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[kraidy1117]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I don't want to burst the OP's bubble, but I honestly think that ME3 will be the last Mass Effect game. It's really sad to think that, because I only recently played both games that are currently out, and I really love the ME universe. I love a lot of the characters--their backgrounds, their personalities, their motivations. I love the NPCs who show up in ME1 randomly and then reappear in ME2 so that you can run into them all over again (even if you can't talk to them). However, I think when it's over, we all need to just let it be over.

Even if a new ME series were begun with new threats, they'd probably switch to a new game engine, and it may even end up that we'd no longer have the same kind of character interaction we did before. Not that I mind if it becomes even more shooter-like, but I do love the RPG aspects--the character interactions, the ability to talk to NPCs, the quests, the ability to adjust my stats (oh, ME1, how I miss your lovely stats--and how I wish you'd let me respec them like ME2 does), etc.

No, I really think we're going to defeat the Reapers, somehow--probably with an army. And building that army will probably take up part of the game. Yeah, I know, "That's too much like Dragon Age." But I get the feeling we've already begun, depending on your character's actions in ME1 and ME2. I also doubt that we'll be directly fighting the army--probably it will end with Shepard and his/her squad taking down some main Reaper while the massive fleet he/she has built will deal with the rest.

But that's just my take on it.

Thats why I think if the Old republic is a hit they will make a ME MMO. Simply because with a universe like ME, it would work.

[PARAGON87]

cruc1al wrote...

PARAGON87 wrote...

It has been stated numerous times that Mass Effect will be with EA "for a very very long time".

Really? That's news to me. Have a source?

www.joystiq.com/2008/02/13/mass-effect-to-be-an-ea-franchise-for-a-very-long-time/

It was a long time ago, about a couple months after ME1 was released.  I think it was after the EA takeover of BioWare, and they expressed incredible interest in the franchise and they don't want to abandon it.

[Digital Supremacy]

People need to drop the fool notion that the Reapers cant get to the Galaxy without the Citadel relay. There is NOTHING, yes NOTHING along the out edges of the Milky Way but space dust, rocks, planets and stars. There is no force field, Dark Space is not a super secret evil dimension, dark space however IS the empty area between galaxies. It is obvious VIA the end cutscene the the Reapers are activating and are moving towards the Milky Way.

The Citadel Relay was ONLY the quickest route to exterminating the galatic civilization since every species uses the Citadel as a seat of power, killing them and shutting off all the relays allows the Reapers to quickly and easily exterminate everything since the species cant communicate with other systems and have little in the way of defense with such small forces in each system. Thats ALL the Citadel Relay was, again it was not some gateway to another dimension its just a fast travel station from dark space to the Citadel.

Imho, the only way to stop the Reaper threat is to destroy every single one of them. If they retreat to Dark Space, their safe zone, whats to stop them from rebuilding their numbers, creating better defenses and better weapons, and then returning in thousands of years or millions of years after their retreat? Anything else, as Sovereign said, is just delaying the inevitable, to me all Shepard and the other species can do if they don't destroy every Reaper is to just buy another couple thousand of years of survival.

People also seem to think the Reapers use the same tech as everyone else in the MEuniverse, need I remind them that its the other way around? Everything in the MEuniverse has gathered their tech from the Mass Relays and Citadel. Which I would assume is barely a fraction of the Reaper tech. The Reapers may have drive cores much more advance then our FTL drives that can go faster then a FTL drive, or for that matter, drivers that do NOT need to be discharged. We know next to nothing about how advance the Reapers are aside from that they created the Relays.

Modifié par Digital Supremacy, 01 mars 2010 - 03:05 .

[Mallissin]

I disagree. I don't think it'll be a giant Us vs Reaper battle, but the Reapers still have a lot of allies.

I have a feeling they'll be a big Babylon 5 style Dark vs Light battle, where either you need to choose which side to be on (and they'll give you a few plot devices making either reasonable) or it acts as an overshadowing element that you're trying to stop in order to save resources and lives.

If you saved the Rachni, you'll have some on your side, but there might be some on the Dark side too (like a Reaper indoctrinated queen). Might even have a Rachni loyalty quest attacking an indoctrinated hive that's been genetically modified, which would be awesome (a la Aliens)!

If you saved Wrex, you'll have the United Krogran on your side but clans like those behind the Blood Pack might be bought off by the Reapers (with power or promise of the cure like Saren), and you might need to use the genophage cure to buy them off yourself or strengthen Wrex' alliance.

The Vorsha seem to be the latest race being used by the Reapers. The race obviously has major insecurities (everyone sees them as dumb) that the Reapers are using to their advantage. I have a feeling they'll be the only Dark side race you can not convince away from the Reapers, kind of like the Reptilian Xindi in Star Trek Enterprise (where the Krogran are more like the Insectoids that figure it the truth in the end).

The list goes on, but too many plot devices are leading to an epic battle of some kind in ME3. As many other people mention, we're being lead on to that idea and if it doesn't happen most of us will be very disappointed.

Modifié par Mallissin, 01 mars 2010 - 03:11 .

[XX55XX]

cruc1al wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

During work today, I had a thought: The Reapers are obviously hundreds of thousands of light years away from the Milky Way if they can see the entire span of it. Unless they plan to use a previously unknown mass relay to get to the Milky Way, it will take them thousands of years to get to even the edge of the Milky Way traveling under FTL speeds.

A few unwarranted assumptions here.

The Galaxy is about 100,000 light years in diameter, and judging by the scene where the reapers are approaching the galaxy, they can't really be much farther than that.

Second, why do you assume they're traveling at under FTL speeds? I would assume they're traveling at FTL speed. According to http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL, "roughly a dozen light-years can be traversed in the course of a day's cruise." Assuming they're exactly 100,000 light-years from the galactic centre, they would reach it in 100,000/(12*365) = approx. 22 years.

Mistake in my logic. Thank you for correcting me.

[TomBmbadil]

Watch there be a whole other race of *Good* reapers that come in and have an epic battle with *bad* reapers when everything looks hopeless

[GnusmasTHX]

I laugh at the sheer stupidity of this thread.



Sorry. But if there's no big space ship 'splosions, I'ma slap a bish

[archonambroseus]

Mallissin wrote...

I have a feeling they'll be a big Babylon 5 style Dark vs Light battle…

If there's a dialogue option for "Get the hell out of our galaxy!  Both of you!" my head will explode from the sheer volume of fan ******.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

XX55XX wrote...

Then, this sets the stage for the next Mass Effect trilogy, where the big battle against the Reapers really happens, with another new protagonist and his/her team.

the protagonist will be a reaper with a change of conscience that incites a civil war. LOL

[Yona Ti]

TomBmbadil wrote...

Watch there be a whole other race of *Good* reapers that come in and have an epic battle with *bad* reapers when everything looks hopeless

That better not happen. That would so cliched' and cheesy. Just like they did with they geth, but it worked for them. Not so much for the reapers.

Modifié par Yona Ti, 01 mars 2010 - 04:14 .

[Mallissin]

archonambroseus wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

I have a feeling they'll be a big Babylon 5 style Dark vs Light battle…

If there's a dialogue option for "Get the hell out of our galaxy!  Both of you!" my head will explode from the sheer volume of fan ******.

They'll be a Lorien (B5) like figure from the race that created the Reapers and Mass Effect technology (the Ancients of StarGate lore). The Reapers are really just uncreative AIs with huge egos that need organic life to create new technology for them. You'll find the Ancient-dude on some world nibbling on the dark energy in a star, tap him on the shoulder and ask him for help. You'll have three dialog choices.

1. You caused this problem, help us stop them! Join us. (Paragon option, returns with you to the Citadel and **** slaps the Turian counciler when he denies the Reapers exist. You mount an impressive defense with his help, making the remaining Reapers flee to another galaxy. Ancient-dude chases after them hoping to nuture them into being a better race. Council blames the Reaper invasion on the Geth, yet again. Life goes on as usual.)

2. They're coming to kill us, tell us how to stop them! (Neutral option, gives you location of some mystical site with a device that can stop all mass effect fields in the galaxy. You use it to stop the Reapers and plunge all civilization into a dark age, albeit without much loss of life. You're stuck on the Citadel afterward, not knowing what's happening in the rest of the galaxy as the relays shut off. Liara eventually convinces you to fly back to the mystical site, taking several years, and you find the Shadow Broker and TIM there playing tug of war over a tiny little ancient device. You shoot them both so Liara can have it. Turns out it was a child's musical instrument.)

3. Why are you letting them do this? Are you a Racist? *turns to his crew full of various alien races* This guy won't help us, he's a racist! (Renegade option, Ancient-dude barters with you for stars in return for technologies and gives you a discount at his kiosk out of guilt. You sell him a few Battarian star systems in return for some cool ship upgrades. He sulks away to never been seen again after you destroy every single Reaper in a magnificent battle using your new Asgard-upgrades. Your new ship guarantees human dominance over the galaxy! TIM comes out of hiding to give you a awkward hug while sporting a woody.)

Modifié par Mallissin, 01 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[DarthCaine]

I think it will. The United races will try to hold them off, while Shepard destroys them with a virus or something like that

[RiverRat]

Simple! They capture Shepard, put him/her in deep freeze and wait the several hundred years it takes for the reapers to arrive. Pop them out at the start of ME3 and reduce the need to use the same characters and voice actors, minimizing their need to build on and incorporate the decisions of the player in the previous two games. Likely the only squadies to have survived that long would have been the Asari and possibly Krogan ones. However long lasting allies would likely still remember Shepard's contributions if they made it Rachni queen, the true Geth, ect... Liara would probably still make it.

Freezing Shep then thawing him/her out also makes sense in another way to reset Shep back to level 1 so to speak, and allow retconning for technology as things will have changed.

Modifié par RiverRat, 01 mars 2010 - 04:41 .

[tomaltach]

Digital Supremacy wrote...

People need to drop the fool notion that the Reapers cant get to the Galaxy without the Citadel relay. There is NOTHING, yes NOTHING along the out edges of the Milky Way but space dust, rocks, planets and stars. There is no force field, Dark Space is not a super secret evil dimension, dark space however IS the empty area between galaxies. It is obvious VIA the end cutscene the the Reapers are activating and are moving towards the Milky Way.

The Citadel Relay was ONLY the quickest route to exterminating the galatic civilization since every species uses the Citadel as a seat of power, killing them and shutting off all the relays allows the Reapers to quickly and easily exterminate everything since the species cant communicate with other systems and have little in the way of defense with such small forces in each system. Thats ALL the Citadel Relay was, again it was not some gateway to another dimension its just a fast travel station from dark space to the Citadel.

Imho, the only way to stop the Reaper threat is to destroy every single one of them. If they retreat to Dark Space, their safe zone, whats to stop them from rebuilding their numbers, creating better defenses and better weapons, and then returning in thousands of years or millions of years after their retreat? Anything else, as Sovereign said, is just delaying the inevitable, to me all Shepard and the other species can do if they don't destroy every Reaper is to just buy another couple thousand of years of survival.

People also seem to think the Reapers use the same tech as everyone else in the MEuniverse, need I remind them that its the other way around? Everything in the MEuniverse has gathered their tech from the Mass Relays and Citadel. Which I would assume is barely a fraction of the Reaper tech. The Reapers may have drive cores much more advance then our FTL drives that can go faster then a FTL drive, or for that matter, drivers that do NOT need to be discharged. We know next to nothing about how advance the Reapers are aside from that they created the Relays.

The thing about speculation is that it's most interesting when it's grounded in what is known. The problem with the nebulous "Reaper technology is better" claim is this: why isn't Plan B to just travel via FTL? You can't track a ship going at FTL speeds, so they could fly straight to the Citadel and have the same effect as if they'd arrived via the Citadel relay. Time certainly isn't an issue. The Reapers could use the Collectors to figure out that the galaxy doesn't take the Reaper threat seriously. They've waited 50,000 years, what's another 20? Actually, less than 20, since they've got better tech, right?

There's also another problem: "Ye cannae change the laws of physics." No matter how good their tech, they are still limited by the laws of nature. Sure, it's possible that the galactic understanding of the mass effect is like classical mechanics compared to the Reaper's quantum mechanics, but there's no indication that this is so. Pull something like that out of nowhere in a work of fiction and you risk people going "wtf?" instead of delightedly seeing how the dots connect.

Oh, and one other thing, "what's to stop [the Reapers] from rebuilding their numbers"...really? Did anyone else play the same game I did? Because I'm pretty sure the game I played heavily implied that harvesting sapient organic life was an essential part of how Reapers increase their numbers. For that matter, where would they find the materials to rebuild a bunch of two kilometer long starships in intergalactic space? Yes, it's not completely empty out there, but it may as well be when you consider the sheer amount of resources even one Reaper would require. Wait, let me guess, they've got better tech!

Modifié par tomaltach, 01 mars 2010 - 05:01 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Plausible.

Bioware just wasted a third of the trilogy for the purposes of some character builiding short stories and defeating a paper tiger of a throwaway villain. The main story line did not progress one bit. Makes me uneasy.

If Shepard kills off the whole Reaper fleet in a single game, they're going to have to work really hard so whatever solution they think up doesn't look like an asspull.

Any sort of take off of the ID4 final battle, where the heroes fight one enemy ship and the others are all magically defeated offscreen would feel cheap and unbelievable. Hell, any sort of conventional direct engagement with reasonable chance of success would wussify the Reapers.

[Skurrow]

Im pretty sure the Reapers will make it to ME3 in time.

It would be a huge disappointment for Shepherd, who is basically the Bane of Reapers everywhere, to miss out on a final solution of some sort.

Besides, didn't the reapers build the mass effect relays? Even if they don't already have one where they are, is it that unlikely that they couldn't build one, either with spare parts, or by disassembling one of their own kind?

In terms of plot, I don't rule out a break through in technology helping to defeat the reapers.

In the space of 2 years the original Normandy - once the most advanced ship in the alliance fleet - is all but nullified. The upgrades given to the Normandy 2 throughout the game make it a juggernaut in comparision.

Tech is advancing at an incredible rate - Shepherd seemed surprised at the concept that a band of Turian ships could disable a Collector vessel, despite single-handedly blowing one to smithereens just a little later.

We have already surpassed the 50,000 years lifespan given us by the Reapers (since they failed in their first assault) and perhaps ME2 has given us an indication of why, in the improvements the Normandy gains.

The same thing can be seen in ME1 where the prothean scientists that survived extinction managed to perfect relay technology.

The only thing which remains unsurpassed (as far as I'm aware) is the stealth system.

Whatever happens, BioWare have a really difficult time ahead. I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Total destruction of the reapers in head on combat will diminish them. A Matrix style ending with Shepherd sacrificing himself to bring about peace would be unfulfilling. A virus would be a cop-out. A delaying tactic would be seriously anti-climactic. The only thing I can see working (and people are probably gonna think of reasons why this sucks), would be a race against time to lure the Reapers into some sort of horrific armaggeddon trap which not only decimates them, but a massive part of the galaxy and not before they cause a huge amount of damage themselves.

Modifié par Skurrow, 01 mars 2010 - 09:24 .

[Vanaer]

Sure, it seems logical Shepard won't be taking on the Reaper fleet. But I do expect her to battle a few more Reapers and to discover a plot change concerning them. Perhaps you make them see reason, I do not know. 

Skurrow wrote...

Whatever happens, BioWare have a really difficult time ahead. I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Total destruction of the reapers in head on combat will diminish them. A Matrix style ending with Shepherd sacrificing himself to bring about peace would be unfulfilling. A virus would be a cop-out. A delaying tactic would be seriously anti-climactic.

The only thing I can see working (and people are probably gonna think of reasons why this sucks), would be a race against time to lure the Reapers into some sort of horrific armaggeddon trap which not only decimates them, but a massive part of the galaxy and not before they cause a huge amount of damage themselves.

Spot on, though the virus could be quite well a renegade option and the last a paragon. 

[alickar]

LadyLuminary wrote...

If they don't have an epic final battle, I'm going to flip my lip. They better not pull a Halo 3.

it does not take long fur reaperz to get to Milky way they can go through black holes 1 black hole in the center  of milky way=reaperz here

[Kurt M.]

Skurrow wrote...

The only thing I can see working (and people are probably gonna think of reasons why this sucks), would be a race against time to lure the Reapers into some sort of horrific armaggeddon trap which not only decimates them, but a massive part of the galaxy and not before they cause a huge amount of damage themselves.

I agree with that. In fact, that's the only way I see to eliminate the Reaper fleet (we all have seen how many of those bastards there are) in a "realistic" way. I've thought 2 possible options...

1) If you've saved the Collector's base, then the story is about finding some way to lure them to the Milky Way's core massive black hole, where....they'd stay there forever? they'd be crushed to less than dust by the tremendous pressure? Doesn't matter, the Reapers would be dead forever anyway.

2) Something about Haestrom's Sun (which, in my opinion, dark energy and suns exploting will have a MAJOR protagonism in ME3). Nothing can survive a star going supernova. Not even a Reaper fleet. Again, the story and final battle will be about luring the Reaper fleet to the Sun, maybe with some cool spaceship fights in the middle to give it some action.

Those are my 2 bets.