283 réponses à ce sujet

[superimposed]

Not even close. Final Fantasy's Materia System is one of the best, which is merely a more developed form of the system used in Final Fantasy 2. For everything else look to Final Fantasy Six as a superior game in terms of story, exploration and 'secrets'.

[Clover Rider]

superimposed wrote...

Not even close. Final Fantasy's Materia System is one of the best, which is merely a more developed form of the system used in Final Fantasy 2. For everything else look to Final Fantasy Six as a superior game in terms of story, exploration and 'secrets'.

Yup 

[ZennExile]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yahtzee barely touches upon anything in his review. He even says the story is good which is something you disagree with. And you can't really take his reviews seriously.

What did he get wrong?  Are you a closet planet scanner?  It's ok I won't make fun of you if you are.  (obvious lie is obvious) 

All he talks about is planet scanning. Thats not a review its a joke.

Really?

Here's the play by play for you since you never watched it:

1) The lack of skin in ME2 Love scenes was more shocking than the extra amount in the first game.
2) Shepard dies and comes back to life ... wtf?
3) The council either doesn't make any damn sense or is replaced by the alliance... which also makes no sense.
4) The vehicle sections are gone without reason and so is any amount of exploration the game could have contained
5) They should have just made the vehicle sections better
6) The exploring gave the first game a sense of "tangeble bigness" where ME2 feels like a bunch of shooting galleries
 7) Planet scanning replaced exploration and it's ****ing terrible
8) The inventory system is gone but the new weapon system relies on the planet scanning ... trade crap for crap...
9) Coverbased shooting elements attempt to hold up gameplay by itself and fails.
10) It's much too easy and predictable
11) The writing is solid but the delivery sucks ass
12) Instead of roleplaying and choosing your path the player is focused on what choice gives them more douchebag or **** points because the Paragon Renegade system forces you to have max points later in the game
13) The writing doesn't make up for the ****** poor gameplay
14) If I wanted to be a space quantity surveyer I'd play Eve Online

Now tell me again what he got wrong?

[WindOverTuchanka]

Now, you are discussing important stuff here, I get it.
But on the point of original post - there are at least 3 hidden asteroids in Micah system. The warm fuzzy feeling when finding them  lasts for about 0.3 of a second. So formally, hidden content exists, but neither makes nor breaks the game.
Personally, I wonder why they bothered with these asteroids at all. Perhaps they foresaw Zenn's post.

[ZennExile]

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Hey now, Final Fantasy 7 was the "anti-linear" and there was more exploration and hidden crap in that game then every Bioware game released in the last 5 years combined. 

Mentioning FF7 in the same sentence with BioWare destroys any credibility you might have had.

F*ucking agreed.

Because FF7 is arguabley the best RPG of all time and it's not fair to hold Bioware to that standard or am I missing some inside joke?  You do know which one FF7 is right?  The one with all the mini games, the hidden superboss weapons, and the materia you had to level up AND had a solid crafting system, AND had a crazy epic story, AND has been played by more people than any RPG ever...?

Do you even know what RPG means?

FF7 is a turn based-tactics game with a mild exploration aspect.

I do but you seem confused.  Thoroughly confused...

So do the rest of you RPG haters.

[ZennExile]

WindOverTuchanka wrote...

Now, you are discussing important stuff here, I get it.
But on the point of original post - there are at least 3 hidden asteroids in Micah system. The warm fuzzy feeling when finding them  lasts for about 0.3 of a second. So formally, hidden content exists, but neither makes nor breaks the game.
Personally, I wonder why they bothered with these asteroids at all. Perhaps they foresaw Zenn's post.

Again I'll mention this just for clarity, those asteroids count against the % score for the solar system so there is absolutley nothing hidden about them.  You are told specifically that they are there by the game. 

[Knoll Argonar]

ZennExile wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Hey now, Final Fantasy 7 was the "anti-linear" and there was more exploration and hidden crap in that game then every Bioware game released in the last 5 years combined. 

Mentioning FF7 in the same sentence with BioWare destroys any credibility you might have had.

F*ucking agreed.

Because FF7 is arguabley the best RPG of all time and it's not fair to hold Bioware to that standard or am I missing some inside joke?  You do know which one FF7 is right?  The one with all the mini games, the hidden superboss weapons, and the materia you had to level up AND had a solid crafting system, AND had a crazy epic story, AND has been played by more people than any RPG ever...?

Okey, now I understand why you are whining about everything ME is.

Because you're just ignorant.

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

[Skilled Seeker]

To each their own. I wouldn't want ME2 to be any other way. How does that make you feel Zenn? Do you fume inside while your temples throb with hatred and sweat drips down your forehead? The game is made to attract the widest possible target audience. It appears you are not part of it.

[ZennExile]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Hey now, Final Fantasy 7 was the "anti-linear" and there was more exploration and hidden crap in that game then every Bioware game released in the last 5 years combined. 

Mentioning FF7 in the same sentence with BioWare destroys any credibility you might have had.

F*ucking agreed.

Because FF7 is arguabley the best RPG of all time and it's not fair to hold Bioware to that standard or am I missing some inside joke?  You do know which one FF7 is right?  The one with all the mini games, the hidden superboss weapons, and the materia you had to level up AND had a solid crafting system, AND had a crazy epic story, AND has been played by more people than any RPG ever...?

Okey, now I understand why you are whining about everything ME is.

Because you're just ignorant.

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

First off the comparison was the modern era being diverse verses the PSX era being linear which we all know is absolutley not true of RPG.  Second FF7 was the first RPG embraced by more than a cult following.  You can argue FF6 was better or chrono trigger was better BUT neither of them was played by more people.  Crono Cross was awesome but if you played Chrono Trigger you get nestalgic and lose a bit of the awe.  FF4... not so much.  It was a last minute translation of another game and didn't really hit any of the marks.  It had a cult following at best.  Secret of Mana (both games) were never really embraced either because the SNES wasn't a big RPG console.  Shining Force on the Genisis was better.

But you should play Chrono Cross it should refresh your RPG memory.  I just played through Vay night before last and am currently running through play 20 or so of Star Control 2.  Another one you should pick up since it's absolutley free and one of the best RPGs ever made as well.

[ChampDude]

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yahtzee barely touches upon anything in his review. He even says the story is good which is something you disagree with. And you can't really take his reviews seriously.

What did he get wrong?  Are you a closet planet scanner?  It's ok I won't make fun of you if you are.  (obvious lie is obvious) 

All he talks about is planet scanning. Thats not a review its a joke.

Really?

Here's the play by play for you since you never watched it:

1) The lack of skin in ME2 Love scenes was more shocking than the extra amount in the first game.
2) Shepard dies and comes back to life ... wtf?
3) The council either doesn't make any damn sense or is replaced by the alliance... which also makes no sense.
4) The vehicle sections are gone without reason and so is any amount of exploration the game could have contained
5) They should have just made the vehicle sections better
6) The exploring gave the first game a sense of "tangeble bigness" where ME2 feels like a bunch of shooting galleries
 7) Planet scanning replaced exploration and it's ****ing terrible
8) The inventory system is gone but the new weapon system relies on the planet scanning ... trade crap for crap...
9) Coverbased shooting elements attempt to hold up gameplay by itself and fails.
10) It's much too easy and predictable
11) The writing is solid but the delivery sucks ass
12) Instead of roleplaying and choosing your path the player is focused on what choice gives them more douchebag or **** points because the Paragon Renegade system forces you to have max points later in the game
13) The writing doesn't make up for the ****** poor gameplay
14) If I wanted to be a space quantity surveyer I'd play Eve Online

Now tell me again what he got wrong?

You again? Well aren't you just a festering pile of negativity. Lol kind of ironic that the only place I ever see Mass Effect 2 hate is on the Bioware forums

[ZennExile]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

To each their own. I wouldn't want ME2 to be any other way. How does that make you feel Zenn? Do you fume inside while your temples throb with hatred and sweat drips down your forehead? The game is made to attract the widest possible target audience. It appears you are not part of it.

When you try to appeal to everyone no one is happy.  Your parents should have taught you this when you were 5...

[ZennExile]

ChampDude wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yahtzee barely touches upon anything in his review. He even says the story is good which is something you disagree with. And you can't really take his reviews seriously.

What did he get wrong?  Are you a closet planet scanner?  It's ok I won't make fun of you if you are.  (obvious lie is obvious) 

All he talks about is planet scanning. Thats not a review its a joke.

Really?

Here's the play by play for you since you never watched it:

1) The lack of skin in ME2 Love scenes was more shocking than the extra amount in the first game.
2) Shepard dies and comes back to life ... wtf?
3) The council either doesn't make any damn sense or is replaced by the alliance... which also makes no sense.
4) The vehicle sections are gone without reason and so is any amount of exploration the game could have contained
5) They should have just made the vehicle sections better
6) The exploring gave the first game a sense of "tangeble bigness" where ME2 feels like a bunch of shooting galleries
 7) Planet scanning replaced exploration and it's ****ing terrible
8) The inventory system is gone but the new weapon system relies on the planet scanning ... trade crap for crap...
9) Coverbased shooting elements attempt to hold up gameplay by itself and fails.
10) It's much too easy and predictable
11) The writing is solid but the delivery sucks ass
12) Instead of roleplaying and choosing your path the player is focused on what choice gives them more douchebag or **** points because the Paragon Renegade system forces you to have max points later in the game
13) The writing doesn't make up for the ****** poor gameplay
14) If I wanted to be a space quantity surveyer I'd play Eve Online

Now tell me again what he got wrong?

You again? Well aren't you just a festering pile of negativity. Lol kind of ironic that the only place I ever see Mass Effect 2 hate is on the Bioware forums

Not a big fan of context are ya?

[Skilled Seeker]

But a lot of people are happy including me. You are not too bad.

[ChampDude]

ZennExile wrote...

ChampDude wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Yahtzee barely touches upon anything in his review. He even says the story is good which is something you disagree with. And you can't really take his reviews seriously.

What did he get wrong?  Are you a closet planet scanner?  It's ok I won't make fun of you if you are.  (obvious lie is obvious) 

All he talks about is planet scanning. Thats not a review its a joke.

Really?

Here's the play by play for you since you never watched it:

1) The lack of skin in ME2 Love scenes was more shocking than the extra amount in the first game.
2) Shepard dies and comes back to life ... wtf?
3) The council either doesn't make any damn sense or is replaced by the alliance... which also makes no sense.
4) The vehicle sections are gone without reason and so is any amount of exploration the game could have contained
5) They should have just made the vehicle sections better
6) The exploring gave the first game a sense of "tangeble bigness" where ME2 feels like a bunch of shooting galleries
 7) Planet scanning replaced exploration and it's ****ing terrible
8) The inventory system is gone but the new weapon system relies on the planet scanning ... trade crap for crap...
9) Coverbased shooting elements attempt to hold up gameplay by itself and fails.
10) It's much too easy and predictable
11) The writing is solid but the delivery sucks ass
12) Instead of roleplaying and choosing your path the player is focused on what choice gives them more douchebag or **** points because the Paragon Renegade system forces you to have max points later in the game
13) The writing doesn't make up for the ****** poor gameplay
14) If I wanted to be a space quantity surveyer I'd play Eve Online

Now tell me again what he got wrong?

You again? Well aren't you just a festering pile of negativity. Lol kind of ironic that the only place I ever see Mass Effect 2 hate is on the Bioware forums

Not a big fan of context are ya?

Not a big fan of Mass Effect 2 are ya?

[BlightWalker]

ZennExile wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Hey now, Final Fantasy 7 was the "anti-linear" and there was more exploration and hidden crap in that game then every Bioware game released in the last 5 years combined. 

Mentioning FF7 in the same sentence with BioWare destroys any credibility you might have had.

F*ucking agreed.

Because FF7 is arguabley the best RPG of all time and it's not fair to hold Bioware to that standard or am I missing some inside joke?  You do know which one FF7 is right?  The one with all the mini games, the hidden superboss weapons, and the materia you had to level up AND had a solid crafting system, AND had a crazy epic story, AND has been played by more people than any RPG ever...?

Do you even know what RPG means?

FF7 is a turn based-tactics game with a mild exploration aspect.

I do but you seem confused.  Thoroughly confused...

So do the rest of you RPG haters.

So what are the RPG aspects of FF7? The possibility to level up skills? Great, so DMC 3/4 are RPGs too now?

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 01 mars 2010 - 01:33 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I hate to be a liar and say I wasn't going to bump this thread, so I wont hate it, I'll Love it.



More people have played WOW and the Sims than FF7. Obviously WOW is the greatest RPG ever. So great that I'm one of the few who hasn't played it. Plus its aged like a month old burrito. Each FF game from then on has been divisive, because of what FF7 did. I personally find it a bit eccentric, do not know where the love for this game has come from. The Final Fantasy games usually have broken game mechanics all over the place and FF7 was arguably the most busted. I'll take the Shin Megami Tensei games anyday in the gameplay regard. The Dragon Quest games also have a solid ruleset. I love FF7 as a nonsensical romp, but I would never paint it in the corner of a great RPG, its not even a good game in my opinion. I'd rather play FF8, even though its story was stupid. FF7 story wasn't stupid it was just crazy eccentric, which I personally find Awesome. Unfortunate that so many tend to take that game so seriously, guess thats why we have Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. But I digress.



There are numerous RPGS that I would call better than FF7, and many more games that I would call better.

[Lord Nicholai]

ZennExile wrote...

Really?

Here's the play by play for you since you never watched it:

1) The lack of skin in ME2 Love scenes was more shocking than the extra amount in the first game.
2) Shepard dies and comes back to life ... wtf?
3) The council either doesn't make any damn sense or is replaced by the alliance... which also makes no sense.
4) The vehicle sections are gone without reason and so is any amount of exploration the game could have contained
5) They should have just made the vehicle sections better
6) The exploring gave the first game a sense of "tangeble bigness" where ME2 feels like a bunch of shooting galleries
 7) Planet scanning replaced exploration and it's ****ing terrible
8) The inventory system is gone but the new weapon system relies on the planet scanning ... trade crap for crap...
9) Coverbased shooting elements attempt to hold up gameplay by itself and fails.
10) It's much too easy and predictable
11) The writing is solid but the delivery sucks ass
12) Instead of roleplaying and choosing your path the player is focused on what choice gives them more douchebag or **** points because the Paragon Renegade system forces you to have max points later in the game
13) The writing doesn't make up for the ****** poor gameplay
14) If I wanted to be a space quantity surveyer I'd play Eve Online

Now tell me again what he got wrong?

Are you serious? Why are you even here if you genuinely agree with any of that? If you feel that way just sell Mass Effect 2 and wait for Final Fantasy 13.

[ZennExile]

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

BlightWalker wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Hey now, Final Fantasy 7 was the "anti-linear" and there was more exploration and hidden crap in that game then every Bioware game released in the last 5 years combined. 

Mentioning FF7 in the same sentence with BioWare destroys any credibility you might have had.

F*ucking agreed.

Because FF7 is arguabley the best RPG of all time and it's not fair to hold Bioware to that standard or am I missing some inside joke?  You do know which one FF7 is right?  The one with all the mini games, the hidden superboss weapons, and the materia you had to level up AND had a solid crafting system, AND had a crazy epic story, AND has been played by more people than any RPG ever...?

Do you even know what RPG means?

FF7 is a turn based-tactics game with a mild exploration aspect.

I do but you seem confused.  Thoroughly confused...

So do the rest of you RPG haters.

So what are the RPG aspects of FF7? The possibility to level up skills? Great, so DMC 3/4 are RPGs too now?

Did you even play it?  I think you may have mistaken FF7 for another game.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

I agree with everything in this post.   Except maybe with the FF6 thing (too many random battles for my taste), but that is irrelevant.  Also I'm assuming Illusion of Time = Illusion of Gaia?

[ZennExile]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

Suikoden did it way better. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

ZennExile wrote...

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

Suikoden did it way better. 

I agree.  I personally want every RPG to turn into Suikoden.

Beat the hell out of Chrono Cross anyway.  Chrono Cross did have an interesting combat system, but Suikoden is just so damn quick and satisfying.  Plus 100+ characters to recruit, not just combat characters to.  Excellent

[Amethyst Deceiver]

ZennExile wrote...

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

Suikoden did it way better. 

i forgot to put "actually worth caring about" in there regarding the characters.

and btw, "SNES was not an RPG platform" is LOL. i bow before your outlandish trolling skills.

*takes notes*

Modifié par Amethyst Deceiver, 01 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[ZennExile]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

FFVI is the best FF ever, along with, maybe, FFIV. But even those aren't the best JRPG out there. Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time, Terranigma... Speacially Chrono Trigger. Far better than FFVII. And I have yet to play Chrono Cross, which is told to be even better (though I doupt it).

And you're not even comparing the same type of games! JRPG have almost nothing to do with WRPG.

Awwww how sweet, I never though I would find some PSX birth gamer in these forums.

bows before the greatness that is FFVI. now THATS how you incorporate a quest involving accumulation of a assload of characters into a compelling story

Suikoden did it way better. 

I agree.  I personally want every RPG to turn into Suikoden.

Beat the hell out of Chrono Cross anyway.  Chrono Cross did have an interesting combat system, but Suikoden is just so damn quick and satisfying.  Plus 100+ characters to recruit, not just combat characters to.  Excellent

Suikoden 4 with 102 characters and your own personal castle to upgrade was an RPG wet dream to be perfectly honest...

[SurfaceBeneath]

JRPGs on your WRPG board?



It's more likely than you think.