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[ComplexP]

Ok, here's the thing.
I dont want to resort to some silly exploit to make money so I try to be frugal and savvy with my coin wherever possible to maximise my money. This seems even more important in DAO than a lot of games since many of the best items are purchase only.
I've completed Warden's Keep so I have the party chest and am continuously dropping loot into it to ensure I can pick up everything I find. I also sell everything which isn't unique. I don't have an archer and so make a fair amount of gold from selling enchanted arrows.
But despite all of this I can never make enough gold to buy what I want. There are about 3 or 4 items in the game I would like and they are all around 100 gold each. Then the grandmaster runes that you really need to boost the best items can run into well over 100 gold as well.
As far as I can tell, there simply isn't that much gold around unless you want to exploit. I've played through 3 times so far and have never managed to scrape together enough gold for the Roses Thorn dagger for example.
Has anyone found a good, non exploit, way of purchasing all of the best items on one run through?
I guess it keeps things interesting when you are forced to choose carefully where to spend your money but I'd still like to be able to create a completely pimped group of fighters

[jsachun]

Lyrium Trade quest or if you feel this is an exploit don't do it, but here is a link to making money as a "Potent Lyrium Potion Dealer".
http://dragonage.wik..._Lyrium_Potions

[mosspit]

ComplexP wrote...

As far as I can tell, there simply isn't that much gold around unless you want to exploit. I've played through 3 times so far and have never managed to scrape together enough gold for the Roses Thorn dagger for example.
Has anyone found a good, non exploit, way of purchasing all of the best items on one run through?
I guess it keeps things interesting when you are forced to choose carefully where to spend your money but I'd still like to be able to create a completely pimped group of fighters

Do you plan to totally deck your entire party with high end merchant items? A mount everest if you ask me. Seriously though. There are many quests that gives good amount. As jaschun mentioned, precious metals is the single most lucrative quest in the game under maxed out coercion. Have high levels of coercion and always ask for rewards whenever possible. They generally have little to no bad reprecussions.

[ComplexP]

Yeah, tbh I find that my party performs extremely well using the non merchant, unique items. It's really just daggers where the merchants seem to have a monopoly. I've got a duel wield rogue using Beastman's dagger and Olaf's Cheese Knife but these are starting to feel mediocre. Are there any better daggers about that I don't have to buy?

[mosspit]

Dlc's are pretty sweet. Daggers like the Edge, Dead Thaig Shanker and Duncan's dagger (all are loot items). Thorn's of the Dead God is a very nice non-dlc dagger that is found.

Modifié par mosspit, 01 mars 2010 - 02:00 .

[Vuokseniska]

hmmm i donno how you play the game but I have enough money for everything. Andruil's blessing, The spellward and lifegiver are easly bought. Usually a weapon like The versailles or Staff of the magisterlords with nice armor are bought aswell if you can't even find a good armor. But i guess if you want all the best loot for everyone you will be out of money specially with all the grandmaster runes. you don't even have enough slots to slot them all.

[DJ0000]

I usually get about 1000 sovs easily, without exploits. I find that just doing all the side quests, asking for rewards frequently and selling non unique weapons and armour easily gives enough money to get all I need.



How far into the game are you? The amount of money you get raises consiiderably after the first 15 hours, just in the final quest I can get over 100 sovs.



Really, if you want all the best items for yourself you can get more than enough money but if you want all the top items period it simply isn't going to happen without exploits.

[mousestalker]

If you save Orzammar for last you can get cash from looting mobs. Tiers 6 and 7 armour sell for a lot of gold and a lot of the stuff is found in the Deep Roads. Brecilian, Redcliffe and the Circle do not seem to scale nearly as well. If you have DLC, Return to Ostagar is another cash generator if left for last.

[x-president]

No need to keep any items you don't use imo. 

Also the game seems to seperate large gold amounts you recieve.  So you can't expect to just get tons of gold in the beginning.  You get it in sections which is nice imo.


Precious Metals and Slim Couldry are kinda early times to get gold.  You can get good gold in deep roads, 25g for dealing with the demon.  That's kinda mid or late game.  Then the Anora quest you can get close to 100 gold right there.

Selling Revenant armour gets you like 10 to 20 gold.


There are some other areas with decent gold amounts you can get but they spread it out. 

[kerrbrick]

ComplexP wrote...
I dont want to resort to some silly exploit ...

I personally don't regard selling Potent mana potions to be an exploit ... crafting from cheaper ingredients and selling the items is a standard way to make money. 

I guess it depends on what your definition of an exploit is. 

Modifié par kerrbrick, 02 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[mosspit]

kerrbrick wrote...
I personally don't regard selling Potent mana potions to be an exploit ... crafting from cheaper ingredients and selling the items is a standard way to make money. 

I guess it depends on what your definition of an exploit is. 

From a RP point of view, it does make sense. You rp as a crafter who sells his/her work and profit.

Viewing this wrt gameplay, you basically do the crafting runs to finance high end merchant items. Imagine a lvl12 char decked out with Audril's, CGM, spellward, lifegiver and evon's. This makes the game significantly easier at early/mid game. For me, not getting the best items asap makes me choose my battles and it feels more rewarding.

[DargonBlak]

mosspit wrote...

Viewing this wrt gameplay, ...
Imagine a lvl12 char decked out with Audril's, CGM, spellward, lifegiver and evon's....
For me, not getting the best items asap makes me choose my battles and it feels more rewarding.

I don't have to "imagine"... the minute one of my mages it LvL 10, i re-spec, do some "crafting", and do some purchasing...

Does it make it easier ?  Yup.  Was "Nightmare" on DA:O equivalent to "Nightmare" in Shooters ? Nope.

I suppose i'm just too practical to not acquire the best gear that i can find...  but most of my early purchasing is to improve my Mage's AC/Defense... this "Threat" thing is new to me, and every time i turn around, some Ogre has decided to take a whack at my single Mage... unacceptable... but more realistic...

i hate it when reality wins - (LOL)

[mosspit]

@DargonBlak: Why not? In fact, you can just use console command runscript zz_money. You can save a substantial amount time from doing crafting.

Modifié par mosspit, 02 mars 2010 - 07:03 .

[TBastian]

It's not an exploit, but farming ridiculous sums of sovereigns from it is.



I've always managed to get enough sovereigns to give my four chosen party members the best gear I could, and I haven't sold Potent Lyrium potions in a while. Maybe you just need to manage your sovereigns better.

[kerrbrick]

mosspit wrote...

@DargonBlak: Why not? In fact, you can just use console command runscript zz_money. You can save a substantial amount time from doing crafting.

To some extent you do "earn" the gold by putting in the time to collect the mats and doing the crafting ... it took me an hour or so to get 600 gold and I left it at that.  For me it's not really unlimited gold, because I won't spend hours and hours doing it. 

the command script is just a straight up cheat, lol.  I draw the line there.

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Let's say I wish to buy something in this game. I find a merchant, pick a piece, find out it's too expensive early in the game, go do some sidequests for the amount of money, return to the same merchant, only to find that:

his inventory has upscaled (or downscaled) with my level and now twice as expensive.

If it wasn't for Warden Commander Armor and DLC my chars would be half-naked the first half of the game until they can finally afford all that dragonbone. I think it would help if selling of old gear was more profitable: half of value instead of only one-fifth.

Finding all that gold on the hordes at the end when I don't need it really doesn't help me anymore. Why they put random loot distribution in a single-player game is a mystery to me.

[DJ0000]

The problem with the Lyrium potion thing is that it corrupt save games. I personally just don't find that I need it anyway.



Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I had the same exact problem towards the end of the game. I found I couldn't buy any of the rings for my arcane warrior, and neither could I buy the Divine whatever armor from Ruck.

[Oak Tree Leaf]

DJ0000 wrote...

The problem with the Lyrium potion thing is that it corrupt save games. I personally just don't find that I need it anyway.

Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

It does corrupt saves?

I've never heard of this

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

DJ0000 wrote...

Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

True. It just seemes to me like the game expects us to save up all our money just for these "uber"-items and thus not buy anything else before. Thing is I like buying new gear half-way into the story, for roleplay purposes (or vanity, maybe...). Veridium boots to go with the rest of the armor so to speak.
Also because of the randomness of item-drops and loot, there is a very small chance of getting something you need, but instead getting somethig of equal monetary value.  Except selling that stuff means it's only worth 1/5th. I understand stores buying at lower prices, it's just 1/2 would maybe have been better.
Or an upgrade system for weapons and armor tiers.

[DJ0000]

Oak Tree Leaf wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

The problem with the Lyrium potion thing is that it corrupt save games. I personally just don't find that I need it anyway.

Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

It does corrupt saves?

I've never heard of this

Yep, if merchants have too many items in their inventory it destroys the save file as it can't handle it. So if you do it you should sell the pots to a merchant that clears inventory at some point and don't do too many at once.

There's also another problem that if there's too many of a single item in the game, the game can't keep track and the file gets corrupted. For example, some people use a glitch to get unlimited Shale Crystals and sell them but eventually the game just can't keep track of them all.

That's the explaination as far as I know it. The Exp glitch can mess the game up aswell apparently.

[DJ0000]

Vincent Rosevalliant wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

True. It just seemes to me like the game expects us to save up all our money just for these "uber"-items and thus not buy anything else before. Thing is I like buying new gear half-way into the story, for roleplay purposes (or vanity, maybe...). Veridium boots to go with the rest of the armor so to speak.
Also because of the randomness of item-drops and loot, there is a very small chance of getting something you need, but instead getting somethig of equal monetary value.  Except selling that stuff means it's only worth 1/5th. I understand stores buying at lower prices, it's just 1/2 would maybe have been better.
Or an upgrade system for weapons and armor tiers.

I think that the point of it is that they didn't want you having the best items at level 10. That would make the game incredibly easy.

The current make up seems to be set up so that you can easily get all the top level items for yourself and a couple of good items for your companions to make it so you are the most powerful charecter. You aren't supposed to have all the best items, just the ones for the MC.

Basically, there's no point in  buying anything that's not end game quality because it's just not worth it in the long run.

[Madame November]

I've never really had a problem with this. I always have loads of gold, even when I don't wear the merchants belt. I can't always buy some of the super-pricey stuff until close to the end, but it didn't feel like a big deal.

On the flip side, my husband has your problem. he complains about ti a lot. He doesn't seem to pay attention to the salable items in his inventory. One time, I watched him skip over a ton of fancy armor and weapons because his inventory (which wasn't maxed) was full. Later I noticed he had (ready for it) 16 blank vellums. He doesn't like me to point these things out to him though. Good Luck!

Modifié par November Cousland, 03 mars 2010 - 10:24 .

[Wicked 702]

DJ0000 wrote...

Oak Tree Leaf wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

The problem with the Lyrium potion thing is that it corrupt save games. I personally just don't find that I need it anyway.

Also, Vincent- The best items i.e. Evons mail, Chasind Great maul never level up or get more expensive. If the items you are looking at are leveling up it is likely that you could simply find it somewhere rather than have to buy it.

It does corrupt saves?

I've never heard of this

Yep, if merchants have too many items in their inventory it destroys the save file as it can't handle it. So if you do it you should sell the pots to a merchant that clears inventory at some point and don't do too many at once.

There's also another problem that if there's too many of a single item in the game, the game can't keep track and the file gets corrupted. For example, some people use a glitch to get unlimited Shale Crystals and sell them but eventually the game just can't keep track of them all.

That's the explaination as far as I know it. The Exp glitch can mess the game up aswell apparently.

This is mostly correct. The problem occurs when you sell too many items to a merchant. Lavafrog22 discovered that the max # of slots a merchant has, is about 548. The reason this happens is because the size of the save file is hard capped on the consoles. This means that a specific, limited amount of space was assigned to keep track of vendor inventories since NONE of them destroy items. All vendors keep anything you sell and it eventually makes its way into their regular stock. So once you pass that magic number the save file gets frazzled.

The problem does not necessarily have to do with selling one single type of item. It is simply a matter of overloading the total number of slots. The reason you see this problem with the crystals is because the game treats each individual crystal like a weapon or armor, it takes one inventory slot. You would be hard pressed to run into this problem with potions, since they stack in piles of 99. You'd have to sell enough stacks of 99 to pass the 548 mark on a vendor for it to corrupt. That's something like 52,000 potions. I doubt you'll ever make that many...

[Erucolindo]

I had the same problems with gold in previous playthroughs as the OP. Didn't understand how anyone got over a hundred (still don't understand how people are getting in the thousands). However, this time around I didn't buy anything until after lvl 12 or so. That includes bags. Gifts I got though, since they are cheap. By only sellings and barely and I mean BARELY buying, asking for rewards and having the higest possible ranks in Coercion, I had 50 gold by the time i hit Orz at around lvl 12. Coercion is the single most important skill in the game. Not only does it get you more money (like in the lyrium smuggling quest) but it also saves you money in a lot of cases as well. I was able to, for instant, intimidate Dywn into joining the fight instead of having to pay him. Right now i'm sitting on a pretty nice nest egg because i continue not to buy anything.



I will point out that I've never sold anything for more then 2 gold. That includes the armors I try and keep. is there some kind of bug. I mean seriously, I still don't see how simply buying and selling loot will get you up to the 1000 g area.