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[Trilarian]

My frustration has been taking out in the PS3 Tech forum, but since I don't think I saw a single dev response there I figured a more viewed forum would be in order.

My desire is simple, remove the lock from saved games!  There is no online multiplayer aspect so I can care less if some loser hacks his save file to cheat.  I just want a way to backup my saves so that I can feel confident enough to play this game (and the expansion) again.

100's of hours, and 5 complete story lines are lost to me with my PS3 hardware failure since EA/Bioware deemed it worse than bloodmagic for me to backup my saves to a USB stick.  So I am starting a petition that hopefuly will gain traction and follow in the footsteps of games like Resident Evil 5 where a patch was finally pushed that removed the save game lock.

This game is simply too long (especially when you add multiple characters for different story line decisions) to not be able to backup your save games!!!

[BanksHector]

I agree.

[Sloth Of Doom]

I disagree.

[Red Frostraven]

Lol? Care to elaborate why having backups of your save files on consoles with 10% and 50% failure rates, respectively for PS3 and the 360, is bad?

[Eurypterid]

I think it's a great idea (Sloth is just being contrary because that's what he does ). As noted, with the game being the size it is, to lose that much invested time would be a real <insert choice of curse>.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Consoles are self contained with the exception of downloadable content. If you start tweaking game saves the wrong way (improper syntax) there may be a possiblity to screw up more than a single game save. Knowing software it could propagate and that would be a death sentence to a console. Plus it may be proprietary to Sony because they want game saves in a particular syntactical format. To do it with a PC save, who cares what it screws up because how can you screw something up that's already screwed up (WINDOWS)? (please don't answer that

[Sloth Of Doom]

Eurypterid wrote...

I think it's a great idea (Sloth is just being contrary because that's what he does ). As noted, with the game being the size it is, to lose that much invested time would be a real .

I just like disagreeing with PS3 users.  I mean, they already seem to have gotten the DA short straw, so they are easy targets.


All kidding aside, I don't see any reason to impose limitations on PS3 saves, it seems rather pointless.  I'm sure bioware will have a fix for PS3 users this holiday season,  tomorrow,  soon,  with the xbox fix,  when sony approves, it is ready to go now after everyone loses interst.

Modifié par Sloth Of Doom, 01 mars 2010 - 06:27 .

[Grace1957]

Sir Sloth,that made me giggle.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I think it's a great idea (Sloth is just being contrary because that's what he does ). As noted, with the game being the size it is, to lose that much invested time would be a real .

I just like disagreeing with PS3 users.  I mean, they already seem to have gotten the DA short straw, so they are easy targets.


All kidding aside, I don't see any reason to impose limitations on PS3 saves, it seems rather pointless.  I'm sure bioware will have a fix for PS3 users this holiday season,  tomorrow,  soon,  with the xbox fix,  when sony approves, it is ready to go now after everyone loses interst.

 
I don't see it ever happening lest Sony wants PS3s to become a trashy Windows clone. I don't think it's up to Bioware, it's a Sony PS3 mandate.  Plus you're perception is wrong about the DA short straw (or did you mean the short "stick"?  Getting the short straw is usually a good thing (depending on what you're casting your lots for)) for PS3 DA'ers.  The PS3 is winning the console battle these days and it's because of it's extensive on-board chip and the robustness of their games (of which hard mandates are supposed to protect).

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[Trilarian]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

Consoles are self contained with the exception of downloadable content. If you start tweaking game saves the wrong way (improper syntax) there may be a possiblity to screw up more than a single game save. Knowing software it could propagate and that would be a death sentence to a console. Plus it may be proprietary to Sony because they want game saves in a particular syntactical format. To do it with a PC save, who cares what it screws up because how can you screw something up that's already screwed up (WINDOWS)? (please don't answer that

This is not a Sony requirement.  It is an option giving to the game developers.  Since it is locked, the file can not be copied and is ignored using their 'backup' feature.  I'm not trying to edit the file, and could care less if someone hoses their save game trying, I just want to be able to backup.  Also, well over 90% of the titles released for PS3 are unlocked and allow you to backup.  The list of games with locked saves is short, and I see NO reason for DA:O to be on it.  The majority of reasoning for the games that are locked is that it is multiplayer intensive, and therefore they are trying to avoid hacks/cheats that effect everyone's gameplay (remember Diablo II of old?).  If I did make a hack for a sword that does 99,999 damage a swing - who would it effect?  No one.  On the other hand, lose 100's of hours to a limitation unjustly imposed, well, lets just say I've decided not to purchase any expansions or DLC for this game unless they remove the lock (already burned once).

If they take too long in removing that lock, well there are many other games on the horizon that will take my interest.  Will my not buying the expansion bankrupt Bioware?  Hardly... but it is one less sale, and I'm sure there are more like me.  And for such a simple flip of the switch, they could please so many people...

Modifié par Trilarian, 01 mars 2010 - 06:43 .

[Cuthlan]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I think it's a great idea (Sloth is just being contrary because that's what he does ). As noted, with the game being the size it is, to lose that much invested time would be a real .

I just like disagreeing with PS3 users.  I mean, they already seem to have gotten the DA short straw, so they are easy targets.


All kidding aside, I don't see any reason to impose limitations on PS3 saves, it seems rather pointless.  I'm sure bioware will have a fix for PS3 users this holiday season,  tomorrow,  soon,  with the xbox fix,  when sony approves, it is ready to go now after everyone loses interst.

 
I don't see it ever happening lest Sony wants to become a trashy Windows clone. I don't think it's up to Bioware, it's a Sony PS3 mandate.  Plus you're perception is wrong about the DA short straw (or did you mean the short "stick"?  Getting the short straw is usually a good thing (depending on what you're casting your lots for)) for PS3 DA'ers.  The PS3 is winning the console battle these days and it's because of it's extensive on-board chip.

Drawing the short straw can be positive or negative, depending on the circumstances of the straw drawing.

And while the PS3 may be gaining ground on the xbox, we're still behind as far as Dragon Age is concerned. While PC and xbox already have patches/title updates, we're finally getting our first on Thursday, and we don't get RTO until next Thursday, which they've both had for a month as well.

Oh, as for the original post... I agree.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Cuthlan wrote...

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I think it's a great idea (Sloth is just being contrary because that's what he does ). As noted, with the game being the size it is, to lose that much invested time would be a real .

I just like disagreeing with PS3 users.  I mean, they already seem to have gotten the DA short straw, so they are easy targets.


All kidding aside, I don't see any reason to impose limitations on PS3 saves, it seems rather pointless.  I'm sure bioware will have a fix for PS3 users this holiday season,  tomorrow,  soon,  with the xbox fix,  when sony approves, it is ready to go now after everyone loses interst.

 
I don't see it ever happening lest Sony wants to become a trashy Windows clone. I don't think it's up to Bioware, it's a Sony PS3 mandate.  Plus you're perception is wrong about the DA short straw (or did you mean the short "stick"?  Getting the short straw is usually a good thing (depending on what you're casting your lots for)) for PS3 DA'ers.  The PS3 is winning the console battle these days and it's because of it's extensive on-board chip.

Drawing the short straw can be positive or negative, depending on the circumstances of the straw drawing.

And while the PS3 may be gaining ground on the xbox, we're still behind as far as Dragon Age is concerned. While PC and xbox already have patches/title updates, we're finally getting our first on Thursday, and we don't get RTO until next Thursday, which they've both had for a month as well.

Oh, as for the original post... I agree.

  
 
I already addressed that by qualifying:  "(depending on what you're casting your lots for)" so your attempt is too late.  
 
Whether you agree or not, there's mandates to protect software by Sony so it'll probably never happen (they don't do it with other games).

[UFORocks]

Free the Saves!

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

LOL! That's a good one UFORocks, I'm watching Spartacus too!

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 06:51 .

[UFORocks]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

 
Whether you agree or not, there's mandates to protect software by Sony so it'll probably never happen (they don't do it with other games).

Well unless you have the contracts in-hand that says exactly where to point the finger then that statement is pretty baseless.  

It's a Bioware / EA game, and until they come tell us "Sony Made us Do it" then there is no one to talk to but them. 

[Sloth Of Doom]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...
 
I don't see it ever happening lest Sony wants PS3s to become a trashy Windows clone. I don't think it's up to Bioware, it's a Sony PS3 mandate.  Plus you're perception is wrong about the DA short straw (or did you mean the short "stick"?  Getting the short straw is usually a good thing (depending on what you're casting your lots for)) for PS3 DA'ers.  The PS3 is winning the console battle these days and it's because of it's extensive on-board chip and the robustness of their games (of which hard mandates are supposed to protect).

Ok, seriously, I want some of whatever you are on.

1) Unlocking the ability to save games to an external device in no way makes a PS3 anything like a Windows based system.   That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

2) The way a single player game handles saves is up to the developer, not to Sony.  Most single player games allow saving to external devices, where multi-player games are usually limited in order to limit cheating.

3)  You are confusing the idioms "Draw the short straw/stick" and "Short end of the stick".  Drawing the short straw simply means you have been chosen, it can be for something good or for something bad.

4) The PS3 "winning the console battle" has nothing to do with the point at hand.  When it comes to DA (as you QUOTED AND THEN IGNORED) the PS3 has been behind in almost everything.  They RTO debacle is the most common example, followed by the lack of any patching and the relatively poor performance when compared to other systems.  


So, all in all, thank you for joining us but kindly try to keep on topic, and use a bit of common sense instead of just spewing verbal diarrhea.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

TRILARIAN: Name the games that allow you to save off to a stick? 90%? I don't think so. Yes Sony is extremely proprietary with its game formats, hence it's winning the console war of late (and hence the Air Force is using it's chip to string together for AI purposes, not anything Intel except for administrative desktops which are an extreme security hazard. There's not many security leaks (memory or otherwise with PS3 products) and hence the countless patches that have to be made for Windows and kid cousin Xbox). I'll take a solid PS3 game any day to a leaky Xbox / Windows do-all.

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

SLOTH: Who are YOU? I'll say and do whatever I want on this site (and thread) because I have an equal say. You're saying YOU have an unequal and biased "say?" LOL get your head out of the sand contrarian. I'm on the topic when it comes to saving sticks and the PS3 because basically, THAT'S THE ISSUE.  
 
Yes, it is the issue because Windows (and the Xbox) are an open architectured system.  Keeping game saves locked keeps it closed.  Open architectured systems have a unrealistic goal, do-it-all for every piece of hardware and software out there, impossible (and hence it's "leaky" track record over the years).
 
Nice try trying to get out of your short "straw" flub. Your attempts to save face are hilarious.  You defended short "stick" thinking that's what you said when you said "straw".

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 07:31 .

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

UFORocks wrote...

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

 
Whether you agree or not, there's mandates to protect software by Sony so it'll probably never happen (they don't do it with other games).

Well unless you have the contracts in-hand that says exactly where to point the finger then that statement is pretty baseless.  

It's a Bioware / EA game, and until they come tell us "Sony Made us Do it" then there is no one to talk to but them. 

 
They're not contracts, like I said they're mandates. If you want to create a game for their console, you'll have to follow their rules.  Just like a higher level language will have a programming manual dictates it's syntax, Sony has it's programming manual that you have to program to.  Unlike Windows and Xbox which are wide open (hence it's buggy nature but they seem to live with it).  It's a tradeoff.

[soteria]

SLOTH: Who are YOU? I'll say and do whatever I want on this site (and thread) because I have an equal say. You're saying YOU have an unequal and biased "say?" LOL get your head out of the sand contrarian. I'm on the topic when it comes to saving sticks and the PS3 because basically, THAT'S THE ISSUE.



Yes, it is the issue because Windows (and the Xbox) are an open architectured system. Keeping game saves locked keeps it closed. Open architectured systems have a unrealistic goal, do-it-all for every piece of hardware and software out there, impossible (and hence it's "leaky" track record over the years).



Nice try trying to get out of your short "straw" flub. Your attempts to save face are hilarious. You defended short "stick" thinking that's what you said when you said "straw".

I lol'd.



Maybe you should tell the folks who work on Linux about how bad and unrealistic their open system is.



You're confused, by the way. I wouldn't have said Sloth "defended" either short stick or short straw (does an idiom need a defense?), but he did explain drawing the short straw for you. How that translates to defending short "stick" is beyond me.



I bet you're a mac fan, too. It fits the profile so well...

[Sloth Of Doom]

Every post he makes is confused.

[wonko33]

are they locked because you could cheat the achievements and boost gamer score maybe?

Modifié par wonko33, 01 mars 2010 - 07:52 .

[orpheus333]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

SLOTH: Who are YOU? I'll say and do whatever I want on this site (and thread) because I have an equal say. You're saying YOU have an unequal and biased "say?" LOL get your head out of the sand contrarian. I'm on the topic when it comes to saving sticks and the PS3 because basically, THAT'S THE ISSUE.  
 
Yes, it is the issue because Windows (and the Xbox) are an open architectured system.  Keeping game saves locked keeps it closed.  Open architectured systems have a unrealistic goal, do-it-all for every piece of hardware and software out there, impossible (and hence it's "leaky" track record over the years).
 
Nice try trying to get out of your short "straw" flub. Your attempts to save face are hilarious.  You defended short "stick" thinking that's what you said when you said "straw".

One, this is a simple user level privilages issue that bioware either wanted turned off or were to lazy to turn on. Two, microsoft do a fine job with windows (especially 7) considering that any single modern  PC can have completely different hardware from the 100s that surround it. Three, i challange you to find any operating system that can work in the environments windows does, with the amount of users it has and be completely air tight in terms of security.

edit: also direct x is just as proprietery as any api that the ps3 uses just ask the guys behind the wine project for linux whether or not its 'wide-open'.

Modifié par andyr1986, 01 mars 2010 - 07:57 .

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

soteria wrote...

SLOTH: Who are YOU? I'll say and do whatever I want on this site (and thread) because I have an equal say. You're saying YOU have an unequal and biased "say?" LOL get your head out of the sand contrarian. I'm on the topic when it comes to saving sticks and the PS3 because basically, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

Yes, it is the issue because Windows (and the Xbox) are an open architectured system. Keeping game saves locked keeps it closed. Open architectured systems have a unrealistic goal, do-it-all for every piece of hardware and software out there, impossible (and hence it's "leaky" track record over the years).

Nice try trying to get out of your short "straw" flub. Your attempts to save face are hilarious. You defended short "stick" thinking that's what you said when you said "straw".

I lol'd.

Maybe you should tell the folks who work on Linux about how bad and unrealistic their open system is.

You're confused, by the way. I wouldn't have said Sloth "defended" either short stick or short straw (does an idiom need a defense?), but he did explain drawing the short straw for you. How that translates to defending short "stick" is beyond me.

I bet you're a mac fan, too. It fits the profile so well...

  
  
I never attacked Linux, just one developer of an OS, get with it.  Besides Linux is a form of Unix of which has it's own mandates.
 
Yes I lmao'd at YOU. Besides who cares who laughed who's a@# off, stay with the subject. 
 
You're confused, any attempt to address the idioms is a defense. He used the wrong idiom and is unwilling to admit it, that's insanity to me.  
 
I am NOT a Mac user, incorrect assumption, go back to the drawing board.

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 01 mars 2010 - 08:03 .

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Every post he makes is confused.

  
 
YOU'RE definately the one who's confused, and you're only making it worse with every post you make. Go back to the drawing board, keep trying, it's good entertainment here in the bit mines.