So we all know that the Citadel is a gigantic mass relay that leads to dark space. One thing that really confuses me is why the Reapers can't activate the relay from their side. After Sovereign was killed, I assumed that they had no immediate way of knowing that the time had come. But if Harbinger was also active, then they knew way before ME2. Did they just never think to build a spare key in all their great superiority?
Dark Space Relay
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RazielStar
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 10:53
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The Reapers did build in some contingency plans:
Plan A - Sovereign stays behind and sends the activation signal to the Keepers to divert power to the inactive relay.
Plan B - Keepers don't answer to signal-> Sovereign endoctrinates whatever allies he can find
Plan C - Sovereign damaged or destroyed -> Build another Reaper using whichever race the Collectors have sampled that shows the most potential. New Reaper tries to execute Plan A, Plan B...
Plan D - New Reaper damaged/destroyed -> return to Milky Way using an alternate method, flying there if necessary. Perhaps activate secondary relay in less favorable location.
The Keepers were a cleverly hidden device activation system. Perhaps the Citadel relay to Dark Space required some assembly before it could be activated, to make it less likely to be discovered by whatever organic race inhabits the Citadel. Leave too obvious a key and someone's bound to start looking for a keyhole somewhere...
The Reaper Fleet activation in the final sequence suggests the Reapers have been forced to rely on whatever Plan D will be revealed in ME3.
Plan A - Sovereign stays behind and sends the activation signal to the Keepers to divert power to the inactive relay.
Plan B - Keepers don't answer to signal-> Sovereign endoctrinates whatever allies he can find
Plan C - Sovereign damaged or destroyed -> Build another Reaper using whichever race the Collectors have sampled that shows the most potential. New Reaper tries to execute Plan A, Plan B...
Plan D - New Reaper damaged/destroyed -> return to Milky Way using an alternate method, flying there if necessary. Perhaps activate secondary relay in less favorable location.
The Keepers were a cleverly hidden device activation system. Perhaps the Citadel relay to Dark Space required some assembly before it could be activated, to make it less likely to be discovered by whatever organic race inhabits the Citadel. Leave too obvious a key and someone's bound to start looking for a keyhole somewhere...
The Reaper Fleet activation in the final sequence suggests the Reapers have been forced to rely on whatever Plan D will be revealed in ME3.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 10:56
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I hope it takes them 10,000 years to reach Council space. *Plot Twist!*
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:25
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So what, Shep's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, etc, etc, grand child can kick the reapers asses? 
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:29
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If you recall, the Reapers COULD activate the Citadel from a distance. It was called the Keepers. Unfortunately for them, those meddling Protheans turned off the signal for them, and their activation ability was essentially destroyed. Makes me wonder if you paid any attention to Vigil at all
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:29
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I'm assuming they figured no one would ever figure out that the keepers were actually the key to activating the citadel relay, I mean who would be looking for that since the existence of the reapers is unknown? I was having a big discussion with Krogan Face about this, social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1424893/19 .
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:31
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My bet is that Haistrum is actually a Mass Relay linked to dark space and that the reason the sun is collapsing so fast is that the Reapers activated it.
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:38
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
My bet is that Haistrum is actually a Mass Relay linked to dark space and that the reason the sun is collapsing so fast is that the Reapers activated it.
Interesting theory, but where is it? you should be able to detect energy readings of that magnitude, and I don't think there is a relay within a planet. Plus, why only affect the sun? Why no dark energy anywhere else in the system?
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Posté 01 mars 2010 - 11:54
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Damn it! I meant to say Haistrum's STAR! The star itself being the Mass Relay.Galimor_001 wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
My bet is that Haistrum is actually a Mass Relay linked to dark space and that the reason the sun is collapsing so fast is that the Reapers activated it.
Interesting theory, but where is it? you should be able to detect energy readings of that magnitude, and I don't think there is a relay within a planet. Plus, why only affect the sun? Why no dark energy anywhere else in the system?
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:08
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
Damn it! I meant to say Haistrum's STAR! The star itself being the Mass Relay.
Again, a star is millions of degrees hot in it's centre, where I would expect the mass relay to be. I can't think of any object being able to remain intact in there, at all, for any period of time, let alone 50000 or more years. Also, the star has been acting weird since the Quarians were there, some 300 years ago, that being the reason for the observatory was there in the first place. The reapers wouldn't have to activate the relay until they knew Sovereign where defeted, and that was only 2 years ago. Then again, it may be a countermesure. But then why is the star left, if they activate that relay before every invasion?
Modifié par Galimor_001, 02 mars 2010 - 12:10 .
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:22
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When the Haistrum star eventually collapses, at a extremely accelerated rate due to dark energy, it could act as a make shift mass relay end point for the Reapers to use to get out of dark space. Probably explained by whatever quasi-science that BW sees fit, just like the supergate in stargate for anyone that have watched the series.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:31
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That's what I was thinking, or perhaps the center of the star is the mass relay itself.Panda Cub wrote...
When the Haistrum star eventually collapses, at a extremely accelerated rate due to dark energy, it could act as a make shift mass relay end point for the Reapers to use to get out of dark space. Probably explained by whatever quasi-science that BW sees fit, just like the supergate in stargate for anyone that have watched the series.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:32
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Panda Cub wrote...
When the Haistrum star eventually collapses, at a extremely accelerated rate due to dark energy, it could act as a make shift mass relay end point for the Reapers to use to get out of dark space. Probably explained by whatever quasi-science that BW sees fit, just like the supergate in stargate for anyone that have watched the series.
Hmm, interesting...No comment needed here.
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:37
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No, i don't mean activating the citadel relay, I mean why can't the reapers activate the relay floating in dark space. *Think stargate* why can't they turn their relay on and jump to the citadel. Flying the long way seems like the absolute last thing they want to do. I'd give them 5 yrs at best
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 12:40
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As I said in another thread. I don't believe that there is a matching relay in dark space at the reaper end. The Citadel is huge and unique in that it doesn't need a matching end point.
If there was a dark space end-point, that would then beg the question of how it got there. All the other relays appear to have been built out of local resources (logically).
If there was a dark space end-point, that would then beg the question of how it got there. All the other relays appear to have been built out of local resources (logically).
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 01:21
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Reptilian Rob wrote...
Damn it! I meant to say Haistrum's STAR! The star itself being the Mass Relay.Galimor_001 wrote...
Reptilian Rob wrote...
My bet is that Haistrum is actually a Mass Relay linked to dark space and that the reason the sun is collapsing so fast is that the Reapers activated it.
Interesting theory, but where is it? you should be able to detect energy readings of that magnitude, and I don't think there is a relay within a planet. Plus, why only affect the sun? Why no dark energy anywhere else in the system?
The Haestrom Star theory there seems good, although except I think just one point I disagree with. I don't think there is a Mass Relay in the star.
I think the reason why the star is dying is because the Reapers are using the star as a form of fuel, draining the star of it's solar energy, which is causing the star to die faster than it should be, as Tali said that star still had plenty of energy left to burn. The Reaper fleet just needed just enough energy to get to the Milky Way galaxy, and what better source of energy but solar power?
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 01:32
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As much as I applaud the idea of Reapers going green, I think that they will probably use the extremely large number of element zero left in the system after Haestrom's star goes supernova to create a make shift super mass relay point (since the Citadel is unavailable).
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Posté 02 mars 2010 - 01:43
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TheUnusualSuspect wrote...
If there was a dark space end-point, that would then beg the question of how it got there. All the other relays appear to have been built out of local resources (logically).
The Reaper fleet itself could act as another relay point, there is a lot of element zero in each of those reapers and I imagine it's not just a coincidence that every reaper has the same two prong tips design at the end of their abdomen (the mass relays also has this two prong design). Certainly using those "local resources".
RazielStar wrote...
why can't the reapers activate the relay floating in dark space.
For a primary relay system to work it requires both ends be activated so reapers can't do anything on their dark space side. Otherwise the rachni might have been running around a lot sooner and the Citadel sanction against opening unknown primary relays would make no sense as you can't stop aggressive aliens from crossing over if it only requires one end to be active to jump into the other relay end-point.
Modifié par Panda Cub, 02 mars 2010 - 01:48 .
