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[Cazlee]

I want to create the worst ending possible for Ferelden, but am not sure how I should complete Dagna and Brother Burkel quests. In the worst ending possible, the chantry will consider an exalted march against Orzammar either because Dagna's studies prompt mages to build a circle within Orzammar outside of the Chantry's reach, or because Brother Burkel is slain in a peaceful demonstration. I prefer the Orzammar mage circle epilogue card to the Brother Burkel epilogue card, but is this ending still possible if I side with the Templars? Dagna journeys to the tower anyhow, but it sounds like she's going as a smith instead of a scholar.

The plan is to:
- Keep all companions alive, but at hostile approval
- Side with Werewolves, accept the city elves blood ritual sacrifice, ignore alienage in final siege if possible
- Defile Ashes, kill Brother Genetivi and let the dragon live (Leliana hardened)
- Anul the circle, but keep Wynne
- Ignore Redcliffe, Intimidate Jowan into leaving (for maximum disapproval) and kill Connor
-  Betray Bhelen, side with Harrowmont and keep the anvil intact
- Anora sole queen, killing the hero of ferelden in disgrace, ordering alistair do the ritual

Any suggestions?

Edit: oops I meant to open this thread in the campaign spoilers forum

Modifié par Cazlee, 01 mars 2010 - 10:42 .

[x-president]

Dagna ends up in to the Tower no matter if you side with Tempalrs or Mages.  If you side with Templars she doesn't give you anything for helping.


Edit:  Imo killing some of the companions would make the ending worse.  Take Wynne for example, she usually helps out the new king/queen or takes over the tower.  It would be better to eliminate that and force them to use someone else.

As a character you could be much more evil and I would think effect the story harder. 

Modifié par x-president, 01 mars 2010 - 04:38 .

[Mirthadrond]

You could always ignore her request??

Yes yes.. nothing quite like making Duncan a poor judge of character.

Why let Wynn and Lel, Zev and Sten live, if you're going to be evil?

Modifié par Mirthadrond, 01 mars 2010 - 04:40 .

[Charsen]

Just curious since i never played it both ways, but is making Harrowmont the king worse for dwarves than having Bhelen as the king? Bhelen seemed like a bad dude on my play through. Maybe i missed something.

Modifié par Charsen, 01 mars 2010 - 08:17 .

[Vuokseniska]

can't let wynn alive when destroying the ashes. harrowmont is teh worse king with the anvil intact as harrowmont will steal humans and elves from ferelden to make them in golems. Ferelden will go to war over that

Modifié par Vuokseniska, 01 mars 2010 - 08:40 .

[SirOccam]

I've only supported Harrowmont, but yeah, it seems his policies don't go over so well and it leads to Orzammar becoming pretty isolated. Bhelen, surprisingly, makes lots of good changes and trade with the surface is increased, etc.

[Lekwid]

SirOccam wrote...

I've only supported Harrowmont, but yeah, it seems his policies don't go over so well and it leads to Orzammar becoming pretty isolated. Bhelen, surprisingly, makes lots of good changes and trade with the surface is increased, etc.

I dislike Bhelen so much, so far I have never sided with him, he's just too horrible.  Though Harrowmont isn't a very good choice compared to Bhelen.  The latter is a tyrant and power hungry but his changes are quite positive whereas the former just does more of the same and keeps to tradition.  Though the only advantage would be if you were a Dwarf Noble, then he names you his successor when he dies.  I think Bhelen is the eviler choice since Harrowmont seems like much more of a nicer ruler than Bhelen.  It's obvious for anyone not familiar with dwarven politics to see how bad Bhelen is which is why I'd pick Harrowmont in all origins except Dwarf Commoner.

[TBastian]

Neither dwarf endings are really good, Bhelen's ending just starts off nicer. It is very likely that the result will be a dwarven revolution though and since Bhelen doesn't really care about Orzammar as long as he keeps his power... With the end of the Blight the darkspawn should resume knocking at their gate, so the dwarves are basically in a predicament as dire as when Harrowmont dies.

[TBastian]

Double post.

Modifié par TBastian, 03 mars 2010 - 01:14 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I always thought Harrowmont was the "good" politician. Maybe Harrowmont isn't as good as I thought because he doesn't change anything, and was unpopular. I'm thinking about siding with Bhelen on this playthrough.

[Wolfaura]

If Harrowmont becomes king, he further isolates Orzammar from the surface world.

He seems nice enough but doesn't seem to do much for Orzammar.



Siding with Bhelen and destroying the Anvil will cause Orzammar to come into a new age of prosperity at the expense of a dictatorship. Bhelen strengthens Orzammar's ties with the surface world. He also grants casteless greater rights and privileges in exchange for fighting the darkspawn. This policy allows Orzammar to reclaim lost territory, but it upsets the noble and warrior castes. After several failed assassination attempts, he dissolves the Assembly and rules alone.



I prefer Bhelens ending than Harrowmonts. I always hated how casteless were treated and like the way he tries to help them out. After all I think he did marry a casteless.

[TBastian]

You do know that he's only doing that to gain power? As far as he's concerned the casteless are only worth fighting for because it's the one way of getting him a devoted following. He doesn't care about any of them, as he didn't care for any of his brothers/sisters or even his dying father.

He's doing the "right" things for all the wrong reasons, which is the "twist" to his ending (same as Harrowmont means well, but everything crumbles around him). Unfortunately things have a way of catching up to you, and so it began one day when Bhelen suddenly dissolves the Dwarven Assembly...

[Time4Tiddy]

Considering that Bhelen is going to marry the sister of the Dwarf Commoner, it's very likely that a Dwarf Commoner origin would be inclined to support Bhelen regardless of his shady ways. I disagree that Bhelen only cares about the casteless as a means to power - why would he marry Rica instead of just keeping her around as a concubine?

Also, it's definitely the worst possible dwarf ending to crown Harrowmont and preserve the Anvil.  This is the one dwarf ending that results in war between the dwarves and the other races of Ferelden.  The best possible ending is to be Dwarf Noble yourself and return to Orzammar as a Paragon, making you the next king/queen after Harrowmont's untimely end.  It's possible you'd also be consort to the human ruler, with the added bonus of bringing the two civilizations into alignment.

Modifié par Time4Tiddy, 18 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .