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[crimzontearz]

if, comes ME3, the lazy, the stupid and the jerks are put on the same level as the people who put effort and invested (emotionally and time wise) in the game?

yes it's about squadmates...it's on nearly everyone's mind when we think about ME3 and the possibility of our favorite characters reduced to cameos because there was the chance they could die. I kinda resigned to the likely eventuality the whole ME2 team would be Cameoized for ME3 but feel I need to say this....

I mean let's say I saved my whole crew and my whole team in the suicide mission...why should I lose potential ME3 full squad members favorite returns because someone else was too lazy to save them all?

so where hypotetically Subject A saved everyone Subject B and subject C did not...

Subject B never upgraded the normandy fully because "LOLZ yeah right who cares, it's a gimmick" and so he lost 2 squaddies before even getting to the collectors' base.....he lost another in the vents because "ZOMG you mean I had to read the characters' descriptions and THINK before picking one?"..... he also lost another one at the "hold the line" sequence because he never did his upgrade research because "mining is too boring....there is no PEW PEW PEW involved!". Luckily he saved the others out of dumb luck. And after all this, rather than reloading a previous saved file to correct his mistakes or attempt another, better, playthrough, he just sets the game aside waiting for ME3.

Of course then there is Subject C who willingly let everyone (but the two mandatory squadmates necessary for Shepard's survival) die because he WANTED the worst possible transferrable ending.

Shouldn't Subject B be punished for his laziness and stupidity?

Shouldn't Subject C face the consequences of his decisions?

Most importantly shouldn't Subject A be rewarded for his effort and investment?

Sure B and C would get a lot less from ME3 being allowed only whoever they saved form ME2 + Kaiden/Ash, Liara + the mandatory one or two new squaddies( a minimum of like six) as opposed to the whole roster Subject A would have access to (minus maybe Jack and Thane since they ae dying...) but B and C got themselves in this situation and can always replay ME2 to change it!

otherwise, if everyone is given a nearly entirely new team with a few cameos here and there thus levelling the scenario evenly......what was the point of it all?


ok rant over and forgive te mistaked I am logging on with my omnia.

[SandTrout]

Um, Thane is the only terminally ill member of the team, and he's still got a couple years left. Not sure where you got the impression that Jack is dying, I certainly didn't get that tid-bit.
My expectation is that your team from ME2 is going to be your team in ME3, with a few returnees from ME1 if you only got out of the suicide mission with 2 or 3 members left. Maybe a new member to make a round 6 squad members.

Modifié par SandTrout, 02 mars 2010 - 12:19 .

[Nyaore]

SandTrout wrote...

Um, Thane is the only terminally ill member of the team, and he's still got a couple years left. Not sure where you got the impression that Jack is dying, I certainly didn't get that tid-bit.
My expectation is that your team from ME2 is going to be your team in ME3, with a few returnees from ME1 if you only got out of the suicide mission with 2 or 3 members left. Maybe a new member to make a round 6 squad members.

People tend to interpret the line about neural degregation from, I think it was her dossier, to mean that she's terminally ill.

[SarEnyaDor]

Yeah - that line certainly smacks of biotic-induced Alzheimer's....



I do sort of agree with OP that everything should transfer over how it happened, but I don't think it is likely to actually happen.

[crimzontearz]

SandTrout wrote...

Um, Thane is the only terminally ill member of the team, and he's still got a couple years left. Not sure where you got the impression that Jack is dying, I certainly didn't get that tid-bit.
My expectation is that your team from ME2 is going to be your team in ME3, with a few returnees from ME1 if you only got out of the suicide mission with 2 or 3 members left. Maybe a new member to make a round 6 squad members.

it's in her L5x upgrade description...she has a form of neural degeneration...if there were cuts to be made arbitrarily Thane snd Jack seem to be set up to get shafted

[Madecologist]

Give credit, the average gamers are trying to unlock "no one is left behind" even youtube videos have discussions on how to do the suicide mission. I know we see a few posters that go "I killed X and Y lolz! The suck" and people who just don't care. But they are not the majority they think they are. But overall most gamers see the suicide mission as a challenge and see the surivival of the team as a sort of score. Heaven knows, gamers do like being outdone by another player.

[R34P3RR3D33M3R]

SandTrout wrote...

Um, Thane is the only terminally ill member of the team, and he's still got a couple years left. Not sure where you got the impression that Jack is dying, I certainly didn't get that tid-bit.
My expectation is that your team from ME2 is going to be your team in ME3, with a few returnees from ME1 if you only got out of the suicide mission with 2 or 3 members left. Maybe a new member to make a round 6 squad members.

Thane says he has 8-12 months.
But I agree with the rest of your post and hope that you're right about the ME2 team being our ME3 team also.

[ChaobSiroc]

All of the characters recruited in ME2 were for the mission of passing through the Omega 4 relay and defeating the collectors, most will disband in the opening of ME3 save for those extremely loyal to Shepherd (Tali, Garrus, Miranda?, Jacob?) And somehow I suspect Liara may return for the final sequal, others such as Legion will play a role obviously in the attack on the reapers, assuming they weren't killed.... the fact that anyway can die means they need replacement characters that can fill the role of deceased squad mates in the same way that Wreave filled in if Wrex was killed in ME1.



Put simply, my opinion is the majority of ME2 characters won't be playable in ME3 for the obvious reason that they only signed on for the collector assault.

[Alamar2078]

I agree with the OP and the sentiments but I'm not expecting much. I wish that your decisions really would make an impact but most of your decisions are of the form where you can likely get allies to fight. However I doubt you'll ever win a direct confrontation so ME3 will all be about how much collateral damage will there be before you "defeat" the Reapers.

[superimposed]

Actually, the whole 'loyalty' system was to show their loyalty to Shepard - overriding any previous loyalties they might have had.

[wako58]

ChaobSiroc wrote...

All of the characters recruited in ME2 were for the mission of passing through the Omega 4 relay and defeating the collectors, most will disband in the opening of ME3 save for those extremely loyal to Shepherd (Tali, Garrus, Miranda?, Jacob?) And somehow I suspect Liara may return for the final sequal, others such as Legion will play a role obviously in the attack on the reapers, assuming they weren't killed.... the fact that anyway can die means they need replacement characters that can fill the role of deceased squad mates in the same way that Wreave filled in if Wrex was killed in ME1.

Put simply, my opinion is the majority of ME2 characters won't be playable in ME3 for the obvious reason that they only signed on for the collector assault.

I agree with you although I would like to see them all back as well.  I think I invested a considerable amount of time in them.  The 4 characters you mentioned along with Liara and the surviving ME1 LI are sure to return as well I think.  It's Mordin (10 yrs. beyond normal Salarian lifespan already), Thane (at most 1 year left to live), and Samara (no reason left to stay) that have serious question marks.  I also believe, however, that the vast majority of gamers tried to save everyone as opposed to those who tried to survive with the smallest crew possible.

Gonna be really interesting to see how bioware pulls this off.  They have certainly left people with lofty expectations.

[crimzontearz]

ok I do not get how people are so "sure" about returning characters



everyone can die, if in my story Tali is dead (she is not she really is snuggling in bed with me....oh and she says hi) vaporized by the explosion of the mass effect core then the devs are definitely not gonna bring her back to life like POOF it never happened....she will be definitely DEAD in my story which is why oh so many people believe Bioware will just give the Cameo shaft to everyone (since fully voiced squadmemebers are DE FACTO the most expensive part of the game)



unless the devs find the quads to REALLY make people deal with their laziness/face the ripples of their choices



and that is without even getting into the whole "we have to make ME3 also an Entry point for all those who did not play ME1 and 2

[Mondo47]

This whole idea of varying numbers of survivors got me thinking of potential concequences in ME3... I've played ME1 through a couple of times to make more Sheps, and the Vermire mission got me thinking: what if the survivors of ME2 could leave you to bolster forces in the upcoming final battle?

Say you play through ME2 and you save about two-thirds of the squad. Unless Bioware throw us a total curveball the last chapter is going to be mustering the disparate forces of the galaxy to face the Reapers. You pick up a couple of newcomer squad members to fill up numbers, along with the ME1 love interests (newcomers wil bolster squad numbers for people playing through after the death of Shepard/new players, and for sake of what I'm about to hypothesize, I'm leaving Wrex on Tuchanka). You play a few missions, then the Council/Anderson/TIM/whoever gets you on the comm and says that the Reaper's army of the week is assailing Planet X - the squad goes to investigate.

You get there - we'll say Planet X this turn is Tuchanka. Wrex is mustering the Krogan for an almighty ground war, and he asks Shep to be his second-in-command. Shep however can't, because he has to go behind enemy lines and liberate the Reaper's poorly defended supply of unobtanium/battle plans/kidnapped civilians/Urz the Varren/delete as applicable. Wrex still needs someone to help out. Grunt's the obvious choice - if he survived ME2. Or you can put someone else in. Or you can tell him to go it alone.

Each character has, much the same as ME2's squad has the invisible hold-the-line quotient, a value for certain missions. In this situation, Grunt might help Wrex score an almighty victory, further cementing his place in the clan. Or Wrex might die, and Grunt becomes the next to hold the throne on Tuchanka. Or a dozen other things. Either way, he might leave the squad for the rest of the game. Putting someone else in his place might just result in the detachment not following orders and getting massacred, telling Wrex to go it alone might result in Wrex biting the big one... you get the idea.

As Shep hops around doing his missions to find the weak spot in the Reapers assault/find the Anti-Reapers/meet the Prothean deus-ex-machina that's been hiding on the Citadel all along, other forces might need to borrow a squad member, potentially keeping them, losing them due to them having to continue the work there, or failure through sending the wrong person resulting in a death/weakening of an army in the final confrontation. Ideal examples might be Tali needs to fill her father's place on the Admiralty Board, Mordin needs to do some bio-science on/for the Rachni, Legion has to reassume control of a shedload of Geth Admiral Xen has reprogrammed, Ash/Kaidan has to convince Hackett to move the Alliance fleet to these co-ordinates... others can try, but the ideal squad member will result in a higher bonus in the final battle.

When Shep reaches the end and has to somehow get inside Harbinger to upload the virus/activate the Halo... I mean Citadel/set up the dark-matter supernova bomb/whatever, you have a core of remaining squad members, the rest add a bonus to the massive battle that wages on while Shep makes like Frodo and throws the proverbial Ring into Mount Doom. All those bonuses come in again, dictating which fleets survive, which are vaped, which do the most damage, etc.

Someone playing through with no Shep would just have a baseline where a skin-of-the-teeth victory is possible based on success in the squad-based missions, but everyone in the final assault will suffer horrific losses/result in political instability/whatever. Where survivors have bolstered the odds, there are better results (Grunt becomes king, Wrex joins the Council, Legion brings peace between the Geth and Quarians, you go build that house on the homeworld for Tali, or just keep kicking the bad guys into line as the baddest Spectre ever, or whatever floats your boat in this situation - or maybe Shep does an ultimate sacrifice thing and everyone dies but the universe is a better place... blah blah blah)

This is all just off the top of my head, so forgive any enormous holes in logic, but my point is this - could this potentially be the kind of reason we might have to keep folk alive in the next game and/or have such a large potential squad at our disposal?

Just a thought, folks

Modifié par Mondo47, 02 mars 2010 - 01:50 .

[Tehface]

Assuming they all survive, some of the ME 2 Characters aren't obligated to stay with Shepard, some will (I think) however. It's also logical to assume that whoever you saved on Virmire will rejoin your team, since your finished with Cerberus. It's also save to guess that Liara will rejoin once she has dealt with the Shadow Broker. Wrex though, I don't think so. He's busy trying to unite the clans on Tuchunka, we'll see him definitely but I highly doubt he'll be a squadmate.

Squad Probability:

We can also eliminate some of the ME 2 Characters return using their background info.
Samara- Seeing how she is a Justicar, It's unlikely that she'll stay with Shepard during ME 3.
Grunt- He's iffy. The way I see it, he could either stay with Shepard or return to Tuchanka.
Jack- Though she doesn't really show any inclination to stay with Shepard otherwise, the other Shepards who romanced her, could influence her to stay. Never actually romanced her personally, does she do it for love or sex?
Mordin- Since he is an aging Salarian, it is possible that Mordin won't have a combat role in ME 3, and just have a scientist role like in ME 2.
Zaeed- He's DLC, plus is doing it for money. He's a definite no.
Legion- Another one who I can see going both ways, he could leave and return to the Geth or stay
with Shepard. Most likely though, to return to the Geth.
Thane- He was working under contract, and even still, the events of ME 2 were intended as his final mission, unless a cure is found for him, it's likely he'll not return.
Miranda and Jacob- They both are fed up with Cerberus and pretty strongly follow Shepard. Both almost positively a yes.
Tali and Garrus- Since they've stayed with Shepard this long, they won't be leaving. Both are strongly loyal, and Tali's 'vas Normandy' title makes the Normandy her home.
So that leaves us with;
Almost Postitive: Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Liara, and Ashley/Kaidan
Maybe: Mordin, Grunt, Legion
Probably Not: Jack, Samara, Zaeed, Thane

I don't think BioWare will screw us over just because we decided not to do something or save someone. I think the more people you saved, however, will grant you ammenities in the final showdown.

It doesn't seem like BioWare to punish the good players for what the dumb players did on purpose. :innocent:

Modifié par Tehface, 02 mars 2010 - 02:14 .

[Big I]

I agree with this thread. Coming in new or with a massacred squad should not make ME3 unwinnable, but everyone who took the time to save everyone should be rewarded with in-story benefits in ME3.

[Collider]

Players should have to deal with the consequences of their actions, good or bad. It reduces the suicide mission to a gimmick if the surviving squad mates are not returning to Mass Effect 3. Those who did the bare minimum to survive the suicide mission should deal with the consequences. Players were reminded constantly that the ship could get destroyed or his squad killed.



It's very within Bioware's power to have all squad mates return, or at the very least have the fan favorites return as squad mates.



1) All or most squad mates will return as squad mates in ME3. If x squad mate died in ME2, then:



a) another NPC assumes their position (and is not a squad mate)

or they're just absent from the game. There may be some references through email or dialogue, though.



It's all binary. Either 0 = they didn't survive, or 1 = they did survive.

[Reiella]

Or they could end up with a schtick like the pantaloons from BG1, where a majority of players simply cheated their way to the parts in ToB because the easter egg was just that awesome.

Personally, I am anticipating the same treatment that the ME1 characters got.  And from what I recall [can't cite source, so take it as hearsay] that we might even have the potential situation being that our character in ME3 isn't Shepard.