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[Kryyptehk]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I couldn't find it. If I free Jowan in Redcliffe, will I be able to save Connor by entering the Fade? Will someone else suggest the ritual to go into the Fade? Or should I just keep him in the cage?

[amethyst_rose2009]

When I let him out I remind him that I expect him to help out and not to make things worse and he always shows up on his own when the time comes, though Teagan and Isolde seem to be a little pissed that you free Jowan to begin with.

[Kryyptehk]

amethyst_rose2009 wrote...

When I let him out I remind him that I expect him to help out and not to make things worse and he always shows up on his own when the time comes, though Teagan and Isolde seem to be a little pissed that you free Jowan to begin with.

I mean, can you free him so he will run away, not just accepting his offer to help?

[mousestalker]

Yes.

[Kryyptehk]

mousestalker wrote...

Yes.

And will someone else suggest going to the Circle? Or must I kill either Connor or Isolde.

[Mirthadrond]

Kryyptehk wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Yes.

And will someone else suggest going to the Circle? Or must I kill either Connor or Isolde.

Good question... since it's Jowan who suggests the blood magic in the first place, which leads to you asking... 'isn't there any other way??"

[IanPolaris]

Mirthadrond wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Yes.

And will someone else suggest going to the Circle? Or must I kill either Connor or Isolde.

Good question... since it's Jowan who suggests the blood magic in the first place, which leads to you asking... 'isn't there any other way??"

If you tell Jowan to run away and reject his help, then Conner must die.  Without Jowan there, there is no possibility of learning about another way to kill the Demon in Conner.  That's pretty silly, but there it is.  For all of Jowan's faults (and they are legion), I think Jowan probably knows more about the theory and principle of magic than anyone else (PC included) except maybe Flemeth and the First Enchanter.  The man is a genius when it comes to the theoretical applications of magic.  His practical knowledge........leaves something to be desired.

-Polaris

[pudi0072000]

Erm, if you bring Alistair, he'll suggest going to the Circle - I think even Isolde suggests it once you've freed Jowan. So no, you don't have to kill Connor unless you want to. Jowan can show up on another sidequest later, although it's a random encounter and nearly impossible to get without using the console.

[xzxzxz701]

pudi0072000 wrote...

Erm, if you bring Alistair, he'll suggest going to the Circle - I think even Isolde suggests it once you've freed Jowan. So no, you don't have to kill Connor unless you want to. Jowan can show up on another sidequest later, although it's a random encounter and nearly impossible to get without using the console.

No, its not a random encounter, its just that theres a bug on the 360 and the PS3 that won't show the area on your map.

[IanPolaris]

pudi0072000 wrote...

Erm, if you bring Alistair, he'll suggest going to the Circle - I think even Isolde suggests it once you've freed Jowan. So no, you don't have to kill Connor unless you want to. Jowan can show up on another sidequest later, although it's a random encounter and nearly impossible to get without using the console.

You sure about that?  To my knowledge suggesting going to the circle only happens after Jowan reveals that there might be another way to save Conner other than killing him.  Until then, Alistair and Morrigan seem to have a (very rare!) ageement that the only way to cure an abomination is to kill it, and that is the common wisdom.

-Polaris

[pudi0072000]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

pudi0072000 wrote...

Erm,
if you bring Alistair, he'll suggest going to the Circle - I think even
Isolde suggests it once you've freed Jowan. So no, you don't have to
kill Connor unless you want to. Jowan can show up on another sidequest
later, although it's a random encounter and nearly impossible to get
without using the console.

No, its not a random encounter, its
just that theres a bug on the 360 and the PS3 that won't show the area
on your map.

I'm playing on the PC, but it was a random encounter between the Dalish camp and the Brecilian Forest for me, which popped up as I was traveling and locked as soon as the area was cleared...

IanPolaris wrote...

pudi0072000 wrote...

Erm, if you bring Alistair, he'll suggest going to the Circle - I think even Isolde suggests it once you've freed Jowan. So no, you don't have to kill Connor unless you want to. Jowan can show up on another sidequest later, although it's a random encounter and nearly impossible to get without using the console.

You sure about that?  To my knowledge suggesting going to the circle only happens after Jowan reveals that there might be another way to save Conner other than killing him.  Until then, Alistair and Morrigan seem to have a (very rare!) ageement that the only way to cure an abomination is to kill it, and that is the common wisdom.

-Polaris

Fairly certain, though it's been a while since I did that playthrough. I remember I was planning on killing Connor, but Isolde had to have begged me a dozen times to find another way. I had the option to leave the castle but I didn't take it. I'll see if I still have that savegame so I can double check, but I could've sworn Alistair or Isolde brought up the Circie.

Modifié par pudi0072000, 02 mars 2010 - 02:14 .

[krylo]

I think Alistair does if you say that that there must be another way in response to Isolde's constant whining, but I'm not 100% sure.

[ArawnNox]

In one of my earlier playthroughs, I left Jowan in his cell, and I was able to rescue Connor. I had Alistair and Wynn in my party, so I don't know if that was a factor.

Dialogue options may have had something to do with it as well.

Or it might have been how much information I pried from Jowan while he was in his cell.

At any rate, you don't really need Jowan around if you want to rescue Connor.

[Indistinct_Void]

I think if you have Morrigan in your party, she can tell you that the Circle of Magi can help you.

[sylvanaerie]

Wynne or Morrigan will mention the Circle Magi if they are in your party.

[IanPolaris]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Wynne or Morrigan will mention the Circle Magi if they are in your party.

Yes but AFTER Jowan opens up the possibility.  Morrigan herself says, "There is only one way to deal with an abomination" (i.e. kill it).  It's one of the rare places in the game where Alistair and Morrigan see completely eye to eye.

You do get Morrigan or Wynne to mention the circle but IMX only AFTER Jowan mentions the possibility of another way.  This mention will always happen if you leave Jowan in his cell or you allow him to help.

If you don't than I am fairly sure that the only solution left is to kill Conner.

-Polaris

[Kryyptehk]

IanPolaris wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

Wynne or Morrigan will mention the Circle Magi if they are in your party.

Yes but AFTER Jowan opens up the possibility.  Morrigan herself says, "There is only one way to deal with an abomination" (i.e. kill it).  It's one of the rare places in the game where Alistair and Morrigan see completely eye to eye.

You do get Morrigan or Wynne to mention the circle but IMX only AFTER Jowan mentions the possibility of another way.  This mention will always happen if you leave Jowan in his cell or you allow him to help.

If you don't than I am fairly sure that the only solution left is to kill Conner.

-Polaris

I'll just be safe and tell Jowan to help out but not to make things worst. Thanks for the help!

[Mirthadrond]

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.



Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.

I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...



Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

[IanPolaris]

Mirthadrond wrote...

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.

Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.
I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...

Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

Indeed, and in such a case you will always get the option to save Conner.  Indeed AFAIK the only way you don't get that option is if you either tell Jowan to go away and reject his offer for help, or have him take a dirt-nap then and there.  Either way, AFAIK if Jowan is unavailable, then you must kill Conner.

-Polaris

[xzxzxz701]

IanPolaris wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.

Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.
I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...

Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

Indeed, and in such a case you will always get the option to save Conner.  Indeed AFAIK the only way you don't get that option is if you either tell Jowan to go away and reject his offer for help, or have him take a dirt-nap then and there.  Either way, AFAIK if Jowan is unavailable, then you must kill Conner.

-Polaris

No, if Jowan is dead or has ran off somebody will ALWAYS mention going to the circle for help.

Modifié par xzxzxz701, 02 mars 2010 - 03:43 .

[RobUnreal]

IanPolaris wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.

Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.
I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...

Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

Indeed, and in such a case you will always get the option to save Conner.  Indeed AFAIK the only way you don't get that option is if you either tell Jowan to go away and reject his offer for help, or have him take a dirt-nap then and there.  Either way, AFAIK if Jowan is unavailable, then you must kill Conner.

-Polaris

On my first play through, I told Jowan to run and that I never wanted to see him again.  I had Wynne in my party.  There was still an option to ask if there was any other way.  Wynne suggested the Circle Tower.

[IanPolaris]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.

Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.
I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...

Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

Indeed, and in such a case you will always get the option to save Conner.  Indeed AFAIK the only way you don't get that option is if you either tell Jowan to go away and reject his offer for help, or have him take a dirt-nap then and there.  Either way, AFAIK if Jowan is unavailable, then you must kill Conner.

-Polaris

No, if Jowan is dead or has ran off somebody will ALWAYS mention going to the circle for help.

Again, are you absolutely sure about that? The information I have (and the Prima Guide agrees with me for what it's worth) is that unless Jowan is available OR unless you have successfully completely the Circle Mage quest AND saved the mages, you MUST kill Conner.  The dialog options give you no other choice.  Even Morrigan (who knows a fair bit about magic) says that "killing Conner is the only way" and Alister agrees (a rare agreement for those two).

As for Wynne, you can't have Wynne in the party unless you completely the Broken Circle so that's a non-starter and I know that Morrigan doesn't mention it unless or until Jowan does (and then only to confirm that yes, Jowan has it right).

-Polaris

[RobUnreal]

IanPolaris wrote...

xzxzxz701 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mirthadrond wrote...

When I talk to Jowan, I usually get the option, that I'll release him, but he's coming with me.

Then... he suddenly doesn't want to help out quite so much... so I usually respond with... fine, you can sit in your cell then.
I dont take any approval hits from the party that way, either...

Teagan eventually goes to the dungeon to fetch him.

Indeed, and in such a case you will always get the option to save Conner.  Indeed AFAIK the only way you don't get that option is if you either tell Jowan to go away and reject his offer for help, or have him take a dirt-nap then and there.  Either way, AFAIK if Jowan is unavailable, then you must kill Conner.

-Polaris

No, if Jowan is dead or has ran off somebody will ALWAYS mention going to the circle for help.

Again, are you absolutely sure about that? The information I have (and the Prima Guide agrees with me for what it's worth) is that unless Jowan is available OR unless you have successfully completely the Circle Mage quest AND saved the mages, you MUST kill Conner.  The dialog options give you no other choice.  Even Morrigan (who knows a fair bit about magic) says that "killing Conner is the only way" and Alister agrees (a rare agreement for those two).

As for Wynne, you can't have Wynne in the party unless you completely the Broken Circle so that's a non-starter and I know that Morrigan doesn't mention it unless or until Jowan does (and then only to confirm that yes, Jowan has it right).

-Polaris

Here's a thought, complete the Circle Mage quest first

[IanPolaris]

RobUnreal wrote...

Here's a thought, complete the Circle Mage quest first

Here's a thought:  Alistair (for fairly decent reasons) suggests going to Redcliff first.  If you do, then what I said happens.

-Polaris

[RobUnreal]

Well, that's unfortunate for you, then.