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[Gabey5]

dwarf noble: is a freakin commander
dwarf commoner: Street killer..everyday is a fight
Mage: Powerful magic
City Elf: had to fight everyday in your life
Dalsh Elf: stong fighter, well traveled, survivor

Human noble comes off as the weak link...you would think he would want fergus... there is no experience or reasoning given by Duncan...with no experince and background....human nobleis suddenly a amazing fighter..

Modifié par Gabey5, 01 mars 2010 - 05:28 .

[ejoslin]

The younger Cousland had a far reaching reputation of his or her fighting prowess. Also, it is far more likely that Duncan would be able to recruit the second child as opposed to the heir to the Highever Teyrnir.

[SurelyForth]

Gabey5 wrote...

dwarf noble: is a freakin commander
dwarf commoner: Street killer..everyday is a fight
Mage: Powerful magic
City Elf: had to fight everyday in your life
Dalsh Elf: stong fighter, well traveled, survivor

Human commoner comes off as the weak link...you would think he would want fergus... there is no experience or reasoning given by Duncan...with no experince and background....human nobleis suddenly a amazing fighter..

Considering that Bryce was going to leave PC Cousland in charge of the entire terynir and pretty much everyone you encounter can't stop gushing about what an awesome, capable fighter you are, I wouldn't say it comes out of nowhere at all. I imagine the HN and the DN have pretty similar upbringings, training wise.

[Baalzie]

And it's human NOBLE not commoner...

Just to be picky...

[Gabey5]

correction made:pinched:

[Apophis2412]

As Ser Gilmore stated, Coulsand could easily take on persons twice his age in a fight.



Also, since Teyrn Cousland was going to leave his youngest child in charge of the entire teynir suggests that Cousland also had some leadership skills.

[Sandtigress]

No, the HN was well-known to be an excellent fighter - both Fergus and Gilmore make mention of it. I don't see why it couldn't have traveled around nobility circles that the youngest Cousland was a promising fighter, and since the Warden compound is at the palace, Duncan was in a position to hear such things.



As more evidence to the fighting status of the youngest Cousland, your father leaves you in charge of the keep - not just in a domestic sense, but as head of the remaining troops to put down any violence that might occur while the Teyrn and his older son are gone. That shows confidence in your fighting ability as well as your ruling ability.



Duncan is impressed by the fact that you fight your way through to him despite Howe's army occupying the castle. He considered recruiting you from the beginning - this last part sealed the deal. He could have gone for Ser Gilmore still had he wanted.



Plus, save the potential last member of a noble house and you gain yourself a possible political ally after the Blight. Even if you give up your lands and title, you're still known to the nobles and your word would still have influence. And there's the possibility of monetary income, even a one time event, to the Wardens who depend on the tithe from the kingdoms.



There's plenty of reasons to recruit the youngest Cousland.

[Addai]

The noble has more martial training by far than a city elf (who has to learn in secret from their mother who had to learn and practice in secret etc.) and a just-out-of-apprenticeship mage. Nobility in such cultures were expected to be warriors.

[Rhumgola]

What I find weird is why Duncan was even at Highever. When speaking to Ser Jory at the camp in Ostagar, he mentions how he won the grand melee a month ago in Highever. If that includes your traveling time from Highever to Ostagar, why were'nt you recruited then aswell as Ser Gilmore. And who are we kidding, Ser Jory shouldn't have been able to win agaisn't Sir Gilmore or your pc

[Cuddlezarro]

well Duncan probably would not even have returned to highever if not for your father inviting him to the castle

[Sandtigress]

I would be tempted to separate Highever the city from Highever the castle. i.e. Jory won a tournament for those in the city, he still serves under Arl Eamon, after all, and not Teyrn Bryce. Then, realizing the necessity of good recruits to combat the Blight, Bryce invites Duncan back, this time to the castle, to potentially recruit Ser Gilmore, though Duncan has his eye on the youngest Cousland instead.

[ejoslin]

Didn't Ser Jory win the tourney in Redcliff? Bleh, I don't remember.

[Cuddlezarro]

no he won it in highever

[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...

Didn't Ser Jory win the tourney in Redcliff? Bleh, I don't remember.

That's what I thought too, but I don't remember clearly and I'd have to replay Ostagar and/or find the dialogue to know. Meh, I'm too lazy for that today.

[Sandtigress]

Jory was in Highever because that's where his wife is. He is in the service of Arl Eamon, but stays in Highever for the most part.

[Herr Uhl]

Gabey5 wrote...

City Elf: had to fight everyday in your life

No, city elf makes less sense than human noble. The noble is trained in fighting since s/he was a young Cousspawn. A noble is expected to be a warrior.

The city elf does *not* fight in their life, it was taught by it's mother (this is the weakest part of all origins IMO). If it would actually have fought things, it would surely have been put to the gallows well before the wedding.

I'm just going to ignore the previous posts that pointed this out.

[Mirthadrond]

Ser Jory might have been a decent fighter, in his own right, but he was a complete and total coward, not to mention stupid for drawing his blade against Duncan.



While I liked the 'shock factor' of his death, I was a little disappointed Duncan, or your character, didn't at least try to calm him down, reason with him.

After watching.... the other guy.. forget his name, die a horrible death... I can imagine he was in shock.

Duncan really does do a ****** poor job of preparing the warden recruits for what is about to happen, which is a shame because Ser Jory might have actually survived the taint.

He was in flight or fight mode, and it would have only taken a few moments to calm him down.



I actually lost a little bit of respect for Duncan.



BTW - has anyone else noticed that Duncan says he's sorry A LOT!

[wcholcombe]

Have you read the books? The warden's don't exactly coddle or anything. Heck, in "The Calling" Duncan was flat out given orders to kill a very important Character if necessary to protect the Warden's secrets about the taint.

[SurelyForth]

Rhumgola wrote...

What I find weird is why Duncan was even at Highever. When speaking to Ser Jory at the camp in Ostagar, he mentions how he won the grand melee a month ago in Highever. If that includes your traveling time from Highever to Ostagar, why were'nt you recruited then aswell as Ser Gilmore. And who are we kidding, Ser Jory shouldn't have been able to win agaisn't Sir Gilmore or your pc

I've convinced myself that Teryn Bryce sent PC Cousland and Ser Gilmore on a Very Special Errand the day of the  tourney because he knew his youngest child would do everything in his/her power to win it.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 01 mars 2010 - 07:57 .

[Maria Caliban]

Herr Uhl wrote...

...a young Cousspawn.

Great image there.

[melkathi]

Gabey5 wrote...

dwarf noble: is a freakin commander
dwarf commoner: Street killer..everyday is a fight
Mage: Powerful magic
City Elf: had to fight everyday in your life
Dalsh Elf: stong fighter, well traveled, survivor

Human noble comes off as the weak link...you would think he would want fergus... there is no experience or reasoning given by Duncan...with no experince and background....human nobleis suddenly a amazing fighter..

You got something wrong there though:

Dwarf Noble: Duncan is there on different warden buisness when your life get's messed up and he recruits you
Dwarf Commoner: Duncan is there on warden buisness, the dwarves hold a proving for him and your commoner happens to have happen what happens.
City Elf: Duncan is in Denerim on buisness and your life goes o hell
Dalish Elf: Duncan is in the neighbourhood...

Mage: Duncan wishes to recruit a mage, Irving suggests his star pupil.

Human Noble: Duncan has heard how awesome the young Cousland is and comes to meet him/her

So in a way the noble is the strongest choice.

[Alandros]

They all seem quite feasible and they seem fairly well explained in the Origins... People bring up City Elf and Human Noble as weaker. Maybe this is because these are purely based off of explanation (at least at first). The Human Noble is reinforced as an amazing fighter (by pretty much everyone from your older brother to your friend knight). This is made quite obvious. The City Elf is mentioned in similar regards as well as the building of the character's mother being once sought out by Duncan to join the Wardens and passing on this same skill and talent to that PC.



These perspectives are reinforced by action (that you see) -after- much of the statements are said. The City Elf either raids the Arl's estate or escapes the Arl's estate (male or female, slightly different) while the Human Noble fights off the invading Howe forces.



I don't understand peoples skepticism to a backstory explained by dialogue and on top of that it's reinforced by action before you are fully recruited. I mean seeing a display of this capability of the character before you are actually identified as being that capable would strengthen it but being told it is perfectly fine to me, some people seem to have a distrust with what they are told by the game and not demonstrated, as if backstory wasn't completely made up in this fantasy game anyways and there being little tangible difference. Sure the experience would be stronger if it were displayed at the start but that doesn't make it weak.

[Realmzmaster]

At the beginning of the Human Noble origin Dairren comments on the superb fighting prowess of the PC. The PC bested him during a tournament.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 01 mars 2010 - 08:15 .

[Nonvita]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The city elf does *not* fight in their life, it was taught by it's mother (this is the weakest part of all origins IMO). If it would actually have fought things, it would surely have been put to the gallows well before the wedding.

You, sir, have missed the entire point of the CE origin. You forget that you have been invisible sword fighting with your cousin Soris since you were children (and you always won, I might add). You never needed to train with actual weapons, as evidenced by the fact that you two can dualhandedly defeat countless guards and minor nobility despite never having held a real sword before in your life.

Clearly Duncan could not ignore this raw talent.


As for the HN, it was really just a plot to steal away the second Cousland child so that when Bryant and Fergus were killed in the war there would be no one left. Fortunately for Duncan, Howe decided to betray the Couslands at the exact same time, so he came out looking like a hero instead of the evil, malicious mastermind he truly is.

[Monica21]

Just replayed the HN origin, and Duncan was invited to the castle by Bryce. He might have mentioned Gilmore to Duncan, but Duncan didn't just show up out of the blue.

Edit: He did mention Gilmore. The actual line is "Your father invited me here, suggesting this Ser Gilmore."

Modifié par Monica21, 01 mars 2010 - 08:49 .