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[pf17456]

implodinggoat wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

So I'm just wondering if the males who only play maleShep and refuse to play femShep also are unable to enjoy movies like say Resident Evil or any movies where the hero is a badass hot female and limit themselves to Riddick type movies

Personally I prefer cunning and determined female protagonists like Sigourney Weaver's Ripley from Alien and Aliens or Linda Hamilton's Sarah Conner from Terminator 2 to female protagonists who run around kicking ass like they're Arnold Schwarzenegger with boobs.  To me super strong heroines tends to come off feeling like roles written for men since they rely on masculine brute force rather than feminine guile.   And honestly I can't help but roll my eyes a little when I see a 110 pound actress knock out a 250 pound man with a single kick or punch.

[MINOR ME2: LAIR OF THE SHADOW BROKER SPOILERS] I likewise couldn't help but roll my eyes when I watched my Female Shepard beat the **** out of a huge alien with her bare hands during Lair of the Shadow Broker. [END SPOILERS]

That said I don't mind a female protagonist with freakish strength as much when the story gives the female protagonist a justification for such power like Major Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell who's strength is justified since she's a cyborg or Leelo (playe by Milla Jovovich) from Fith Element who's strength is justified by the fact that she's a genetically engineered weapon who just happens to have the body of an extremely hot chick.  So I find Commander Shepard's freakish strength somewhat more believeable since she's had genetic and cybernetic upgrades.

None the less I still prefer heroines who survive through cunning and strength of will to the ones who rely on physical prowess since they're more realistic and show that a woman doesn't need to rely on an unrealistic psuedo masculine physical prowess in order to be powerful.  For example Sigourney Weaver's Ripley is a great character because she survives using cunning and bravery in situations where more physically imposing male characters drop like flies.  Likewise Linda Hamilton's depiction of Sarah Conner in Terminator 2 is also a great depiction of female strength since she relies on her wits and strength of will to get her through situations where brute force would be ineffective.

I asked the question because I was wondering how much of a factor identification with the protagonist was. To rephrase I'll ask if it's assumed that everyone who plays Mass Effect  views the main protagonist as themself as opposed to viewing the main protagonist as someone else, say a fictional character you have control of. In the latter choice of gaming percepton if I get to choose what sex I get to play with and control then what pleases my eye is what I'll choose.

[JaylaClark]

I guess sometimes it is difficult to buy Commander Shepard's hand-to-hand abilities, because she doesn't look built to be an Amazon. (Though when Metal Dragon Kiryu draws his Freya Shepard, she comes out looking like a pretty buff woman indeed, and it doesn't seem to contradict what we can make out of femShep's body in the one scene we can see most of it.)



I still find her much more believably done than Buffy and other Whedon-esque women, regardless. And more to the point, she doesn't use her strength very often, as you'd expect from a Marine. ("When you're that close, it's time to leave," was the quote from a famous fictional Marine. About using a pistol, not bare hands.) I fully buy a woman being a superior shot (My mother, my sister and I being the winners hands-down at Duck Hunt back in the day), and that's really the key characteristic Shep needs.

[implodinggoat]

pf17456 wrote...

I asked the question because I was wondering how much of a factor identification with the protagonist was. To rephrase I'll ask if it's assumed that everyone who plays Mass Effect  views the main protagonist as themself as opposed to viewing the main protagonist as someone else, say a fictional character you have control of. In the latter choice of gaming percepton if I get to choose what sex I get to play with and control then what pleases my eye is what I'll choose.

Ahhh, good question.

Regarding playing the protagonist as though they were me or as though they were someone else....

Personally I do a little of both.  Though if I'm playing as a woman or another species then I almost always play as though the protagonist were someone distinct from myself.

Generally when I play an RPG I play the character as though they were me and in such cases I play as a male Soldier named Leonidas Shepard who looks a lot like a somewhat slimmer version of myself and who generally fits the definition of a Paragade, benevolent towards the innocent; but ruthless to my enemies and decidedly antiauthoritarian.  I identify most closely with this character since he looks like me and he acts like me (except when Bioware doesn't give me the choices I want).

However I've also done playthroughs where I play as though I were filling the shoes of a character more distinct from myself.  This was the case when I did my playthrough as my female infiltrator Motoko Shepard who I played like Motoko from the Ghost in the Shell Series.  As well as when I did a playthrough as a very ruthless renegade Vanguard and when I did a playthrough as Jean Luc Shepard who I played like Jean Luc Picard as a paragon who is decidedly more idealistic, less ruthless, and less antiauthoritarian than myself.

Both experiences are enjoyable in their own way, although I found being a Renegade extremely unpleasant in ME2 since I hate Cerberus and had no desire to play the game out as the Illusive Man's loyaly puppet.

[BloodyTalon]

If I used my own personality for my char it be paragon always so try to be different from myself just to keep the game interested.

[pf17456]

implodinggoat wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

I asked the question because I was wondering how much of a factor identification with the protagonist was. To rephrase I'll ask if it's assumed that everyone who plays Mass Effect  views the main protagonist as themself as opposed to viewing the main protagonist as someone else, say a fictional character you have control of. In the latter choice of gaming percepton if I get to choose what sex I get to play with and control then what pleases my eye is what I'll choose.

Ahhh, good question.

Regarding playing the protagonist as though they were me or as though they were someone else....

Personally I do a little of both.  Though if I'm playing as a woman or another species then I almost always play as though the protagonist were someone distinct from myself.

Generally when I play an RPG I play the character as though they were me and in such cases I play as a male Soldier named Leonidas Shepard who looks a lot like a somewhat slimmer version of myself and who generally fits the definition of a Paragade, benevolent towards the innocent; but ruthless to my enemies and decidedly antiauthoritarian.  I identify most closely with this character since he looks like me and he acts like me (except when Bioware doesn't give me the choices I want).

However I've also done playthroughs where I play as though I were filling the shoes of a character more distinct from myself.  This was the case when I did my playthrough as my female infiltrator Motoko Shepard who I played like Motoko from the Ghost in the Shell Series.  As well as when I did a playthrough as a very ruthless renegade Vanguard and when I did a playthrough as Jean Luc Shepard who I played like Jean Luc Picard as a paragon who is decidedly more idealistic, less ruthless, and less antiauthoritarian than myself.

Both experiences are enjoyable in their own way, although I found being a Renegade extremely unpleasant in ME2 since I hate Cerberus and had no desire to play the game out as the Illusive Man's loyaly puppet.

I've got a femshep who I've created who looks like my girlfriend. I've also got one who looks like one of my ex's.
Has anyobdy else done that ? 

[Silver]

pf17456 wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

I asked the question because I was wondering how much of a factor identification with the protagonist was. To rephrase I'll ask if it's assumed that everyone who plays Mass Effect  views the main protagonist as themself as opposed to viewing the main protagonist as someone else, say a fictional character you have control of. In the latter choice of gaming percepton if I get to choose what sex I get to play with and control then what pleases my eye is what I'll choose.

Ahhh, good question.

Regarding playing the protagonist as though they were me or as though they were someone else....

Personally I do a little of both.  Though if I'm playing as a woman or another species then I almost always play as though the protagonist were someone distinct from myself.

Generally when I play an RPG I play the character as though they were me and in such cases I play as a male Soldier named Leonidas Shepard who looks a lot like a somewhat slimmer version of myself and who generally fits the definition of a Paragade, benevolent towards the innocent; but ruthless to my enemies and decidedly antiauthoritarian.  I identify most closely with this character since he looks like me and he acts like me (except when Bioware doesn't give me the choices I want).

However I've also done playthroughs where I play as though I were filling the shoes of a character more distinct from myself.  This was the case when I did my playthrough as my female infiltrator Motoko Shepard who I played like Motoko from the Ghost in the Shell Series.  As well as when I did a playthrough as a very ruthless renegade Vanguard and when I did a playthrough as Jean Luc Shepard who I played like Jean Luc Picard as a paragon who is decidedly more idealistic, less ruthless, and less antiauthoritarian than myself.

Both experiences are enjoyable in their own way, although I found being a Renegade extremely unpleasant in ME2 since I hate Cerberus and had no desire to play the game out as the Illusive Man's loyaly puppet.

I've got a femshep who I've created who looks like my girlfriend. I've also got one who looks like one of my ex's.
Has anyobdy else done that ? 

Nah, I would not create a femShep based on girls I had a relationship with... it would immediately make me want to smack the screen (yes, I hate 'em that much) and I have only this one.

[Dead Community]

Female Shepherd for me. Jennifer Hale is commander shepherd in me eyes. Jennifer Hale's voicework just sounded more superior to Mark Meer's. I tried playing as a male shepherd but I just couldn't force myself to slog through with it after the first few missions. It felt like such a chore. I suppose its because I don't project myself onto my player character. I look at it more as controlling/guiding someone through their story arc and fem shep was just more of a fascinating, better acted character in my book.

Modifié par Dead Community, 20 septembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[Fixers0]

I Guess it depends on what you prefer, but i always prefered male as it is better for me to intentify with him, Fenshep is alright but she feels more like a placeholder for the Maleshep as she tries to do almost everything exactly the same way.

[Matterialize]

I play male when I want to feel like a hilariously macho space cop with a heart of gold, like the good cop in a buddy cop movie. Which is most of the time. I play female when I want to indulge in being a bit of a ****, which isn't as often, but I savor it more. Almost a guilty pleasure.



I guess I have more fun acting out the way I play male Shepard, but I have more fun watching femshep do things on her own (in the sense that she is just another NPC I'm giving directions to, and not so much a character whose shoes I'm placing myself in). Both involve a lot of explosions.

[Terror_K]

Krogan prefer Femshep. For some reason...



Not sure why.

[KLUME777]

Female Shepherd, because im always a woman in RPG's.



Not that i particularily like her, just more than Male Shepherd.

[KLUME777]

Double Post, ignore.

Modifié par KLUME777, 20 septembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Whereto]

i really dont support femshep getting the trailer spot light and nor do i play as her. I cant bring myself to bear with a woman that can do what a guy can do while see is smaller than him(punch a certain someone in a certain dlc). She just isnt realistic and if she was made to be realistic she would have to be a lot larger for the strength she possess's. In not sexist but its a fact that if a person is smaller than you they wont be as strong as you(muscular wise), if it was female shep that was larger and male shep that was smaller i would start to wonder there too

[m00nsh1ne]

I prefer male shepard personally. He just seems like the more logical galaxy saving figure to me. His voice acting is good as well. I like the tone Meer's voice has in it. Don't get me wrong I also enjoy Femshep but to me Male is the way to go.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Sunset Sill wrote...

The "80% played as male Shepard" makes total sense.

Erm... No. 80% of the players created a male character. That does not tell us if that 80% actually finished the game with that character. BioWare did not tell us that they've finished the game as a male charater.

A number that would be interesting and one that only BW could provide is: X% of the games that were completed used a male character. That would be a real indication of the popularity of male Shepard. Just counting the number of male characters created is meaningless.

Assume that 60% (a number pulled from thin air) of the players also created a female character (that's possible, because the 80% is not exclusive) and finished the game using that character then the female character would be more popular. The 80% provided by BW would still be true, but that 60% would not contradict it.

Example: 7 of my 8 ME2 characters were female. All 8 characters were imported from ME1. I never ever used the character creator of ME2 to create a character that I've finished. I've tested it to see how it worked. So, I probably contributed to that 80% provided by BW, but it is meaningless.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:30 .

[Amdusias]

WAAAAAOOOWWWW ... i am astaunished ... i always thaught gaming community was a male business !



well i dont wanna sound like a shovinist ... but i still wanna play as a dude because i can identifie more with him ... just feels more komfortable ...



i ve tryed to play as a female but it didnt feel like me and i always looked at the ()() ^^ but a femsheapard is ok too aslong as i am not her =P PLs dont take any offence in my comment =P just comment it in a neutral critical way ...

[Whereto]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Sunset Sill wrote...

The "80% played as male Shepard" makes total sense.

Erm... No. 80% of the players created a male character. That does not tell us if that 80% actually finished the game with that character.

A number that would be interesting and one that only BW could provide is: X% of the games that were completed used a male character. That would be a real indication of the popularity of male Shepard. Just counting the number of male characters created is meaningless.

Assume that 60% (a number pulled from thin air) of the players also created a female character (that's possible, because the 80% is not exclusive) and finished the game using that character then the female character would be more popular. The 80% provided by BW would still be true, but that 60% would not contradict it.

Example: 7 of my 8 ME2 characters were female. All 8 characters were imported from ME1. I never ever used the character creator of ME2 to create a character that I've finished. I've tested it to see how it worked. So, I probably contributed to that 80% provided by BW, but it is meaningless.

well 50% finished the game. I would say that male shep still has the advantage in terms of completion too. 
Though all these people that are asking for femshep to be the cover person for the game a bit more, you obvious arent thinking about the average consumer. If i was new to the franchise and i saw a ad for me3 with male shep then 2 weeks later one with femshep, i would well and truly be confused and you have just lost a customer as lets face it im not going to research why there is character changes . I might even go as far as not fully understanding the ad. Also gaming is very much a male dominated arena so why would they try to appeal to women when there isnt as much money to be made and risks?

[AngryFrozenWater]

Whereto wrote...

well 50% finished the game. I would say that male shep still has the advantage in terms of completion too.

You are incorrect. Were did it state that that 50% completed the game with a male character?

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 20 septembre 2010 - 09:42 .

[Gibb_Garrus]

Whereto wrote...

i really dont support femshep getting the trailer spot light and nor do i play as her. I cant bring myself to bear with a woman that can do what a guy can do while see is smaller than him(punch a certain someone in a certain dlc). She just isnt realistic and if she was made to be realistic she would have to be a lot larger for the strength she possess's. In not sexist but its a fact that if a person is smaller than you they wont be as strong as you(muscular wise), if it was female shep that was larger and male shep that was smaller i would start to wonder there too

All the more proof that femshep is really just a placeholder. They didn't change her animations, she can do the EXACT same things her much, much stronger male counterpart can do (I'm sorry, but femshep CANNOT headbutt a krogan, just no); and she was never given a default, much more detailed face as male shep was. BW did this because they thought that only a small part of their fanbase would be girls, so they didn't go through the trouble of individualising her more from her male counterpart. Little did they know that a large amount of males (as shown on these forums) would actually play femshep as their main character instead of maleshep. 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Why do I get the feeling that some of you consider this poll as a contest to win? It is not. It is collecting opinions. We don't have a context of the actual numbers collected by BioWare. We just can compare the numbers in this poll to those abstract numbers. Of course we currently have just a little more than 2000 forum visitors who voted in this poll. Those are likely not your average player. That's why I am interested in more detailed numbers collected by BioWare. Such as: X% of the players who completed the game used a male character.

Edit: Of course some of the players didn't finish the game (50%). And some finished it more than once. It would be great so see the male and female character distruction for that too.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 20 septembre 2010 - 10:01 .

[Zubie]

I play both equally for the most part. But if I have to call one my "main" it would be the male, mostly cause thats what I am and I also tend to just stick with the first character I create for a game.



FemShep is great. They just need to create a new set of animations for her, as several people here have already mentioned. They were rather "cringeworthy" in a few parts in ME2. I mean, trying to ram the Shadow Broker, really?

[Whereto]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Whereto wrote...

well 50% finished the game. I would say that male shep still has the advantage in terms of completion too.

You are incorrect. Were did it state that that 50% completed the game with a male character?

no no im not saying that the 50% completion rate is proof of males being used to complete the game more. BUT male characters are already 60% more popular than females so realistically the chance of male characters being used more to complete a game is higher than a female's chance. Im not saying that female completion rates are lower though to say they are higher than male completion rates you would be making a bold statement i and many people would struggle to believe 

[AngryFrozenWater]

Whereto wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Whereto wrote...

well 50% finished the game. I would say that male shep still has the advantage in terms of completion too.

You are incorrect. Were did it state that that 50% completed the game with a male character?

no no im not saying that the 50% completion rate is proof of males being used to complete the game more. BUT male characters are already 60% more popular than females so realistically the chance of male characters being used more to complete a game is higher than a female's chance. Im not saying that female completion rates are lower though to say they are higher than male completion rates you would be making a bold statement i and many people would struggle to believe 

The only thing I am interested in is whether FemShep is more popular than BioWare initially thought. And here is why:

This poll has a little history. Some people wanted to have better animation for FemShep and things like that. If BioWare would consider spending money on that then it would only make sense if players were really interested in playing as a female character. The only numbers that were available were those collected in brocodaily's Male to Female Gamers poll. That poll suggests that 1 out of 3 ME players were female. Some mentioned that this does not tell us how popular FemShep is. I said that I wished there was a poll about that. So flem1 simply told me: "Start your own poll then!" and here we are.

[Whereto]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Whereto wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Whereto wrote...

well 50% finished the game. I would say that male shep still has the advantage in terms of completion too.

You are incorrect. Were did it state that that 50% completed the game with a male character?

no no im not saying that the 50% completion rate is proof of males being used to complete the game more. BUT male characters are already 60% more popular than females so realistically the chance of male characters being used more to complete a game is higher than a female's chance. Im not saying that female completion rates are lower though to say they are higher than male completion rates you would be making a bold statement i and many people would struggle to believe 

The only thing I am interested in is whether FemShep is more popular than BioWare initially thought. And here is why:

This poll has a little history. Some people wanted to have better animation for FemShep and things like that. If BioWare would consider spending money on that then it would only make sense if players were really interested in playing as a female character. The only numbers that were available were those collected in brocodaily's Male to Female Gamers poll. That poll suggests that 1 out of 3 ME players were female. Some mentioned that this does not tell us how popular FemShep is. I said that I wished there was a poll about that. So flem1 simply told me: "Start your own poll then!" and here we are.

Yes your totally right about femshep being more popular than originally thought, but your poll is bias. If you can point to where that poll is more open to the general population of ME gamers i might consider it a fair poll . Also i would like to point out that people that are unhappy are generally more vocal than people that are. Your poll has been advertised to people that are in favour of femshep rather than the hole population so it holds a certain bias. Obviously to make a fair poll it would be impossible for you  because to get everyone to vote would need a compulsory system. If you could do this i believe you would find that femshep still is less popular as a completion character


But other than that i am in totally agreeance with your statement concerning the popularity of femshep

[Zubie]

I don't see the point of creating polls here. The sample size is way too small to obtain any sort of relevant data. If BioWare can mine these statistics from ME2 players, I'm positive they already know how popular(or unpopular) femshep is.



Just my opinion.