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[Weskerr]

TheBestclass wrote...

Do all reapers look different? It looked like Harbinger was slightly stockier and more pointy than Sovereign.

Yes, the Reapers have superficial differences in their appearance, although they all retain the fundemental shape of Sovereign.

[Gill Kaiser]

Harbinger has two crests as opposed to Sovereign's one. Harbinger also has more arms, which articulate backwards rather than forwards like they did on Sovereign. Harbinger has 6 yellow lights on the front that resemble eyes. Besides that, they're pretty similar.

[SmokePants]

Harbinger is Sovereign's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

[Gill Kaiser]

More like his half-sister's wife's doctor's cousin's niece.

[RigAudio]

Sovereign is to Harbinger what Conrad Verner is to Shepard.

[-D-C-D-]

Drinking buddies. They met on the job a couple hundred thousand years ago. Turned out they both had a penchant for over-cliché "bad guy" catchphrases. Despite Harbinger's best (and many) efforts, however, he was unable to top his buddy Sov's "I am the vanguard of your destruction."



When Sovereign was killed, he personally took over the re-purposed Protheans, and went on a mass "anti-human" spree, with a personal mission of spreading his catchphrases throughout human colonies in a moving tribute to his late friend, Sovereign.

[Weskerr]

RigAudio wrote...

Sovereign is to Harbinger what Conrad Verner is to Shepard.

You have it backwards! Sovereign was badass.

[addiction21]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

More like his half-sister's wife's doctor's cousin's niece.

HEY!

addiction21 wrote...

I think they are 2nd cousins twice removed uncles roomates best friends sisters aunt...

I did it first. I demend waffles!!

[Panda Cub]

tyddrwsau wrote...
What I don't understand is why Harbinger and the other Reapers woke up without the alarm clock going off, 

Sovereign was more then likely still connected through some sort of communication method to the other reapers, we know distance isn't really a issue as Harbinger controlled the Collectors from dark space, and thus his/her/it's death was probably felt by the rest of the reapers, causing them to wake up. To use the sleeping metaphor again if someone is screaming in agony (as I imagine Sovereign's collective consciousness was right before it blew up) right next to a person who was sleeping that would work equally as well if not better then a alarm clock. 

tyddrwsau wrote...
If they're awake, shouldn't they be able to turn on their mass relay and bum rush the Citadel anyway?

From the description of the mass relays at mass effect wiki it requires both ends of a "primary" relay system (the only one that could span the distance the reapers would need to travel) to be activated for it to work.
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_relay

TheBestclass wrote...
Do all reapers look different? 

From what we have seen of the Reapers so far this seems to be the case (different number of eyes, arms, general body shape) probably based on the species that was used to make them, but they all seem to share the same outer casing as the last image of the reaper fleet shows them all clad in a black outer plating and similar abdomen design.

http://masseffect.wi...eaper_fleet.png

Modifié par Panda Cub, 02 mars 2010 - 01:17 .

[SmokePants]

I was the only one that adhered to a movie quote. I win.

And wouldn't both Harbinger and Sovereign be low-man on the totem pole for having to deal with this ****. They're like the Reaper equivalent of fraternity pledges.

[SandTrout]

SmokePants wrote...
And wouldn't both Harbinger and Sovereign be low-man on the totem pole for having to deal with this ****. They're like the Reaper equivalent of fraternity pledges.

Not necessarily. In the millitary, point-men and scouts are usually relatively high in the command structure of a unit, as they hold a great deal of resposibility for the survival of their unit and success of an opperation. Even if it is a crap job, it still deserves respect.
The Reapers were probably awakened by the same signal that was supposed to start the Keepers activating the Citidel relay, but since the keepers didn't respond, they were stuck outside a locked door asking Sov "WTF dude?"

[Rynozeros]

Sister

[Murphys_Law]

Thermetro wrote...

Soveriegn was a sort of "scout", Nasara was nothing special, however it was capable of staying undercover, using various indoctrinated servants to do its bidding. It was to aid the return of the Reapers form Dark space. It is assumed that Harbinger is head reaper. Because it looks like its leading the Reaper fleet at the end of the 2nd game. And the fact that IT was the one controlling all of those collectors, suggesting its powers are very sophisticated.
However what I have never seemed to understand is; if the reapers could travel to that galaxy, then why did they not just do so anyway from the beginning? Because they needed the Citedel relay to become active to let them through, and then they were using the Collectors to discretely harvest humans. Its a lot of trouble when they could spring there invasion on the universe when they arrive. Without warning the likes of Shepherd, twice over in advance. And also, the countless reapers make me doubt the survival of that universe. Unless they start blowing up suns with dark matter and so on.

Because they want to control the Citadel and use that to attack.  That is how they destroyed every civilation beforehand and the Proethan relay, Vigil, tells you this.  By controlling all the mass relays they essentially isolate each planet and take it down one by one.  That is why they leave all that technology behind because they know the civilizations will become dependant on it.  The reapers are not as powerful as they like you to believe, they need the element of surprise, communication/transportation cut off, and possble indocturnated spies to win.  Of couse, like you said the control of the mass relays helps them travel to our galaxy in addition to the other benefits.  What I think people are missing is that I don't really see Soverign as Plan A and the Collectors as Plan B.  They are just seperate missions if you will.  The Reapers always try to build more of themselves with the conquered races' genetic material.  What we stumbled on was really just the early stages of a human reaper that would have been perfected should the Reapers have won (or possible used in the coming invansion).  Basically, what I am saying is their invansion has a lot of moving parts and is multilayered.

[SmokePants]

SandTrout wrote...

SmokePants wrote...
And wouldn't both Harbinger and Sovereign be low-man on the totem pole for having to deal with this ****. They're like the Reaper equivalent of fraternity pledges.

Not necessarily. In the millitary, point-men and scouts are usually relatively high in the command structure of a unit, as they hold a great deal of resposibility for the survival of their unit and success of an opperation. Even if it is a crap job, it still deserves respect.
The Reapers were probably awakened by the same signal that was supposed to start the Keepers activating the Citidel relay, but since the keepers didn't respond, they were stuck outside a locked door asking Sov "WTF dude?"

But scouts are humans scouting other humans. The Reapers view us as bacteria and so being forced to deal with us is probably quite analogous to janitorial work.

And keep in mind that both Sovereign and Harbinger failed. For being "infinitely our greater", they didn't fare so well.

I think Bioware intended them to be figureheads, but my Reaper Short bus theory amuses me, so I'll stick with it for now.

[Urazz]

They also want to use the citadel to get to our space so they won't waste so much resources getting back to the galaxy and attacking everyone head on. The citadel served as both their shortcut to the galaxy and a trap to kill the governing body of the current galactic government in a suprise attack so no major organized resistance could be mounted.



I'm assuming there is a massive mass relay connected to the citadel in Dark space (though not capable of supporting life like the citadel or disguised as a space station) so the Reapers could easily get back to dark space once they are finished 'harvesting.' Sadly, the Citadel is still not activated so the dark space mass relay can't work without the other side being active.

[slyguy07]

I actually have a theory that the reapers have several galatic destination mass relays in dark space. The milky way just being one of them. Of course this is just a theory.

[Gill Kaiser]

SmokePants wrote...

I was the only one that adhered to a movie quote. I win.

Well, mine was a quote from "A Bit of Fry and Laurie". So hah.

[Vaenier]

"Sovereign... I am your father..." "Noooooo!"

[Trenrade]

RigAudio wrote...

Sovereign is to Harbinger what Conrad Verner is to Shepard.

an annoying ******?

[aeetos21]

It's guy love!

[ObserverStatus]

Their relationship? They're both giant space fleas, what else is there to say?

[Isaantia]

They were lovers but "on a break". Before they could make up completely, Shepard killed Sovereign. Now Harbinger wants revenge on the human that killed its lover.