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[mousestalker]

My current play through as a mage I did the Circle first and then proceeded to Redcliffe. I freed Jowan from his cell and told him to "scram", which he did. I had Alistair, Lelianna and Dog in my party when we had the conference regarding demonic possession of Connor. My character was given the option of suggesting the Circle as an alternative. After some discussion that is what I did. Connor lived. Isolde lived. Jowan lived and is now a hunted fugitive with a bugged quest (PC version).



You do not need Wynne, Morrigan or Jowan if your PC is a mage and you have already cleared Kinloch Hold and sided with the mages.

[IanPolaris]

RobUnreal wrote...

Well, that's unfortunate for you, then.

Please. Do. Not. Make. This. Personal.

The point being is that there is a hidden requirement for saving Conner and if you DON'T do that requirement, and go with what the game itself suggests, then you either have Jowan available or Conner must die.

Keep the snark down please.

-Polaris

[RobUnreal]

mousestalker wrote...

My current play through as a mage I did the Circle first and then proceeded to Redcliffe. I freed Jowan from his cell and told him to "scram", which he did. I had Alistair, Lelianna and Dog in my party when we had the conference regarding demonic possession of Connor. My character was given the option of suggesting the Circle as an alternative. After some discussion that is what I did. Connor lived. Isolde lived. Jowan lived and is now a hunted fugitive with a bugged quest (PC version).

You do not need Wynne, Morrigan or Jowan if your PC is a mage and you have already cleared Kinloch Hold and sided with the mages.

As per OP, there's a bunch of different ways to get to the same result.

[IanPolaris]

mousestalker wrote...

My current play through as a mage I did the Circle first and then proceeded to Redcliffe. I freed Jowan from his cell and told him to "scram", which he did. I had Alistair, Lelianna and Dog in my party when we had the conference regarding demonic possession of Connor. My character was given the option of suggesting the Circle as an alternative. After some discussion that is what I did. Connor lived. Isolde lived. Jowan lived and is now a hunted fugitive with a bugged quest (PC version).

You do not need Wynne, Morrigan or Jowan if your PC is a mage and you have already cleared Kinloch Hold and sided with the mages.

I bolded the important part.  If you did not do the circle first, you would not have gotten the opportunity to save Conner even as a mage without Jowan.  The option to save Conner simply does not come up.

-Polaris

[Kryyptehk]

IanPolaris wrote...

RobUnreal wrote...

Well, that's unfortunate for you, then.

Please. Do. Not. Make. This. Personal.

The point being is that there is a hidden requirement for saving Conner and if you DON'T do that requirement, and go with what the game itself suggests, then you either have Jowan available or Conner must die.

Keep the snark down please.

-Polaris

I agree, jeez Rob, it is not that important. Polaris is just answering a question for me. He isn't attacking you, he's just making sure you don't screw up my game by telling me the wrong info. There's no reason to be snarky.

[RobUnreal]

IanPolaris wrote...

RobUnreal wrote...

Well, that's unfortunate for you, then.

Please. Do. Not. Make. This. Personal.

The point being is that there is a hidden requirement for saving Conner and if you DON'T do that requirement, and go with what the game itself suggests, then you either have Jowan available or Conner must die.

Keep the snark down please.

-Polaris

There's hidden requirements for every bit of dialogue and every option in this game.  If you don't do it, not like what it gives you, figure it out and reload if you can.  Figure out the system that gets you what you want.

As far as my comment goes, I'll retract it.  But, don't get butt-hurt at snide remarks.  It's unattractive.

[IanPolaris]

RobUnreal wrote...

As far as my comment goes, I'll retract it.  But, don't get butt-hurt at snide remarks.  It's unattractive.

Then I strongly suggest you don't make the snide comments to begin with.  Enough said.

-Polaris

[pudi0072000]

Right, so just went to that old save I was talking about and lo and behold: You can free Jowan and still have Morrigan and Alistair suggest going to the Circle without having done the Circle of Magi quest line.

Transcript for proof:

I: Please! Connor’s not responsible for this! There must be some way we can save him!

PC: I see no way this can end happily.

M: Clearly, the child is an abomination. There is only one way to stop it.

I: He is not always the demon you saw. Connor is still inside him, and sometimes he breaks through. Please, I just want to protect him!

T: Isn’t that what started this? You hired the mage to teach Connor in secret… to protect him.

I: If they discovered Connor had magic, then they’d take him away! I thought if he learned just enough to hide it, then…

PC: What are our options?

A: I wouldn’t normally suggest slaying a child, but… he’s an abomination. I’m not sure there’s any choice.

I: No! What… what about the mage? He could know something of this demon! If he still lives, we could speak to him!

PC: No, you can’t. He’s gone.

I: Gone? What do you mean, gone? Is he dead?

PC: What does it matter? He cannot help us.

I: Can we do nothing else?

M: Killing the child is the quickest course, but to say there is nothing else possible would be a lie. We can confront the demon in the Fade, though not easily.

T: What do you mean? The demon is within Connor, is it not?

M: No, it lies in the Fade and controls the boy from there. We can follow that connection, however, and do battle with its true form.

I: So you can enter the Fade? And kill the demon without hurting my boy?

M: Possible to, yes. Able to, perhaps not. Entering the Fade required lyrium as well as numerous mages to perform the ritual.

I: Neither of which we have. I… understand. Can we do nothing else?

PC: There must be another way to enter the Fade.

A: You can find lyrium and more mages at the Circle of Magi – if they would even do it.

PC: The Circle tower is not far from here.

A: That is an excellent point. One of the treaties is also for the Circle of Magi, after all.

T: The tower is about a day’s journey across the lake. You could attempt to get the mages’ help.

I: But what will happen here? Connor will not remain passive forever!

PC: I will take that chance.

T: Go to the tower quickly, then. The longer you are away, the greater the chances of disaster.


 
Edit for formatting. I swear, this is the ****tiest forum I've ever seen. C/P shouldn't kill everything.

 

Modifié par pudi0072000, 02 mars 2010 - 07:19 .

[mousestalker]

Bodahn Feddic: And there you have it....

Hopefully we're all a bit less crabby today and sunshine and unicorns will romp through the forums again.

:innocent:

Modifié par mousestalker, 02 mars 2010 - 07:19 .

[IanPolaris]

I have NEVER seen Morrigan give that line. Then again if I am playing a mage PC, I seldom have Morrigan in the group. Learn something new I guess. I still think it's much easier and safer just to have Jowan available. Otherwise it looks to me like you have to have Morrigan and/or Wynne present to save Conner.



-Polaris

[Reaverwind]

IanPolaris wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

My current play through as a mage I did the Circle first and then proceeded to Redcliffe. I freed Jowan from his cell and told him to "scram", which he did. I had Alistair, Lelianna and Dog in my party when we had the conference regarding demonic possession of Connor. My character was given the option of suggesting the Circle as an alternative. After some discussion that is what I did. Connor lived. Isolde lived. Jowan lived and is now a hunted fugitive with a bugged quest (PC version).

You do not need Wynne, Morrigan or Jowan if your PC is a mage and you have already cleared Kinloch Hold and sided with the mages.

I bolded the important part.  If you did not do the circle first, you would not have gotten the opportunity to save Conner even as a mage without Jowan.  The option to save Conner simply does not come up.

-Polaris

Yes, it does. I've played through multiple times, with PC mage as the sole mage in the party, with and without Alistair in the party, and with Morrigan or Wyne as the sole mage. Here's what I've learned:

If Morrigan is the sole mage, when you ask about options for dealing with Connor, Morrigan will mention Connor's demon can be confronted in the Fade.

If Wynne is the sole mage, she'll do the same.

If your PC is the sole mage, Teagan will cue you to do the same.

If you have more than one mage in the party, the other mage's dialog always takes precedence over the PC mage's.

At this point, if Alistair is in the party, he'll mention you can find lyrium and more mages at the Tower. Otherwise, Teagan mentions the Tower is close by.

It is not necessary to have completed the Broken Circle questline to get the above, and you can leave Jowan completely out of the loop.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 02 mars 2010 - 11:15 .