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[TrueHD]

Okay, I assume Harbinger is a Reaper that can somehow manipulate and indoctrinate species when still in dark space. Then what was the point of Sovereign? And is Harbinger likely the lead Reaper?

[Gabey5]

Soverign was the key and Harbringer is now tasked with doing what Sov failed to do...now he failed but is still alive. he was smart not to actually appear

[fredders]

Whats making everyone think Harbingers a Reaper?



I thought he was just the Collector/Prothean general. Is it ever stated he is directly linked to a Reaper?

[sergio71785]

fredders wrote...

Whats making everyone think Harbingers a Reaper?

I thought he was just the Collector/Prothean general. Is it ever stated he is directly linked to a Reaper?

At the end you see the Collector "General" looking at a hologram of a Reaper. The Reaper (Harbinger) tells him that he's failed, that they'll find another way, and then proceeds to "release control" at which point the collector general's eyes turn off. 

[Gabey5]

fredders wrote...

Whats making everyone think Harbingers a Reaper?

I thought he was just the Collector/Prothean general. Is it ever stated he is directly linked to a Reaper?

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/Harbinger

[SandTrout]

End cinematic where you either detonate the reactor or turn it into a neutron bomb, there is a hologram of a reaper who tells the general (In harbinger's voice) "You have failed, we will find another way." Also, check your codex after the suicide mission.

[fredders]

sergio71785 wrote...

fredders wrote...

Whats making everyone think Harbingers a Reaper?

I thought he was just the Collector/Prothean general. Is it ever stated he is directly linked to a Reaper?

At the end you see the Collector "General" looking at a hologram of a Reaper. The Reaper (Harbinger) tells him that he's failed, that they'll find another way, and then proceeds to "release control" at which point the collector general's eyes turn off. 

Ohhhh, I always thought that was the Collector General talking, and that the Reaper hologram was a blue print design for the Human Reaper.

Hah, I couldn't have been further off!

[Busomjack]

I thought Harbinger was just the name of whoever the Collector General chose to control. I'm pretty sure the Harbinger actually being a reaper itself who was controlling the Collector General was supposed to be a plot twist.



The reason why Sovereign was needed was that he was likely left behind in case something went wrong. It did, the Keepers no longer responded to the indoctrination signal and thus Sovereign was needed to activate either itself or through a being he indoctrinated like Saren.



Once that failed, Harbinger used the collectors in an attempt to build a new Reaper based on humans in order to create a replacement for Sovereign.

[Thermetro]

Soveriegn was a sort of "scout", Nasara was nothing special, however it was capable of staying undercover, using various indoctrinated servants to do its bidding. It was to aid the return of the Reapers form Dark space. It is assumed that Harbinger is head reaper. Because it looks like its leading the Reaper fleet at the end of the 2nd game. And the fact that IT was the one controlling all of those collectors, suggesting its powers are very sophisticated.

However what I have never seemed to understand is; if the reapers could travel to that galaxy, then why did they not just do so anyway from the beginning? Because they needed the Citedel relay to become active to let them through, and then they were using the Collectors to discretely harvest humans. Its a lot of trouble when they could spring there invasion on the universe when they arrive. Without warning the likes of Shepherd, twice over in advance. And also, the countless reapers make me doubt the survival of that universe. Unless they start blowing up suns with dark matter and so on.

[sergio71785]

TrueHD wrote...

Okay, I assume Harbinger is a Reaper that can somehow manipulate and indoctrinate species when still in dark space. Then what was the point of Sovereign? And is Harbinger likely the lead Reaper?

Sovereign was left behind in the galaxy to monitor organic races and turn on the Citadel to bring in the rest of the Reapers when the time is right. He failed, and died. 

Upon his death, Harbinger took control of the situation. He's stuck in dark space, so he's having to work through agents; the Collectors. 

I assume that the Reaper that the collectors were constructing was going to be a "replacement" for Sovereign, to find a way of bringing in the rest of the Reapers, preferably through the Citadel.

[Internet Kraken]

I'm not sure Harbinger is the "lead Reaper". I always thought that he was just in charge of Reaper reproduction and the Collectors by extension.

[The Happy One]

Sister I think.

[Thermetro]

Yeah, perhaps Harbinger was from a race of organics, which were harvested the same way Humanity was being, however htis race had a very advanced mental capacity, and were used to create a reaper that could use its abilities like Harbinger does. Controlling a Collector General and all its soldiers to do its bidding all the way from the centre of that universe form Dark space must be very taxing on the mind/machine.

[TheLostGenius]

fredders wrote...

Whats making everyone think Harbingers a Reaper?

I thought he was just the Collector/Prothean general. Is it ever stated he is directly linked to a Reaper?

Harbinger is a Reaper possessing the collector general. Its stated directly in the game. The collector general essentially played Saren's role in the sequel, though as a villain he was not compelling and two dimensional.

[DarthCaine]

Harbinger is Sovereign's uncle

[The Angry One]

They went to the same fraternity.

[sergio71785]

Harbinger is Sovereign's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.



Furthermore, the self destruct code for Harbinger is 12345

[wako58]

It's his strange uncle that nobody in the family wants to talk about.

[Multisexor]

Thermetro wrote...
However what I have never seemed to understand is; if the reapers could travel to that galaxy, then why did they not just do so anyway from the beginning? Because they needed the Citedel relay to become active to let them through, and then they were using the Collectors to discretely harvest humans. Its a lot of trouble when they could spring there invasion on the universe when they arrive. Without warning the likes of Shepherd, twice over in advance. And also, the countless reapers make me doubt the survival of that universe. Unless they start blowing up suns with dark matter and so on.

Travel through space is really slow without the mass relays, which is why the Reapers previously used the Citadel to spring their attack right when organics advanced to a certain point.  From what I could tell the Reaper fleet is still pretty far away from the Milky Way at the end of ME2, so organics have some time to figure out what to do and develop better technology.  I can't wait to see how things will play out.

[Weskerr]

TrueHD wrote...

Okay, I assume Harbinger is a Reaper that can somehow manipulate and indoctrinate species when still in dark space. Then what was the point of Sovereign? And is Harbinger likely the lead Reaper?

Sovereign was the lone Reaper sentinel left behind in the Milky Way to signal the Reaper fleet in dark space when the Citadel Mass Relay was open. There was a hitch in their plans, however. The Protheans somehow disabled or interfered with the signal that Sovereign was to use to command the Keepers on the Citadel to activate the relay. Sovereign's alternative plan to use the Conduit on Ilos to transfer his Geth army directly into the Citadel as a surprise attack - and as a diversion - so he could then fly directly to the Citadel himself and activate it manually also failed, and he was killed as well.

Nowhere is it said that Harbinger is the Reaper leader. All that's known is that he can control the Collectors from dark space. Harbinger's plan was to build another Reaper within the galaxy to replace Sovereign. This newly built Reaper would then try to activate the Citadel Relay. This plan failed too.

All that's known now is that the Reapers are thinking up another plan to activate the Citadel Relay. Harbinger himself says as much, "We will find another way." We'll know what their next plan is in ME3.

[addiction21]

I think they are 2nd cousins twice removed uncles roomates best friends sisters aunt...

[tyddrwsau]

Thermetro wrote...
However what I have never seemed to understand is; if the reapers could travel to that galaxy, then why did they not just do so anyway from the beginning? Because they needed the Citedel relay to become active to let them through, and then they were using the Collectors to discretely harvest humans. Its a lot of trouble when they could spring there invasion on the universe when they arrive. Without warning the likes of Shepherd, twice over in advance. And also, the countless reapers make me doubt the survival of that universe. Unless they start blowing up suns with dark matter and so on.

What we are lead to believe in Mass Effect 1 is that the Reapers go off to dark space and hibernate to conserve energy while organic life evolves anew in the wake of their latest extinction crusade. A vanguard, like Sovereign, is left behind to monitor the galaxy locally and when organic civilisation(s) reach an appropriate level of advancement the vanguard triggers the Keepers in the Citadel, who open the Citadel Relay, and wakes up the deep space Reapers for their return. I perceived it as sort of an alarm clock. The Prothean survivors reprogrammed the Keepers so they didn't obey Sovereign's signal. What I don't understand is why Harbinger and the other Reapers woke up without the alarm clock going off, or why the only Mass Relay they built that could only be opened from the receiving side is their portal back to the Milky Way. If they're awake, shouldn't they be able to turn on their mass relay and bum rush the Citadel anyway?

Having the Collectors, controlled through Harbinger's tangled quarks or whatever, seems fine enough - another way to monitor the galaxy besides the obviously mind-blowing Reaper vanguard. (Collectors show up and trade funky tech for "slaves" from the other races versus an advanced ship bigger than anything else cruising into port.) It still doesn't resolve the weirdness where *only* the Citadel can activate the mass relay pair.

[x75flames]

I think Harbegner might be leade reaper.



Also, Harbenger could have been moving into the Milky Way the whole game, only to be shown at the end, it is a veary long trip. Also also, Harbenger didnt have to controle all the collectors, when someone takes over the goverment, the rest of the country will listen to you. Maybe CG was just the president. Harbenger could still "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROLE" them, but the had free will.

[TheBestClass]

Do all reapers look different? It looked like Harbinger was slightly stockier and more pointy than Sovereign.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

tyddrwsau wrote...

What I don't understand is why Harbinger and the other Reapers woke up without the alarm clock going off, or why the only Mass Relay they built that could only be opened from the receiving side is their portal back to the Milky Way. If they're awake, shouldn't they be able to turn on their mass relay and bum rush the Citadel anyway?

I personally suspect that there is no "other end" to the Citadel.  The Citadel is HUGE, and it is unique in that it is able to transport ships to and from points without there being a destination/end-point relay.

This would be logical, otherwise how else would they get themselves (and a relay) so far out into dark space in any reasonable amount of time.