jasonontko wrote...
You totally did not address any point I made at all. You can bring all s****** history you want, you will not find another counrty on earth that is as diverse and internally peacful as the US is today. Every country has a history that is blighted.
But here you can come from anywhere in world and for the most part be treated as REALITIVELY equal compared to what you find in any OTHER country. This concept that a nation is more than where you come from and how you look is something specail. It really is the only thing in this world worth fighting and dieing for. But you are right that there many forces within this nation which make less than an ideal example to be emulated. The problems are frankly legion. Or use of force was not what I expected and I said so despite the scorn that was heeped upon me in 2004 for suggesting we need to concentrate on hearts and minds and not on killing an idea by killing the people who think it. People do not walk around with thought bubbles over their heads.
Despite all this, the concept we can live together peacefully under a common set of laws inspite our differences has evolved in America. Its a REALATIVELY new and maybe fleeting idea.
Now I know your argument so let explain for you since your only capable of emotional poltically motivated scorn. Nietzsche said it best 'Be careful when you fight monsters, least you become one .... when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares long into you.' This is a fine concept but you notice the 'be careful' portion of that paraphrase.
Which brings me to Burke "All that evil needs to triumph is for good people to do nothing." You see when there are monters in this world you should fight them but as Nietzsche warned you must doubt yourself least you become one. You may argue that their are no monster in this world, but I can see no reason how a dictator is not a monster ruling other equals without their consent.
I do not want America to dominate, I want the idea that happened to born in America, which is equality for all, to profligate. You want retreat in your own self absorbtion using logic to justify your own emotions instead of determining objective reality. My commentary is measured, tempered with doubt, and embrasssing to have to reveal in public for I can imagine the responses. This is not being self absorbed, this standing up for what is right. And if standing up for what is right is self absorbtion, then this universe is more f****** up than ME2 universe. There I tied back to the game.
Err, I think you're describing an idealized America, the one the forefathers were talking about. Because what you describe as America isn't the America I, or the entire world for that matter, see today.
I see government sponsored tortures, I see a lot of racism prominently against middle-eastern people. I see Governments performing illegal wire taps on their citizens, I see its very own people fighting tooth and claw against helping sick children and the poor via health care. I see barbaric executions, a system where if you look at the stats, those states have increased crime rates compared to states that do not execute their prisoners. I see Bank owners committing white collar crimes, nearly collapsing the economy, and walking away with a few extra billion dollars without repurcussion, I see horrendously low voter turnouts because the people have lost faith in themselves, their politicians, and their country. I see hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants who get tossed back over the border when they're discovered-Unless its harvest season, I see millions of people so beaten down and dejected they don't have the will to use the power the founding fathers gave them.
This may sound odd, but I am in no way anti-american. It is a beautiful country with so much potential, so many could have beens and should have beens, but I can't help but feel sad that your government commits serious crimes against its people, and is involved in many war crimes, not to mention staging an illegal war that has cost hundreds of thousands of lives to its own people, and the population is either so dejected they can't bring themselves to do anything about it, or so infatuated with themselves they can't even see the problem. And the few that notice and want to make a difference, the onces still have fight in them and want to see the America that should have been get flamed for anti-patriotism and president hating, ridiculed and ignored.
-Godeshus
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