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[BobbyTheI]

*stops stopwatch*

Thank you for your time. 

[ZennExile]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

[Rip504]

Wow why all the hate? I agree I wouldn't have mind coming across an undiscovered solar system or something similiar. Or something floating in all that dark space around the solar systems...???



I don't see how that is saying anything bad about the game tho.

[ZennExile]

BobbyTheI wrote...

*stops stopwatch*

Thank you for your time. 

When yer special thread gets moved to the other forum, think of me. 

[ZennExile]

Rip504 wrote...

Wow why all the hate? I agree I wouldn't have mind coming across an undiscovered solar system or something similiar. Or something floating in all that dark space around the solar systems...???

I don't see how that is saying anything bad about the game tho.

I wouldn't call it hate.  It just doesn't seem like this is something they could have overlooked.  There must be some sort of reason behind removing such a powerful element from the experience.

[Sleepicub09]

ZennExile wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

hey I'm just saying when someone disagrees even if they do it politely you jump down their throats that's pretty ass hole-ish  to me I can admit to being an ass sometimes but I'm not gonna hide and shout troll when somebody points that out. no matter what I said you wouldv'e incited a arguement  with you

[The Lord of Space]

ZennExile wrote...
There must be some sort of reason behind removing such a powerful element from the experience.

ZennExile wrote...
the developers think the average gamer is too stupid to find hidden
content

[BobbyTheI]

The ZennExile Dictionary

Troll (n) - Somebody who has realized that every single one of your posts could be adequately summarized as "You are absolutely wrong, and I am absolutely right, and no argument you make will ever change that" and refuses to bother arguing with you anymore.

*starts stopwatch* 

[ZennExile]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

hey I'm just saying when someone disagrees even if they do it politely you jump down their throats that's pretty ass hole-ish  to me I can admit to being an ass sometimes but I'm not gonna hide and shout troll when somebody points that out. no matter what I said you wouldv'e incited a arguement  with you

I never jump all over anyone for having an idea.  It's the whole trying to replace other people's ideas with their own thing that's annoying.  trying to bully someone into replacing their opinion with your own is hardcore trolling.  And as such should be discouraged.  It doesn't matter if I politely tell you "Yer wrong and I'm right", it's still offensive trolling behavior and shouldn't be tolerated. 

[AccursedOdin]

ZennExile wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I guess most of the "N7 missions" are the game's "secret" areas since you usually have to go looking for them.

You know I thought that at first but the % score on each solar system just pointed the way to them.  Combine that with an immediate "Anomoly Detected" the moment you vist any world kinda negates the hidden aspect.

I've never played an RPG before that didn't have a secret passage or hidden room.  Ever.

Did you play the first ME? I don't recall there being any secret passages or hidden rooms in that one.

Modifié par AccursedOdin, 01 mars 2010 - 07:01 .

[OptimusAlex]

ZennExile wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

But he is entertaining... and sometimes his rant's do make sense, sometimes.

They always make perfect sense unless yer a troll looking for any excuse to defend a bridge.  But at that point it doesn't really matter anymore. 

Hey ya know if you don't like the bridge, don't walk over it. you can always swim.

oh and this whole "im gonna be like Yahtzee thing" is irritating

[ZennExile]

The Lord of Space wrote...

ZennExile wrote...
There must be some sort of reason behind removing such a powerful element from the experience.

ZennExile wrote...
the developers think the average gamer is too stupid to find hidden
content

I know it seems like everyone should think like you and understand what you mean when you just pick stuff out of context and quote it in responce to something, but that's not the case.

[Sleepicub09]

ZennExile wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

hey I'm just saying when someone disagrees even if they do it politely you jump down their throats that's pretty ass hole-ish  to me I can admit to being an ass sometimes but I'm not gonna hide and shout troll when somebody points that out. no matter what I said you wouldv'e incited a arguement  with you

I never jump all over anyone for having an idea.  It's the whole trying to replace other people's ideas with their own thing that's annoying.  trying to bully someone into replacing their opinion with your own is hardcore trolling.  And as such should be discouraged.  It doesn't matter if I politely tell you "Yer wrong and I'm right", it's still offensive trolling behavior and shouldn't be tolerated. 

nobody is trying to change your opinion zenn after all its your opinion if your allowed to state yours we should be allowed to state ours

[ZennExile]

OptimusAlex wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

But he is entertaining... and sometimes his rant's do make sense, sometimes.

They always make perfect sense unless yer a troll looking for any excuse to defend a bridge.  But at that point it doesn't really matter anymore. 

Hey ya know if you don't like the bridge, don't walk over it. you can always swim.

oh and this whole "im gonna be like Yahtzee thing" is irritating

Maybe you should swim then? 

[Amethyst Deceiver]

theres tons of really awesome hidden content in ME2. some of which is more than just novelty (actually realy cool stuff you would miss otherwise)



unfortunately all of it requires the PC version and a file editor

[ZennExile]

AccursedOdin wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I guess most of the "N7 missions" are the game's "secret" areas since you usually have to go looking for them.

You know I thought that at first but the % score on each solar system just pointed the way to them.  Combine that with an immediate "Anomoly Detected" the moment you vist any world kinda negates the hidden aspect.

I've never played an RPG before that didn't have a secret passage or hidden room.  Ever.

Did you play the first ME? I don't recall there being any secret passages or hidden rooms in that one.

But there were hidden planets and ateroids and the levels weren't linear so simply putting a room past the objective of the level could be considered "hidden".   The idea behind hidden content in a game is that even with effort things can be overlooked.  In ME2 everything is mapped out for you and there is nothing hidden, no exploration, and every level is completely linear.  The closest thing to hidden content in ME2 missions is the option to stay in the final room and hack a wall safe.

[OptimusAlex]

ZennExile wrote...

OptimusAlex wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

But he is entertaining... and sometimes his rant's do make sense, sometimes.

They always make perfect sense unless yer a troll looking for any excuse to defend a bridge.  But at that point it doesn't really matter anymore. 

Hey ya know if you don't like the bridge, don't walk over it. you can always swim.

oh and this whole "im gonna be like Yahtzee thing" is irritating

Maybe you should swim then? 

Can i ask a serious question?

If you have so much negative stuff to say about the game, and you know people are going to attack you for it (i mean this is an internet forum for god's sake), why do it? just asking

[ZennExile]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

hey I'm just saying when someone disagrees even if they do it politely you jump down their throats that's pretty ass hole-ish  to me I can admit to being an ass sometimes but I'm not gonna hide and shout troll when somebody points that out. no matter what I said you wouldv'e incited a arguement  with you

I never jump all over anyone for having an idea.  It's the whole trying to replace other people's ideas with their own thing that's annoying.  trying to bully someone into replacing their opinion with your own is hardcore trolling.  And as such should be discouraged.  It doesn't matter if I politely tell you "Yer wrong and I'm right", it's still offensive trolling behavior and shouldn't be tolerated. 

nobody is trying to change your opinion zenn after all its your opinion if your allowed to state yours we should be allowed to state ours

Look back sleep.  You'll notice what I'm talking about right away just by looking at the context rather than jumping to conclusions.  It's "Hidden" in all the silly attempts to troll me that resulted lulz and tantrums.

[AccursedOdin]

ZennExile wrote...

AccursedOdin wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

sergio71785 wrote...

I guess most of the "N7 missions" are the game's "secret" areas since you usually have to go looking for them.

You know I thought that at first but the % score on each solar system just pointed the way to them.  Combine that with an immediate "Anomoly Detected" the moment you vist any world kinda negates the hidden aspect.

I've never played an RPG before that didn't have a secret passage or hidden room.  Ever.

Did you play the first ME? I don't recall there being any secret passages or hidden rooms in that one.

But there were hidden planets and ateroids and the levels weren't linear so simply putting a room past the objective of the level could be considered "hidden".   The idea behind hidden content in a game is that even with effort things can be overlooked.  In ME2 everything is mapped out for you and there is nothing hidden, no exploration, and every level is completely linear.  The closest thing to hidden content in ME2 missions is the option to stay in the final room and hack a wall safe.

The asteriods and such shined briefly, giving away their locations...but that's neither here nor there. I do agree with you that more secrets would be nice, and I'd be all for it in ME3, but since the first installment didn't have much, I guess I wasn't really expecting it for part two.

[ZennExile]

OptimusAlex wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

OptimusAlex wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

But he is entertaining... and sometimes his rant's do make sense, sometimes.

They always make perfect sense unless yer a troll looking for any excuse to defend a bridge.  But at that point it doesn't really matter anymore. 

Hey ya know if you don't like the bridge, don't walk over it. you can always swim.

oh and this whole "im gonna be like Yahtzee thing" is irritating

Maybe you should swim then? 

Can i ask a serious question?

If you have so much negative stuff to say about the game, and you know people are going to attack you for it (i mean this is an internet forum for god's sake), why do it? just asking

There is always someone looking to attack other people just for the sake of attacking them.  And it's much more fun to turn their stupidity into Lulz for everyone.

[Sleepicub09]

ZennExile wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...
you make no sense I am not troll and i never even called you troll so where is the word troll coming from

At this point, shouting "Troll!" is practically a spinal reflex for Zenn, I think.

What would you call it if someone posts in a thread with absolutely no interest in the topic specifically to call someone an a-hole or insight an arguement?

Maybe I see something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck and assume that it's probably a duck?

hey I'm just saying when someone disagrees even if they do it politely you jump down their throats that's pretty ass hole-ish  to me I can admit to being an ass sometimes but I'm not gonna hide and shout troll when somebody points that out. no matter what I said you wouldv'e incited a arguement  with you

I never jump all over anyone for having an idea.  It's the whole trying to replace other people's ideas with their own thing that's annoying.  trying to bully someone into replacing their opinion with your own is hardcore trolling.  And as such should be discouraged.  It doesn't matter if I politely tell you "Yer wrong and I'm right", it's still offensive trolling behavior and shouldn't be tolerated. 

nobody is trying to change your opinion zenn after all its your opinion if your allowed to state yours we should be allowed to state ours

Look back sleep.  You'll notice what I'm talking about right away just by looking at the context rather than jumping to conclusions.  It's "Hidden" in all the silly attempts to troll me that resulted lulz and tantrums.

everybody gets trolled but not everyone who disagree with you are trolls

[The Lord of Space]

ZennExile wrote...

I know it seems like everyone should think like you and understand what you mean when you just pick stuff out of context and quote it in responce to something, but that's not the case.

Certainly not, but I don't care either way.

To be fair and more concise, it's not that they think the average gamer is stupid, they think (and are basically right) the average gamer just doesn't care. They knew this game would be spooged over regardless of whether or not the levels were extended with extra paths or hidden gems so why spend the resources doing it.

Hopefully they'll see that many people do like these things and that maybe it will increase their profits from ME3 if they make the effort to expand on the exploration front.

[ZennExile]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

everybody gets trolled but not everyone who disagree with you are trolls

Nor have I suggested they were.  But it only takes pointing out one troll to make the others appear to defend them.  So it's easy to get confused about intentions.  Like when I lured Bobby out the first time and 3 other trolls jumped to the rescue.  It's flocking behavior.  It helps identify who the trolls are.  It's much easier to have a conversation when you know who is just there being a douche for douchebaggery's sake.

[ZennExile]

The Lord of Space wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

I know it seems like everyone should think like you and understand what you mean when you just pick stuff out of context and quote it in responce to something, but that's not the case.

Certainly not, but I don't care either way.

To be fair and more concise, it's not that they think the average gamer is stupid, they think (and are basically right) the average gamer just doesn't care. They knew this game would be spooged over regardless of whether or not the levels were extended with extra paths or hidden gems so why spend the resources doing it.

Hopefully they'll see that many people do like these things and that maybe it will increase their profits from ME3 if they make the effort to expand on the exploration front.

See that was pretty far from what I guessed your first post meant

I do think the average gamer does care a bit more than you might think about exploration elements in their games though.  I just believe that they don't recognize it and turn their focus to other concepts they can readily identify with.  All those saying about "knowing yourself" aren't just old delusional men ranting.  It's a difficult for people to look in and try to understand.  Much easier to just assign blame to whichever scapegoat happens to be in front of them.

[Evroalt]

Haven't seen other posts by ZE so this whole negativity discussion seems an impassioned fanyboy/girl nonsensical debate while ignoring the point raised.

Both love (3 times through) and hate this dammmmed game for largely the same reasons. I'm an Old and have played computer games since forever and have seen their (d)evolution.

Seems to me his comment points out a legitimate plaint 'bout ME2 and ME1 and really all recent Bioware (et al) games resulting from the total kowtowing to consoles. DAO and ME both exhibit the kind of controls and story structure that are dominated by such and ignore the (probably no longer) larger and older PC base.

Indeed: Why no hidden areas/items and real discovery and exploration in the game? Even for a TPS or FPS it's pretty linear and the "hidden" areas all have a "THIS WAY!" sign or setup as big as all outdoors.

By the way, I don't find the ME2 mineral collection any more tolerable than that of ME1 but at least it has a (lame) point. I actually miss the rolling around in the Mako because it felt like I actually visited another world and actually explored something. There could be found things that WERE NOT on the initial map when you landed, too. Totally gone.

There is depth to ME2 but it still sometimes feels shallow...