflection on their 'strength'.

This is all of topic but... To quote myself "the only difference now is that women seem to think themselves experts on how men should behave".

Of course being overly emotional is a sign of weakness!  That applies whether people are overly happy, sad, angry, empathetic or whatever.  When people are emotional they make poorer decisions.  Cooler heads prevail.

[Captain Crash]

 


Well what Bioware say is in stark contrast to what we believed in this poll and thread isnt it!!   Still very unsure of that 80% male figure... 

[theelementslayer]

Captain Crash wrote...

 


Well what Bioware say is in stark contrast to what we believed in this poll and thread isnt it!!   Still very unsure of that 80% male figure... 

lolz, dont worry this isnt it at all. it said 80% played as a male character. Did it say they didnt also play as a femshep. I fit into that category of a maleshep-I did two playthroughs as one. However I also played through 6 times on the femshep side. Its stats, and it doesnt mean its exclusive. Look at your results again, I think around 20% said they played female exclusively so it actully confirms it:wizard:

[Captain Crash]

theelementslayer wrote...

lolz, dont worry this isnt it at all. it said 80% played as a male character. Did it say they didnt also play as a femshep. I fit into that category of a maleshep-I did two playthroughs as one. However I also played through 6 times on the femshep side. Its stats, and it doesnt mean its exclusive. Look at your results again, I think around 20% said they played female exclusively so it actully confirms it:wizard:

hmmm actually your quite right...   who said these polls didnt work then  

[Shadow_broker]

Male shep

[shinobi602]

Captain Crash wrote...

 


Well what Bioware say is in stark contrast to what we believed in this poll and thread isnt it!!   Still very unsure of that 80% male figure... 

Lol, this forum is nowhere near representative of the general population of ME players. It's a very small minority.

With that said, I only play as a male Shepard myself

[XavierHollywood]

fem Shep is my canon Shep

[Akimbojoe]

Just judging from the opening post but there seems to be a bit of a bias here. That said I liked Meer's work and as a male with the romances in the game I just felt more comfortable playing the male Shepard.

[AngryFrozenWater]

theelementslayer wrote...

lolz, dont worry this isnt it at all. it said 80% played as a male character. Did it say they didnt also play as a femshep. I fit into that category of a maleshep-I did two playthroughs as one. However I also played through 6 times on the femshep side. Its stats, and it doesnt mean its exclusive. Look at your results again, I think around 20% said they played female exclusively so it actully confirms it:wizard:

You are right. I think that the people here honestly aswered the question. The poll results are just 7 percent off. I.e. 27% voted to play as FemShep only. The stats collected by BioWare just take the characters created into account. I assume that the people who voted in the poll do not and exclude the characters they've tested only and didn't actually play. I think most people have created a MaleShep (and played it at least once), but that does not mean that most people played as MaleShep. What the poll suggests is that the reverse might be true. Most people also created a FemShep. However, according to the poll it seems that FemShep is a bit more popular. :happy:

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 11 septembre 2010 - 04:11 .

[Elite Midget]

Or the poll is just a minority compared to the statistics that Bioware was able to obtain data for. Not to be rude or anything, just saying...



I also have a Femshep but I place my Male Sheperd before her. Though I must admit.. My Femshep had way more romance diversity. She could get with Liara, Kaiden, Jacob, Garrus, Thane, and Kelly(FemShep even gets a Lesbian option but Male Sheperd gets no such option!). While my Male Sheperd was restricted to mostly human women.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Elite Midget wrote...

Or the poll is just a minority compared to the statistics that Bioware was able to obtain data for. Not to be rude or anything, just saying...

The poll will be off a bit. No doubt about it. But the fact that 80% has male characters does not mean players don't have female characters. They might even play those more often. That's why the poll is interesting. It can differentiate. That's why we now know that this 80% does not mean that only 20% play female. The poll differentiates, and that single number without context from BW tells us little to nothing about FemShep.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 11 septembre 2010 - 06:20 .

[Fixers0]

I have both male and female characters and  I have to say that the male is my main character.

Why? Naturaly being a male myself i chose  a male character  when i first played mass effect 1, and entered the universe of mass effect, after i finished a (very complete) campaing mass effect 1 with  Lee Beckett Sheppard , i decided to play a second playthrough with Samantha sheppard,  after finishing  with her i came  to the conclusion that i liked a male character better.

The reason for this is that it felt that samantha sheppard is the wrong character , she seems like a replacement for sheppard rather then be it herself, she is essentialy doing a female who tries to do a males job which just feel wrong and unbelievable,  

About the voice acting, i don't want to make a problem of this , the Femshep does have more emotion in her voice that did have better moments then the voice of the Maleshep, but The MaleShep sounded  more formal, neutral and serious at other moments.  

[Whatever42]

Sorry but any Shepard in the film will be male. After 3 years of maleshep in the marketing and a majority of people playing a dude, I doubt Bioware would suddenly cast Demi Moore.



But that is neither here nor there since I predict no Shepard in the movie.

[amillian]

Male shep

[Getorex]

It is fairly simple. If you are a dude, and you play a femshep, you are playing a female character as a male. You can NEVER be a female, only a man pretending to be a female. Vis versa is true too. If you are a chick and you are playing a male shep, you are a girl pretending to be a male without ever actually BEING a male or actually knowing what it is to be male. Impossible. Thus, it is a game.



As far as that goes, I'm a dude. I always play a dude in the games. Why? Because I play it immersive - I project myself into the game and I am a dude, I only know what it is to be a dude (true for all men), I relate to being a dude, I cannot connect on the same level with a pretend female character because I ain't a chick. Simple. No bizarro transgender stuff, no homophobia, no bull**** men and women are the same with different bodies, just me projecting myself into the game for a few entertaining hours.



This is also why I ALWAYS play the character the way I would if I were really there. I do not go out of my way to be a paragon or a renegade so I always end up with a primarily paragon character with some renegade. I just can't "fake it" and make myself be a puritanical priss (paragon) or an abject **** sociopath (renegade).



Nothing hard to understand here, just simplicity.

[robtheguru]

Makes me laugh how seriously people take this topic. "Why isn't Femshep represented as much as Maleshep?"



The 80% of people who play Maleshep as confirmed by Bioware is the reason. As for those who then say, "But I can't believe that because on the poll here it's in favour of Femshep?!" Well do you really think the millions of people who play Mass Effect are going to make their way onto the forum?

[DenisLaMinaccia]

robtheguru wrote...

Makes me laugh how seriously people take this topic. "Why isn't Femshep represented as much as Maleshep?"

The 80% of people who play Maleshep as confirmed by Bioware is the reason. As for those who then say, "But I can't believe that because on the poll here it's in favour of Femshep?!" Well do you really think the millions of people who play Mass Effect are going to make their way onto the forum?

As said earlier, it doesn't mean that femsheps are only 20%

[Gorn Kregore]

looks like 60% of this forum is filled with obese individuals who like pretending to be women...

[GreenSoda]

Getorex wrote...

It is fairly simple. If you are a dude, and you play a femshep, you are playing a female character as a male. You can NEVER be a female, only a man pretending to be a female. Vis versa is true too. If you are a chick and you are playing a male shep, you are a girl pretending to be a male without ever actually BEING a male or actually knowing what it is to be male. Impossible. Thus, it is a game.

As far as that goes, I'm a dude. I always play a dude in the games. Why? Because I play it immersive - I project myself into the game and I am a dude, I only know what it is to be a dude (true for all men), I relate to being a dude, I cannot connect on the same level with a pretend female character because I ain't a chick. Simple. No bizarro transgender stuff, no homophobia, no bull**** men and women are the same with different bodies, just me projecting myself into the game for a few entertaining hours.

This is also why I ALWAYS play the character the way I would if I were really there. I do not go out of my way to be a paragon or a renegade so I always end up with a primarily paragon character with some renegade. I just can't "fake it" and make myself be a puritanical priss (paragon) or an abject **** sociopath (renegade).

Nothing hard to understand here, just simplicity.

That's actually an interesting standpoint. You don't play femshep because that would be less immersive to you ?

I never looked at it that way.

Imo, the game doesn't give you the oppertunity to play "as yourself". You are always Shephard. You're always going to be selfless in a way (fighting for the greater good). You always have the same voice. The game always tries to funnel you down either the renegade or the paragon path.

Imo, I play not my story, but I watch the story of Shephard unfold and have some influence over some choice tidbits while I do so.

After trying out maleshep for a while I simply decided that I'd rather watch the story of femshep.

I'm curious where she'll end up in ME3 and how she will deal with the Reapers.

[Galenwolf]

Maleshep i like to play as canon shep from the advertising and he seems to fit my image of Shepard better than Femshep, tho i am a biiig hale fan.

I also play games as ME for the most part, so the choices I choose in game are the ones I choose in real life. Its partly why I never play an evil character in RPGs.

Mass Effect is the most immersive game i've played because the universe and story are great and my character actually speaks.  With this to put myself in Shepards place I play as male shep, and in fact i use the default face because thats what I see shep look like.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 19 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Galenwolf]

Captain Crash wrote...

 


Well what Bioware say is in stark contrast to what we believed in this poll and thread isnt it!!   Still very unsure of that 80% male figure... 

coming from an MMO background, the population on the games forums are usually not a good cross section for the player base as a whole.

Half the time someone, say like blizzard, announces something that will change the something within the game. Half the forum go banana's over it because "it sucks and will kill WoW", yet once released its received very well by the majority of the player base who couldn't give a stuff about going on the forums and telling those complaining to stfu.

You have to consider that most players bought the game because its a good action shooter with a good plot, good voice acting, awesome environments and rpg parts that doesn't keep hitting you in the face with the "IM AN RPG!" yet do add to the game. Most of which would have been men who most likely played a male character.

Just because there are fans of femshep on the forums doesn't make you the majority of the player base.

If forums where a good representative for the majority of the player base most of the WOW player basw out there would know the lore inside out. Most don't, hell most don't even know there was a Warcraft RTS and just play it for fun and epix.

Modifié par Galenwolf, 19 septembre 2010 - 07:28 .

[earthbornFemShep]

I'm Commander Shepard and I support this thread.

[deep333]

Female shepard

Pros: Lovely bust line, looks good in her armor, can make her look very purty if i want to, constantly pleasing sexual stimulus while i'm battling my way through geth, collectors and other uglies..



Cons: Pathetic voice actor, sounds like a farm gal from kansas. If only they changed her....grrrr..





Male shepard

Pros: Badazz, great voice actor



Cons:

Not purty enough like the lovely fem shepard...

[Getorex]

GreenSoda wrote...

Getorex wrote...

It is fairly simple. If you are a dude, and you play a femshep, you are playing a female character as a male. You can NEVER be a female, only a man pretending to be a female. Vis versa is true too. If you are a chick and you are playing a male shep, you are a girl pretending to be a male without ever actually BEING a male or actually knowing what it is to be male. Impossible. Thus, it is a game.

As far as that goes, I'm a dude. I always play a dude in the games. Why? Because I play it immersive - I project myself into the game and I am a dude, I only know what it is to be a dude (true for all men), I relate to being a dude, I cannot connect on the same level with a pretend female character because I ain't a chick. Simple. No bizarro transgender stuff, no homophobia, no bull**** men and women are the same with different bodies, just me projecting myself into the game for a few entertaining hours.

This is also why I ALWAYS play the character the way I would if I were really there. I do not go out of my way to be a paragon or a renegade so I always end up with a primarily paragon character with some renegade. I just can't "fake it" and make myself be a puritanical priss (paragon) or an abject **** sociopath (renegade).

Nothing hard to understand here, just simplicity.

That's actually an interesting standpoint. You don't play femshep because that would be less immersive to you ?

I never looked at it that way.

Imo, the game doesn't give you the oppertunity to play "as yourself". You are always Shephard. You're always going to be selfless in a way (fighting for the greater good). You always have the same voice. The game always tries to funnel you down either the renegade or the paragon path.

Imo, I play not my story, but I watch the story of Shephard unfold and have some influence over some choice tidbits while I do so.

After trying out maleshep for a while I simply decided that I'd rather watch the story of femshep.

I'm curious where she'll end up in ME3 and how she will deal with the Reapers.

Even within the limits of the game, I play Shepard as myself to the point that I would not accept, it avoidable, the loss of a single squadmate.  I played Shep the way I would be Shep.  Doesn't matter the game (FPS or RPG), if I actually enjoy the game then it means I was able to immerse and THAT means I was able to relate to the main character to some extent as an extension of me.  I can't be a woman so that means I'm going to play a man, otherwise it spoils the immersion and the connection. 

I didn't get into the whole "Tomb Raider" game or movie, even given Angelina Jolie's bod, nor do I go for the FInal Fantasy thing for similar reasons...I just can't get into playing a game as someone or something I am not.  Playing a hot chick doesn't do it for me even if I can play through the male fantasies of hot babe-on-babe action.   Give me a protagonist that I can relate to or "become" in some way and I will likely get into the game.   Thus, male shep all the way.