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[XX55XX]

During work today, I had a thought: The Reapers are obviously hundreds of thousands of light years away from the Milky Way if they can see the entire span of it. Unless they plan to use a previously unknown mass relay to get to the Milky Way, it will take them thousands of years to get to even the edge of the Milky Way traveling under FTL speeds.

Hence, I can see Mass Effect 3 unfolding like this:

1. Shepard and his team discover that the Reapers are planning to use a mass relay or device out in dark space to get to the Milky Way.
2. They travel to the other end of the relay/get the device and destroy it in some epic contest somehow, delaying the Reapers by several hundred or several thousand years.

Then, this sets the stage for the next Mass Effect trilogy, where the big battle against the Reapers really happens, with another new protagonist and his/her team.

BioWare can drag out the Reaper conflict, and create another trilogy using the same plot device. However, it may draw the ire of certain gamers...

Modifié par XX55XX, 01 mars 2010 - 01:46 .

[Missouri Tigers]

That does seem possible. You delay the Reapers long enough so that they must manually fly in and that takes so long that galactic civilization advances enough to defeat them.

[TudorWolf]

As great as a new ME trilogy would potentially be, such an act would draw the ire of pretty much of all the fans. Imo anyway

[Akrylik]

deus ex machina ( or , literally, in Latin, "god from the machine"): a plot device in which a person or thing appears "out of the blue" to help a character to overcome a seemingly insolvable difficulty.

aka to meet the proclaimed deadline of 2012.

[Tal-N]

Welll.. we already know there may be a Reaper called Harbinger who has been directing the Collectors.



Either that or Harbinger was not a Reaper at all but was actually a being that was more than a little unethical and was making a Reaper Human hybrid in order to use it against the actual Reapers. Afterall, the final scene of the base blowing up has Harbinger saying 'you are destroying your only hope of salvation'. So it is possible that something which survived the prior Reaper harvestings finally decided to fight back using the genetics from the only species to get destroy a Reaper. Humans.



We may well end up fighting the Reapers long before they reach the galaxy but end up going into Dark Space itself for the battle with the help of Harbinger.

[Gill Kaiser]

I doubt that Bioware is going to keep the Reapers for a future trilogy. The Reapers are Shepard's nemeses, and he needs to be the one to take them out. Leaving it to someone else would be a disservice to the character.

There are plenty of possibilities for future antagonists without needing to keep the Reapers around.

[kraidy1117]

This would do more harm then good, and Bioware knows this. Why do you think Awaking will be ending the Darkspawn threat? So DAO2 has a different foe. Same as in ME. There is many foes that can be in future games like the Batariens and such.

[LadyLuminary]

If they don't have an epic final battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

Modifié par LadyLuminary, 01 mars 2010 - 01:48 .

[Ecael]

The lack of a victory against the Reapers in the third installment would invalidate the combined efforts of Commander Shepard and his squadmates.

[Akrylik]

LadyLuminary wrote...

If they don't have an epic finalk battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

this x∞

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

As much as this would make sense, i doubt that this is the way bioware is going to go. Hell i bet they look through all of the speculations people come up with just so they can make something completely different but better.

[Zhijn]

Mass Effect 3 will have to massive!
So many things need to come to a conclusion that dosnt leave the gamer with a "wtf" moment.

If they pull a stunt like your theory i'll just go play disney online and pretend i never heard of BioWare!. =P

[XX55XX]

LadyLuminary wrote...

If they don't have an epic final battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

I have no doubt that there will an epic final battle. It is only fitting that a trilogy will end in such a way. But will it be against all the Reapers, or just some of them? I believe that if BioWare wants to drag out the Reapers as a plot device, the writers will have Shepard confronting the handful of vanguard Reapers which are trying to "activate" mass relay so that the rest of the fleet may go through.

[kraidy1117]

XX55XX wrote...

LadyLuminary wrote...

If they don't have an epic final battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

I have no doubt that there will an epic final battle. It is only fitting that a trilogy will end in such a way. But will it be against all the Reapers, or just some of them? I believe that if BioWare wants to drag out the Reapers as a plot device, the writers will have Shepard confronting the handful of vanguard Reapers which are trying to "activate" mass relay so that the rest of the fleet may go through.

Thats just stupid. The Reaper plot device should end with Shepards story. Sorry if the main mission is too stop Reapers from opining a relay in ME3 I will just shut off the game. Why? Because it is a rehash of ME and is just plain stupid.

[XX55XX]

kraidy1117 wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

LadyLuminary wrote...

If they don't have an epic final battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

I have no doubt that there will an epic final battle. It is only fitting that a trilogy will end in such a way. But will it be against all the Reapers, or just some of them? I believe that if BioWare wants to drag out the Reapers as a plot device, the writers will have Shepard confronting the handful of vanguard Reapers which are trying to "activate" mass relay so that the rest of the fleet may go through.

Thats just stupid. The Reaper plot device should end with Shepards story. Sorry if the main mission is too stop Reapers from opining a relay in ME3 I will just shut off the game. Why? Because it is a rehash of ME and is just plain stupid.

True, true, can't argue with that one.

[Jalisurr]

I really think that all evidence points to some form of major battle in ME3, with the major plot being to gather allies and convince them to work together. I mean you have rachni, geth, quarians, alliance, council races, batarians, cerberus, etc. Which you can try to convince to help with the fight. It would be a great way to tie everything together, and paragon sheps would have an easier time recruiting some and renegade sheps the others.

[Knoll Argonar]

Okay: Shepard must defeat reapers...



... but how the hell do the reapers arrive? We destroyed Sovereign, we destroyed/conquered his factory, we disabled the keepers, we ripped out the collectors, which were the only connection they seemed to have in the Galaxy since Nazara died...



I'm with OP. ME trilogy seems to be more about stopping the Reapers from coming, because that would be certain extinction, than destroying them.

[Saberwolf116]

Ecael wrote...

The lack of a victory against the Reapers in the third installment would invalidate the combined efforts of Commander Shepard and his squadmates.

Not really. He'd basically be securing the galaxy for the next thousand years and saying "F you" to future generations.

This kind of reminds me of an old Futurama episode.

Modifié par Saberwolf116, 01 mars 2010 - 02:25 .

[kraidy1117]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Okay: Shepard must defeat reapers...

... but how the hell do the reapers arrive? We destroyed Sovereign, we destroyed/conquered his factory, we disabled the keepers, we ripped out the collectors, which were the only connection they seemed to have in the Galaxy since Nazara died...

I'm with OP. ME trilogy seems to be more about stopping the Reapers from coming, because that would be certain extinction, than destroying them.

Wait for ME3. Most likely it has to do with Dark Energy. Bioware is forshadowing something that has to do with dark energy. It will either be the means to kill the reapers or a way the Reapers are coming.

[cruc1al]

XX55XX wrote...

During work today, I had a thought: The Reapers are obviously hundreds of thousands of light years away from the Milky Way if they can see the entire span of it. Unless they plan to use a previously unknown mass relay to get to the Milky Way, it will take them thousands of years to get to even the edge of the Milky Way traveling under FTL speeds.

A few unwarranted assumptions here.

The Galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter, and judging by the scene where the reapers are approaching the galaxy, they can't really be much farther than that.

Second, why do you assume they're traveling at under FTL speeds? I would assume they're traveling at FTL speed. According to http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL, "roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise." Assuming they're exactly 100,000 light-years from the galactic centre, they would reach it in 100,000/(12*365) = approx. 22 years.

Modifié par cruc1al, 01 mars 2010 - 02:34 .

[PARAGON87]

It has been stated numerous times that Mass Effect will be with EA "for a very very long time".



Personally, whether or not Shepherd dies at the end of ME and there is another trilogy announced in the same universe... I'll be giddy like a pig in s**t.

[kraidy1117]

PARAGON87 wrote...

It has been stated numerous times that Mass Effect will be with EA "for a very very long time".

Personally, whether or not Shepherd dies at the end of ME and there is another trilogy announced in the same universe... I'll be giddy like a pig in s**t.

That does not mean the Reapers will the foas in any  other ME games. This trilogy is about Shepard and his fight with the Reapers. There is many other things that Bioware can do in future ME game, it does not need the reaper or any characters from the main trilogy.

[cruc1al]

PARAGON87 wrote...

It has been stated numerous times that Mass Effect will be with EA "for a very very long time".

Really? That's news to me. Have a source?

[adam_grif]

XX55XX wrote...

During work today, I had a thought: The Reapers are obviously hundreds of thousands of light years away from the Milky Way if they can see the entire span of it. Unless they plan to use a previously unknown mass relay to get to the Milky Way, it will take them thousands of years to get to even the edge of the Milky Way traveling under FTL speeds.

If they are 100,000 ly away, it will take them ~ 22 years to arrive based on the typical FTL speed of ~4500 C (aka 12 lightyears per day, given by the codex).

Me and one of the guys in another thread worked out an approximately 2 year transit time from where they are based on the assumption that the entire milky way is present, and the two edges are on a 90 degree angle from where they are. Actually it will be less than this, since we can't see the whole milky way, but it gives us a nice upper limit.

That said:

- Reapers can presumably travel faster than normal MEverse ships.
- Drive core charge problem.

The harder you work your drive core, the more it builds up a charge. Although it's very unlikely that they are so far away that FTL travel couldn't get them there in time, it is likely that since there is nowhere to discharge into when in darkspace (aka the galactic void), they simply can't maintain FTL cruise speed for years or even weeks. The reapers in the final cutscene of ME2 were not in FTL travel.

At STL speeds, they're thousands of years away.

ME3 will probably feature a climactic battle against some Reapers, but I doubt it will be the full fleet. They will find some other back door in, using some other undisclosed agents still in the milky way.

[Brass_Buckles]

I don't want to burst the OP's bubble, but I honestly think that ME3 will be the last Mass Effect game. It's really sad to think that, because I only recently played both games that are currently out, and I really love the ME universe. I love a lot of the characters--their backgrounds, their personalities, their motivations. I love the NPCs who show up in ME1 randomly and then reappear in ME2 so that you can run into them all over again (even if you can't talk to them). However, I think when it's over, we all need to just let it be over.



Even if a new ME series were begun with new threats, they'd probably switch to a new game engine, and it may even end up that we'd no longer have the same kind of character interaction we did before. Not that I mind if it becomes even more shooter-like, but I do love the RPG aspects--the character interactions, the ability to talk to NPCs, the quests, the ability to adjust my stats (oh, ME1, how I miss your lovely stats--and how I wish you'd let me respec them like ME2 does), etc.



No, I really think we're going to defeat the Reapers, somehow--probably with an army. And building that army will probably take up part of the game. Yeah, I know, "That's too much like Dragon Age." But I get the feeling we've already begun, depending on your character's actions in ME1 and ME2. I also doubt that we'll be directly fighting the army--probably it will end with Shepard and his/her squad taking down some main Reaper while the massive fleet he/she has built will deal with the rest.



But that's just my take on it.