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[brfritos]

Jebel Krong wrote...

brfritos, no i am not saying that (i prefer infiltrator class myself), but let's say Bioware design a new trilogy, from scratch, they might decide to make a cool heroine with various skills befitting a quasi rpg design (ME2/DA2 type) and one backstory. not only does this have the advantage of all content being played by all players, but you can have far stronger writing because you don't have to worry about ambiguity and people can roleplay a lot more deeply as a result. is that not the best of all worlds? people complain because often shepard is a bit of a blank slate, but he has to be otherwise the workload for any content goes up 100% and they'd never get anything made... also you assume the 20% wouldn't buy the game anyway - Bioware games are generally AAA for a variety of reasons.

Yes, I'm asuming the 20% part.

But you're forgeting that Bioware tried something very ambitious, what games out there are like ME, where your actions are carried in so much detail for the next game?
Forget the discution if they are relevant or not, usually the games who did this let some of them being carried, but the story and behaviour are all predefined from the start.

When you have something predefined you can concentrate on more deep characterization, but at expence of freedom of choice.
You can see some of this happens in ME2, but there's also a great liberty of actions that Shepard can do.

I only wish they finished what they started with ME1, a game that tried to join TPS combat with pnp RPG (and was labled ARPG).
In ME2 they abandoned the traditional RPG way of ME1 in flavor of a more streamlined approach, but I think the original idea is still  valid.
In ME3 Bioware said that more traditional RPG elements will return, but the statistics indicates the opposite, people prefer a more streamline gameplay.

I respect Bioware immenselly  for listening to their fans, but some things you really have to be deaf about it and creat a game of your own.
I remember when the first Quake was launched, everybody on the market said that the idea of people paying for online gameplay was insane.

[Silver]

[quote]brfritos wrote...

[quote]Jebel Krong wrote...
I remember when the first Quake was launched, everybody on the market said that the idea of people paying for online gameplay was insane.[/quote]
And I still think paying to play online is insane because that DEMANDS that you also play the game.
Sure, there are things like DLC that you also have to pay for, but you only pay for it ONCE, and then it's yours.
I simply don't get the fascination of games like WoW and others that demand monthly fees to allow you to play, and I will not buy Diablo III if Blizzard wants money for the multiplayer-part.

Games for me are something that I enjoy in my free time, and something like WoW turns to work as soon as you want some advanced gear. That's not my kind of game.

[brfritos]

[quote]silverhammer08 wrote...

[quote]brfritos wrote...

[quote]Jebel Krong wrote...
I remember when the first Quake was launched, everybody on the market said that the idea of people paying for online gameplay was insane.[/quote]
And I still think paying to play online is insane because that DEMANDS that you also play the game.
Sure, there are things like DLC that you also have to pay for, but you only pay for it ONCE, and then it's yours.
I simply don't get the fascination of games like WoW and others that demand monthly fees to allow you to play, and I will not buy Diablo III if Blizzard wants money for the multiplayer-part.

Games for me are something that I enjoy in my free time, and something like WoW turns to work as soon as you want some advanced gear. That's not my kind of game.
[/quote]

Well, I have some bad news for you: Blizzard will probably ask for your money to play online.
That Battle.net doesn't work on their own, you know.

And I HATE WoW and similar games.

[kraidy1117]

Jebel Krong wrote...



you can make all the polls in the world - unless they cover the casual (i.e. non-hardcore, non-forum) market set, then they are invariably biased.

This means nothing, what's it mean. I played a Male Shep once thus I am in the 80% but I have played a Femshep 4 times, that's why the stats are BS and until BW organises it and makes it understanding, these stats are invalid. Thank you, and come again.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 20 septembre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Jebel Krong]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...



you can make all the polls in the world - unless they cover the casual (i.e. non-hardcore, non-forum) market set, then they are invariably biased.

This means nothing, what's it mean. I played a Male Shep once thus I am in the 80% but I have played a Femshep 4 times, that's why the stats are BS and until BW organises it and makes it understanding, these stats are invalid. Thank you, and come again.

er, you really didn't understand the stat pic, or discussion, did you?

[thechris845]

So far I've finished ME1 once and ME2 twice, and started numerous male sheps for each but never got around to finishing them. But, I've only used male sheps because I tried to play him as I would, and since I'm not a girl, I wouldn't play a femshep while making him like me. But, now I think I'm going to start a renegade shep, this time as female.

Modifié par thechris845, 20 septembre 2010 - 07:38 .

[theelementslayer]

Jebel Krong wrote...
er, you really didn't understand the stat pic, or discussion, did you?

No I dont think you do actually. Look at the wording

80% of the players played as Male Shepard.


80%, alright.
Does it say on average 80% played as him. No
Does it say the 80% were exclusive. No
Does it say that those 80% did not fire up a female shepard as well. No
Does it say only 20% played a female character. No
Is it implied. No, the stats are vauge.

Now understand that I agree that yes, hardcore fans visit the forums more often. However I have a buddy that is pretty casual at the game and said hes played both male and female. Actually all people that I know in real life, that play this game, have done at least one of each. Because it for replay value.

I dont see why you are so threatened that more then 20% of players play a femshep. OMG NOOOZ too much estrogen for my body to handle. Seriosuly, its a game, I play both, does it matter, no, am I part of both stats yes. Why do you want the female percentage to be so low?

Modifié par theelementslayer, 20 septembre 2010 - 08:04 .

[Getorex]

Jebel Krong wrote...



you can make all the polls in the world - unless they cover the casual (i.e. non-hardcore, non-forum) market set, then they are invariably biased.

The casual gamer is irrelevant and not to be listened to.  Those that merely <i>dabble</i> in ME (skip ME1, jump into ME2, MIGHT dabble with ME3) are a poor audience to listen to or watch. 

[Getorex]

JaylaClark wrote...

I guess sometimes it is difficult to buy Commander Shepard's hand-to-hand abilities, because she doesn't look built to be an Amazon. (Though when Metal Dragon Kiryu draws his Freya Shepard, she comes out looking like a pretty buff woman indeed, and it doesn't seem to contradict what we can make out of femShep's body in the one scene we can see most of it.)

I still find her much more believably done than Buffy and other Whedon-esque women, regardless. And more to the point, she doesn't use her strength very often, as you'd expect from a Marine. ("When you're that close, it's time to leave," was the quote from a famous fictional Marine. About using a pistol, not bare hands.) I fully buy a woman being a superior shot (My mother, my sister and I being the winners hands-down at Duck Hunt back in the day), and that's really the key characteristic Shep needs.

Thank you for touching on the other issue I have with femshep.  I just can't help but think (for instance) of the hand-to-hand episode in LotSB between Shep and the Shadowbroker.  Sorry, totally unbelievable for a femshep to the have the upper body strength and mass to make fists worth more than a tickle.  Hell, the average dude would break his wrist upon hitting a normal guy in the face. 

I have to find my protagonist believable physically when they are getting into physical scrapes.  So no, I don't buy Jolie as Tomb Raider (or Salt), what's her name Jojovavich (sp?) in Resident Evil (didn't like the movies, haven't played the games - not my style.  I'm a Ghost Recon, Half-Life, Crysis type of guy).  Don't go for superheros either with near magical powers (it is freaking boring for your protagonist to be virtually indestructable and unbeatable).

Matt Damon as Jason Bourne...THAT'S the stuff...as were all his enemies.  All that written, I DO have to say I liked La Femme Nikita (original French version).  Tough chick who did NOT rely upon physical strength, nor had the unrealistic ability to pound people twice her weight into the ground.  She was able to use fem wiles and a dead aim with a gun.  Realistic.

The chick in "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", etc, movies was also acceptably believable.  No bizarro physical capabilities or fighting capabilities...just the ability to use other means to win.

[Getorex]

Getorex wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

I guess sometimes it is difficult to buy Commander Shepard's hand-to-hand abilities, because she doesn't look built to be an Amazon. (Though when Metal Dragon Kiryu draws his Freya Shepard, she comes out looking like a pretty buff woman indeed, and it doesn't seem to contradict what we can make out of femShep's body in the one scene we can see most of it.)

I still find her much more believably done than Buffy and other Whedon-esque women, regardless. And more to the point, she doesn't use her strength very often, as you'd expect from a Marine. ("When you're that close, it's time to leave," was the quote from a famous fictional Marine. About using a pistol, not bare hands.) I fully buy a woman being a superior shot (My mother, my sister and I being the winners hands-down at Duck Hunt back in the day), and that's really the key characteristic Shep needs.

Thank you for touching on the other issue I have with femshep.  I just can't help but think (for instance) of the hand-to-hand episode in LotSB between Shep and the Shadowbroker.  Sorry, totally unbelievable for a femshep to the have the upper body strength and mass to make fists worth more than a tickle.  Hell, the average dude would break his wrist upon hitting a normal guy in the face. 

I have to find my protagonist believable physically when they are getting into physical scrapes.  So no, I don't buy Jolie as Tomb Raider (or Salt), what's her name Jojovavich (sp?) in Resident Evil (didn't like the movies, haven't played the games - not my style.  I'm a Ghost Recon, Half-Life, Crysis type of guy).  Don't go for superheros either with near magical powers (it is freaking boring for your protagonist to be virtually indestructable and unbeatable).

Matt Damon as Jason Bourne...THAT'S the stuff...as were all his enemies.  All that written, I DO have to say I liked La Femme Nikita (original French version).  Tough chick who did NOT rely upon physical strength, nor had the unrealistic ability to pound people twice her weight into the ground.  She was able to use fem wiles and a dead aim with a gun.  Realistic.

The chick in "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", etc, movies was also acceptably believable.  No bizarro physical capabilities or fighting capabilities...just the ability to use other means to win.

Actually, this gets to a point that should be incorporated into the game to make it more realistic.  Some actions available to male Shep should NOT be available/carried out by the fem Shep (and vice versa).  Male Shep can and does manhandle people, tosses them around, gets into hand-to-hand or fisticuffs.  Fem Shep does not toss people around, punch them out (except characters like the reporter on the Citadel because that is something anyone could do), get into hand-to-hand combat.  Instead, she relies on wiles and/or weaponry.  Fem Shep simply doesn't have the strength/power to make a believable punch, certainly cannot pick up somone and toss them, etc.  Make the actions/behaviors of the Shepard dependent (to some extent) on the sex of the Shep.  That would make it more realistic.  Right now, there is no difference whatsoever except body shape and voice.  Making them realistically different would increase the interest of gameplay.  It would be subtley different games depending on the sex of your Shepard.

[Silver]

Getorex wrote...

Getorex wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

I guess sometimes it is difficult to buy Commander Shepard's hand-to-hand abilities, because she doesn't look built to be an Amazon. (Though when Metal Dragon Kiryu draws his Freya Shepard, she comes out looking like a pretty buff woman indeed, and it doesn't seem to contradict what we can make out of femShep's body in the one scene we can see most of it.)

I still find her much more believably done than Buffy and other Whedon-esque women, regardless. And more to the point, she doesn't use her strength very often, as you'd expect from a Marine. ("When you're that close, it's time to leave," was the quote from a famous fictional Marine. About using a pistol, not bare hands.) I fully buy a woman being a superior shot (My mother, my sister and I being the winners hands-down at Duck Hunt back in the day), and that's really the key characteristic Shep needs.

Thank you for touching on the other issue I have with femshep.  I just can't help but think (for instance) of the hand-to-hand episode in LotSB between Shep and the Shadowbroker.  Sorry, totally unbelievable for a femshep to the have the upper body strength and mass to make fists worth more than a tickle.  Hell, the average dude would break his wrist upon hitting a normal guy in the face. 

I have to find my protagonist believable physically when they are getting into physical scrapes.  So no, I don't buy Jolie as Tomb Raider (or Salt), what's her name Jojovavich (sp?) in Resident Evil (didn't like the movies, haven't played the games - not my style.  I'm a Ghost Recon, Half-Life, Crysis type of guy).  Don't go for superheros either with near magical powers (it is freaking boring for your protagonist to be virtually indestructable and unbeatable).

Matt Damon as Jason Bourne...THAT'S the stuff...as were all his enemies.  All that written, I DO have to say I liked La Femme Nikita (original French version).  Tough chick who did NOT rely upon physical strength, nor had the unrealistic ability to pound people twice her weight into the ground.  She was able to use fem wiles and a dead aim with a gun.  Realistic.

The chick in "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo", etc, movies was also acceptably believable.  No bizarro physical capabilities or fighting capabilities...just the ability to use other means to win.

Actually, this gets to a point that should be incorporated into the game to make it more realistic.  Some actions available to male Shep should NOT be available/carried out by the fem Shep (and vice versa).  Male Shep can and does manhandle people, tosses them around, gets into hand-to-hand or fisticuffs.  Fem Shep does not toss people around, punch them out (except characters like the reporter on the Citadel because that is something anyone could do), get into hand-to-hand combat.  Instead, she relies on wiles and/or weaponry.  Fem Shep simply doesn't have the strength/power to make a believable punch, certainly cannot pick up somone and toss them, etc.  Make the actions/behaviors of the Shepard dependent (to some extent) on the sex of the Shep.  That would make it more realistic.  Right now, there is no difference whatsoever except body shape and voice.  Making them realistically different would increase the interest of gameplay.  It would be subtley different games depending on the sex of your Shepard.

Not going to happen.

[theelementslayer]

Getorex wrote...
Actually, this gets to a point that should be incorporated into the game to make it more realistic.  Some actions available to male Shep should NOT be available/carried out by the fem Shep (and vice versa).  Male Shep can and does manhandle people, tosses them around, gets into hand-to-hand or fisticuffs.  Fem Shep does not toss people around, punch them out (except characters like the reporter on the Citadel because that is something anyone could do), get into hand-to-hand combat.  Instead, she relies on wiles and/or weaponry.  Fem Shep simply doesn't have the strength/power to make a believable punch, certainly cannot pick up somone and toss them, etc.  Make the actions/behaviors of the Shepard dependent (to some extent) on the sex of the Shep.  That would make it more realistic.  Right now, there is no difference whatsoever except body shape and voice.  Making them realistically different would increase the interest of gameplay.  It would be subtley different games depending on the sex of your Shepard.

You do realize that they both are part machine right. A few enhancements and all that. So why should she be any different. A doi.. I mean I could make a female machine just as tough as a male one soooooo ya, dunno where your going with that.

[stewie1974]

theelementslayer wrote...

Getorex wrote...
Actually, this gets to a point that should be incorporated into the game to make it more realistic.  Some actions available to male Shep should NOT be available/carried out by the fem Shep (and vice versa).  Male Shep can and does manhandle people, tosses them around, gets into hand-to-hand or fisticuffs.  Fem Shep does not toss people around, punch them out (except characters like the reporter on the Citadel because that is something anyone could do), get into hand-to-hand combat.  Instead, she relies on wiles and/or weaponry.  Fem Shep simply doesn't have the strength/power to make a believable punch, certainly cannot pick up somone and toss them, etc.  Make the actions/behaviors of the Shepard dependent (to some extent) on the sex of the Shep.  That would make it more realistic.  Right now, there is no difference whatsoever except body shape and voice.  Making them realistically different would increase the interest of gameplay.  It would be subtley different games depending on the sex of your Shepard.

You do realize that they both are part machine right. A few enhancements and all that. So why should she be any different. A doi.. I mean I could make a female machine just as tough as a male one soooooo ya, dunno where your going with that.

Biotic "implants" aid biotics use and manipulation. During the rebuild scene of mass effect 2 you see a few implants added... note that skeletal and muscule structure are not altered in anyway..... "Strength" is not a quanity that is "added " by magical biotic implants...... no the boitic implants only aid in biotic things..... physical strength is still determined by skeletal and muscule structure.


However if there is a "biotic" knuckle duster that is used to bolster strength ... or a biotic energy envelope that surrounds the fist when a punch is thrown to give it extra "potency" then it's not graphically represented in game with the signature "blue field" of energy...

We can tell that "physically" the strength and endurance of a human being is not improved beyond basic.... cuz shepard still gets all puffy and out of breath after sprinting a short distance...... so much for the "machine" theory.

Femshep dosn't have a "female atheletes" physique either ... so I'm doubting she packs a punch equivelent to male shep who has the more traditional athletic/ soldier  build... fem shep isn't atheletic..... she even has boobs and a saddle ..

Just look on line for "Athelete" phsiques for females...you'll see fem shep is more "actress physique"

If she had linda hamiltons T2 build, or Sigourney Weavers Aliens build, might be a bit more believable... but believability is out of window with half the female sheps insisting on "neon pink" armor on the battle field as a good "tatical choice", hell why not get a giant green neon arrow above your head saying "target here".

Really I had enough problems with Male Soilder build shep fist fighting a huge beast 10 times his weight.. let alone tiny petite barbie shep..

Jennifer Hale... fantistic voice actress, no argument there... just the actual "phyiscal" realization of femshep I have a problem with.

Modifié par stewie1974, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:36 .

[Crackseed]

Given I'm on my 6th playthrough now and pondering another one, I figured I should weigh in as well hehe. I honestly greatly prefer MaleShep over FemShep - not out of any dislike of Hale though. I have adored Hale's work especially since KotOR and think she does a fantastic FemShep, but to me - Meer defines what I expect out of Shepard - and more so really fits into the role of a stoic "commander" for me, no matter how cliche that sounds. I think he had a few funky moments in ME1 but in ME2 I've had 0 complaints about his performance and think he solidifed why I have a hard time playing games with shoddy VA or even Dragon Age again with my mute protagonist >.>

I think the one gripe I have with the FemShep is that Hale is dynamic enough that it's actually almost an issue with how "emotional" she tends to get on some of the scenes. This is not a knock against her at all - again, nothing but love for her. I just don't think it quite jives with the image of Shepard. I still have a couple of FemShep playthroughs going though and I'm enjoying my Vanguard FemShep - something awesome about a strong willed woman charging left and right and pimpslapping baddies

So my vote is heavily to MaleShep, while also being very appreciative of having the FemShep option and the excellent VA they chose for her

Modifié par crackseed, 21 septembre 2010 - 01:35 .

[Silver]

I'm going to go out on a limb here with this theory, but what the hell.

Itc ould be that most of the people here playing femSheps, including me, are sick of always having a male protagonist in movies and games that saves the day/the universe.
I mean, how many good movies are there where a strong female is the protagonist ? Apart from the "Alien" Series and "Terminator" i'm not seeing that many.
Alright, there is the "Resident Evil" Movies, but while I like Milla Jovovich in "The 5th Element" i'm not all that sure of RE.

For me, the ME games are somewhat of a turning point: Games where a female protagonist can kick some ass and at the same time show a lot of emotion through a very good choice for a VA.
Dragon Age in that respect was somewhat of a disappointment for me though.
There were so many good VA's in there, but our protagonist was as talkative as the walking neon hack that Half-Life 1 & 2 had as a protagonist.

Modifié par silverhammer08, 21 septembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Jebel Krong]

theelementslayer wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
er, you really didn't understand the stat pic, or discussion, did you?

No I dont think you do actually. Look at the wording

80% of the players played as Male Shepard.


80%, alright.
Does it say on average 80% played as him. No
Does it say the 80% were exclusive. No
Does it say that those 80% did not fire up a female shepard as well. No
Does it say only 20% played a female character. No
Is it implied. No, the stats are vauge.

Now understand that I agree that yes, hardcore fans visit the forums more often. However I have a buddy that is pretty casual at the game and said hes played both male and female. Actually all people that I know in real life, that play this game, have done at least one of each. Because it for replay value.

I dont see why you are so threatened that more then 20% of players play a femshep. OMG NOOOZ too much estrogen for my body to handle. Seriosuly, its a game, I play both, does it matter, no, am I part of both stats yes. Why do you want the female percentage to be so low?

the figures would be meaningless if they had caveats all over them, like your precious little list there. If they weren't total percentages they would have said so. it sounds like you are the one who's threatened by that simple fact.

tbh i'd be happier if BW did go down the road of one protagonist per game (as i posted before) - whether it is male or female doesn't matter - only the character/gameplay would.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 21 septembre 2010 - 07:57 .

[brfritos]

stewie1974 wrote...

Biotic "implants" aid biotics use and manipulation. During the rebuild scene of mass effect 2 you see a few implants added... note that skeletal and muscule structure are not altered in anyway..... "Strength" is not a quanity that is "added " by magical biotic implants...... no the boitic implants only aid in biotic things..... physical strength is still determined by skeletal and muscule structure.

That's not what it's in the game or Miranda says.

Your bones and muscles in some areas were replaced and strengthened by fibers and implants.
You also gain upgrades that raises your physiques force, remember?

stewie1974 wrote...

Femshep dosn't have a "female atheletes" physique either ... so I'm doubting she packs a punch equivelent to male shep who has the more traditional athletic/ soldier  build... fem shep isn't atheletic..... she even has boobs and a saddle ..

Just look on line for "Athelete" phsiques for females...you'll see fem shep is more "actress physique"

You know, this really pisses me off in ME2.
In the first game the soldier femShep has a different body constitution than the vanguard femShep, that have a diferent constitution than the Adept/Sentinel/Engineer femShep.

And their breats size change too, the female Soldier in the first game has a different size from the Sentinel, for example.
The same goes for maleShep, BTW, you can see that the male soldier is more larger than a engineer one.

In ME2 all females have the same cup size and form, except Miranda and Samara, no matter what kind of people or race they are.
In the first game there are different cup sizes, you can see this if you put Ashley, Tali and a adept femShep side by side.

Also, it sadness me that this thread had become the "evil Neanderthals that men are" X "the good and almighty capable women".
Men and women are in the same level for me = meat.

Modifié par brfritos, 21 septembre 2010 - 08:24 .

[Jebel Krong]

^i think the body changes were armour-based rather than figure based, brfritos, as you don't have heavy/medium/light armours in the sequel, that wasn't necessary. you are right about the biological upgrades shepard gets though - expressly why he can wield the widow (with a suitable class) and krogan shotgun without breaking his arm/shoulder.

[Whereto]

Im pretty much over people saying femshep is so popular she should get ad time. Some people arent some are, though im tired of it because people are over looking two vital points

a) If they were all of a sudden to change the ad's to include femshep more often, i for one would be wondering wtf is going on with this game(if i was looking to buy it). The gaming industry isnt all about making us happy, its about getting new people to play it thus gaining the producers money. As much as it seems lazy, people are less likely to second look at a game or even research a game that confuses them. If you made one ad with maleshep then another with femshep, you would not only be appealing to a very small area of the gaming community with the femshep ad( women) but you would also lose people that associate default male shepard with mass effect.

b)femshep still isnt that popular. If any of you are willing to tell me that even though only 20% of players chose to make femsheps up, though they still managed to be used to complete the game more or just as much as maleshep, i would ask you to go and see a doctor. Sure the argument can be that players just make them up and stop playing with them but ive done that 5 times with femshep and so have a lot of my mates. I just cant get into seeing her fight like a guy and walk like one. Even though this "drop out" rate would be higher for maleshep i dont think femshep would fair to well either. IF there was 1 million copies of me2 sold(i know this isnt the amount) then only 500000 completed it, male shep still holds the ball in his park as 80% made one whether they completed it or not is hard to say though if only 20% made a female version obviously there is a lesser chance of the same male shep completion rate

Modifié par Whereto, 21 septembre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Christmas Ape]

In the first game the soldier femShep has a different body constitution than the vanguard femShep, that have a diferent constitution than the Adept/Sentinel/Engineer femShep.



And their breats size change too, the female Soldier in the first game has a different size from the Sentinel, for example.

The same goes for maleShep, BTW, you can see that the male soldier is more larger than a engineer one.

That's....simply not true. You can see it's not true on the character creation screen.

[Christmas Ape]

Jebel Krong wrote...
the figures would be meaningless if they had caveats all over them, like your precious little list there.

What I want you to do is to get in a car, or if you can't drive buy a bus ticket, and find the current whereabouts of whoever taught you about statistics.
And I want you to slap that ignorant liar in their goddamn face for teaching you things completely bass-ackwards.

I'm going to give you a total percentage and a problem, much like the one we have here:
40% of all North Americans have filled a bowl with food intended for a cat.
Use that figure to tell me how many people in North America own dogs.

[Gibb_Shepard]

just let this thread die. It's become a femshep worship/male shep bashing thread, i believe they already have one of those.

[Jebel Krong]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
the figures would be meaningless if they had caveats all over them, like your precious little list there.

What I want you to do is to get in a car, or if you can't drive buy a bus ticket, and find the current whereabouts of whoever taught you about statistics.
And I want you to slap that ignorant liar in their goddamn face for teaching you things completely bass-ackwards.

I'm going to give you a total percentage and a problem, much like the one we have here:
40% of all North Americans have filled a bowl with food intended for a cat.
Use that figure to tell me how many people in North America own dogs.

really? i invite you to do the same, if you can't understand simple facts presented on a simple graphic.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Jynthor wrote...

I play both but prefer Mark Meer by miles.

Err so why does a "Do you play MaleShep or Femshep" thread have over 100 FemShep signatures and not even one MaleShep signature?

Like i said man, this **** is bias as anything. They've rallied a bunch of females & overly curious males to stick it to the man; the man being male shepard, the intended protagonist in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 21 septembre 2010 - 10:50 .