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[GnusmasTHX]

I don't think you understand.

The Leviathan of Dis is not confirmed to be related to the Reapers, whatsoever. You cannot use speculation as proof for another theory.  This is not a matter of opinion or evidence, simply what is stated within the game universe. The Leviathan has no confirmed relation with the Reapers at all, so you can't use them as proof for your theory that the Reapers existed a billion years ago.

Any connection made between the Leviathan and Reapers is speculation in and of itself. You can't form a theory based on speculation and more theories.

Or you can, and there's no real intelligent process to this thread, contrary to the list of 'evidence' you've provided and demanded for your theory and from others. I concede that this argument is folly, because you're apparently incapable of distinguishing between what you know, and what you can speculate. I, however, do not take baseless speculation as proof.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 03 mars 2010 - 04:00 .

[Hyper Cutter]

Now the Reapers are arrogant but with good reason. They have had this
cycle thing going for Millions of years with no significant resistance
(ME2, derelic reaper). Chances are none of them has died since the one
they lost the one you board on ME2. I would be worried that if humans
can a kill a reaper with less than century of space xp, what could they
do if they had more time? Humanity would now represents a clear and
present danger. Shepard would be the embodiment of that threat
(Conjecture from ME2).

I'm not sure Reaper mortality is that low, they don't appear to be that tough defensively. That's probably the reason they deliberately isolate and sow chaos as part of their attack.

-D7- wrote...
Now Sovereign knew the other races would eventually run into them so he prep them to fight the moment they
are discovered.

Hell, the unnamed people who opened that relay to rachni space might themselves have been agents of Sovereign (willing or otherwise)...

-D7- wrote...

Plan C. Sovereign needs another race to act
as fodder for him to get close to the Citadel. At some point he finds a
Prothean beacon and realizes that the Citadel has been sabotaged by the
group of Protheans that escaped notice on Ilos (Conjecture since
Soverign was on Vermire). Now the situation is worse since he will now
need have a physical link to Citadel central control meaning that an
'inside man' will be needed. At around this time he becomes aware of the
Geth and corrupts a group of them (Legion, ME2). He then allows himself
to be found   (from the first ME book) and indoctrinates Saren. The
rest is the events that occur in ME1 which ends in failure. Plan C is a
bust.

Keep in mind, Sovereign can't use the beacon himself,
they're programmed specifically so only organic species can use them (Vigil mentions this).Also, I don't think the beacons contained any information that would be relevant to Sovereign's interests other than "Ilos is important and here's a broad idea of where it is".

I'm not sure Sovereign
ever figured out specifically what the Protheans did to the Citadel,
actually. I almost wonder if he thought he'd find
whatever disabled the Citadel on Ilos, and upon finding a backdoor into
the Citadel instead was like "well, that'll work too".

[AusShep]

Just to add to the pot.... my theory:



It is true that there is no confirmed relation between the Leviathan and the Reapers. However, it's undeniable that they appear similar in many ways. Both are huge, ancient creatures of unknown origin, though one is synthetic, and one appears to be primarily if not exclusively organic. Two opposing alien mega-species.

Now while there is, admittedly, no or little evidence to support this, I find it quite plausible that there is a second race of ancient, super advanced beings.... organic ones.

This was the first great galactic civilization, and they were also the Reapers creators. They created the first Reaper as a predominantly artificial construct with only trace elements of their own organic material. At some point, the Reapers began to question their existence (very closely mirroring the quarian/geth incident, which would not be surprising, given Biowares talent for foreshadowing plot).

The Reapers, beings of pure calculating logic, became envious of their masters organic capabilities (ie. they recognized that their existence was limited to their hardware, while their masters' was free and flexible.) They began a war against their masters, with very few survivors (the Leviathan). Of the ones they captured, they harnessed the desired organic components and integrated it into themselves, attempting to achieve a 'perfect balance' of organic and synthetic parts, for what they deem a 'perfect existence'.



Now, every 50 000 years, they return to harvest only the most useful genetic material from the organic civilizations into themselves, hopefully bringing them one step closer to their goal....

[Mallissin]

From here.

Corben158 wrote...

Animal on gamestop forums posted
"guys, I think it's just an easter egg. in dante's diving comedy he goes to hell (ie hades, aka hades gamma). according to dante, Dis is the name of one of the nine areas of hell, and Dis is also used as a name for Satan.
thus, leviathan of dis in the hades gamma cluster is a reference to satan."

But all and all Its the most interesting thing so far yet seen, I hope its in the game sooner or later, Although looking at the collectors and the CE armor, maybe they made the organic ship.

http://en.wikipedia....(Divine_Comedy)
http://masseffect.wi...iki/Hades_Gamma

Here's a list of the system names in Hades Gamma:

Antaeus - named after a greek giant, son of the Earth and Sea. He would challenge people to a wrestling match and if they lost, took their heads.
Cacus - Roman fire breathing monster, ate flesh and stuck the head of victims on nails (probably where the phrase Dragon's Teeth game from for the husk devices)
Dis - See Divine Comedy reference and was also a name for the greek god Pluto (who was lord of the underworld).
Farinata - another Dante reference, Farinata was the leader of an enemy of Dante's ancestors. Character was based off a real person.
Plutus - Roman demigod son of Demeter and Hades, or the son of the devil.

They all seem like metaphors used as precedent for the Reaper mythos. That they are an evil force meant to challenge each race to evolve and if the races fail, they take their "heads" which I guess could mean technology, genome, or, like I described in my theory, assimilate their minds as new units in their hive-mind.

That was ME1. In ME2 we have Hades Nexus:

Hekate - Greek demigod, daughter of Earth and Sky. Associated with magic, dogs and "gateways", as well as childbirth and had  eunuchs guard her temples. Plays right into the Collector mythos, the Omega-4 gateway to the Collector base, and perhaps the Collectors themselves who were clones thus much like eunuchs. Dogs were bred from nature (wolves) to help hunt and protect, just like the Collectors were genetically modified and cloned to be used for the same purposes.
Pamyat - Russian word for memory, but also a Russian racist, xenophobic and antisemitic political group making it probably a basis for Cerberus. Planets are named after dead cosmonauts.
Sheol - Jewish name for the afterlife (no real heaven or hell in Judiasm). The single planet (Gei Hinnom) is definitely a Jewish reference to Hell and hosts an N7 mission to save a Quarian scout from Varren.

Starting to feel like the Quarians are space Jews and the Geth are golems (the original robots). Cerberus attacking the Quarians at one point makes sense after examining Hades Nexus.

Modifié par Mallissin, 04 mars 2010 - 02:34 .

[Vagula]

I like the idea that the Reapers were originally a species completly obsessed with becoming immortal gods and basically they succeeded. They are just bringing order and enlightenment to the galaxy. Like a really ****ed up religion that happens to be true.

[AdamBoozer]

Im reading through everyone's theorys. I have been busy lately, but I will try to comment on a couple tomorrow or so.

Now as for you gnusmas all I have to say is this and it will be the last time.

If you can't talk about something else PLEASE leave. I think the leviathan of dis has been discussed enough heard enough and your boring me and anoying everyone now.

But if you want to continue to troll I can call a mod to handleit but id prefer to be mature about it. This is the only warning im going to give. I have asked nicely twice now please do the respectful thing.

[AdamBoozer]

Mallissin wrote...

From here.

Corben158 wrote...

Animal on gamestop forums posted
"guys, I think it's just an easter egg. in dante's diving comedy he goes to hell (ie hades, aka hades gamma). according to dante, Dis is the name of one of the nine areas of hell, and Dis is also used as a name for Satan.
thus, leviathan of dis in the hades gamma cluster is a reference to satan."

But all and all Its the most interesting thing so far yet seen, I hope its in the game sooner or later, Although looking at the collectors and the CE armor, maybe they made the organic ship.

http://en.wikipedia....(Divine_Comedy)
http://masseffect.wi...iki/Hades_Gamma

Here's a list of the system names in Hades Gamma:

Antaeus - named after a greek giant, son of the Earth and Sea. He would challenge people to a wrestling match and if they lost, took their heads.
Cacus - Roman fire breathing monster, ate flesh and stuck the head of victims on nails (probably where the phrase Dragon's Teeth game from for the husk devices)
Dis - See Divine Comedy reference and was also a name for the greek god Pluto (who was lord of the underworld).
Farinata - another Dante reference, Farinata was the leader of an enemy of Dante's ancestors. Character was based off a real person.
Plutus - Roman demigod son of Demeter and Hades, or the son of the devil.

They all seem like metaphors used as precedent for the Reaper mythos. That they are an evil force meant to challenge each race to evolve and if the races fail, they take their "heads" which I guess could mean technology, genome, or, like I described in my theory, assimilate their minds as new units in their hive-mind.

That was ME1. In ME2 we have Hades Nexus:

Hekate - Greek demigod, daughter of Earth and Sky. Associated with magic, dogs and "gateways", as well as childbirth and had  eunuchs guard her temples. Plays right into the Collector mythos, the Omega-4 gateway to the Collector base, and perhaps the Collectors themselves who were clones thus much like eunuchs. Dogs were bred from nature (wolves) to help hunt and protect, just like the Collectors were genetically modified and cloned to be used for the same purposes.
Pamyat - Russian word for memory, but also a Russian racist, xenophobic and antisemitic political group making it probably a basis for Cerberus. Planets are named after dead cosmonauts.
Sheol - Jewish name for the afterlife (no real heaven or hell in Judiasm). The single planet (Gei Hinnom) is definitely a Jewish reference to Hell and hosts an N7 mission to save a Quarian scout from Varren.

Starting to feel like the Quarians are space Jews and the Geth are golems (the original robots). Cerberus attacking the Quarians at one point makes sense after examining Hades Nexus.

lol interesting post. Well the people who voice the quarians are generally from the middle east.

This dis one has far reaching implications. Might actually need to change my theory slightly.

AusShep wrote...

Just to add to the pot.... my theory:

It is true that there is no confirmed relation between the Leviathan and the Reapers. However, it's undeniable that they appear similar in many ways. Both are huge, ancient creatures of unknown origin, though one is synthetic, and one appears to be primarily if not exclusively organic. Two opposing alien mega-species.
Now while there is, admittedly, no or little evidence to support this, I find it quite plausible that there is a second race of ancient, super advanced beings.... organic ones.
This was the first great galactic civilization, and they were also the Reapers creators. They created the first Reaper as a predominantly artificial construct with only trace elements of their own organic material. At some point, the Reapers began to question their existence (very closely mirroring the quarian/geth incident, which would not be surprising, given Biowares talent for foreshadowing plot).
The Reapers, beings of pure calculating logic, became envious of their masters organic capabilities (ie. they recognized that their existence was limited to their hardware, while their masters' was free and flexible.) They began a war against their masters, with very few survivors (the Leviathan). Of the ones they captured, they harnessed the desired organic components and integrated it into themselves, attempting to achieve a 'perfect balance' of organic and synthetic parts, for what they deem a 'perfect existence'.

Now, every 50 000 years, they return to harvest only the most useful genetic material from the organic civilizations into themselves, hopefully bringing them one step closer to their goal....

You have no sources, most of this is incorrect. This is a perfect example why I placed those rules. For one you need to read up on the reapers and listin to EDI at the end of the game.

Vagula wrote...

I like the idea that the Reapers were originally a species completly obsessed with becoming immortal gods and basically they succeeded. They are just bringing order and enlightenment to the galaxy. Like a really ****ed up religion that happens to be true.

Where have you based this off of?

Hyper Cutter wrote...

Hell, the unnamed people who opened that relay to rachni space might themselves have been agents of Sovereign (willing or otherwise)...

Keep in mind, Sovereign can't use the beacon himself,
they're programmed specifically so only organic species can use them (Vigil mentions this).Also, I don't think the beacons contained any information that would be relevant to Sovereign's interests other than "Ilos is important and here's a broad idea of where it is".

I'm not sure Sovereign
ever figured out specifically what the Protheans did to the Citadel,
actually. I almost wonder if he thought he'd find
whatever disabled the Citadel on Ilos, and upon finding a backdoor into
the Citadel instead was like "well, that'll work too".

Good idea about the indoctronated people opening the dormant mass relay to the rachni. We do know the reapers were involved in the war.(rachni queen actuallly told us so)

Sovereign used saren to use the beacons (eden prime) Sovereign knew of it and he knew they changed the citadel. He must of tried to send the signal and found out it didn't work and was pissed then tracked down the beacons and found out about illos. Then sends saren after the cipher and when he gets that from the thorian he is on his way and that's when sovereign (nazara) saw they could use another way to get in.

Modifié par AdamBoozer, 05 mars 2010 - 12:24 .

[Mallissin]

AdamBoozer wrote...
lol interesting post. Well the people who voice the quarians are generally from the middle east.

This dis one has far reaching implications. Might actually need to change my theory slightly.

Have you read my theory yet? Much of the Easter eggs above tie in even though I discovered them after developing the theory.

Vagula wrote...

I like the idea that the Reapers were originally a species completly obsessed with becoming immortal gods and basically they succeeded. They are just bringing order and enlightenment to the galaxy. Like a really ****ed up religion that happens to be true.

Where have you based this off of?

He's been indoctrinated! GET HIM! *chases after Vagula*

Good idea about the indoctronated people opening the dormant mass relay to the rachni. We do know the reapers were involved in the war.(rachni queen actuallly told us so)

Sovereign used saren to use the beacons (eden prime) Sovereign knew of it and he knew they changed the citadel. He must of tried to send the signal and found out it didn't work and was pissed then tracked down the beacons and found out about illos. Then sends saren after the cipher and when he gets that from the thorian he is on his way and that's when sovereign (nazara) saw they could use another way to get in.

I don't think there were any Reapers wandering around prior to the Rachni wars. I think Sovereign was with the Rachni and corrupted them, then the relay was open and Sovereign snuck out during the choas. Watching the battles, he probably corrupted the Krogan as well. Once they were defeated, he made is way over to the Perseus Veil, probably investigating the Quarians and Geth.

The name Nazara might have been from the previous race he indoctrinated, sort of like the name "Sovereign" he took on from Saren. Could be a clue to tracking his movements in ME3, along side the dying stars he might have used to refuel.

Anyway, Nazara seems sort of like a Quarian name. Could have been what the Geth called him.

Modifié par Mallissin, 05 mars 2010 - 08:03 .

[Mercedes-Benz]

My theory is that the original Reapers were the most advanced race of their time (maybe even the first technologically advanced civilization in the Galaxy), which after reaching a certain point in their development, decided to turn themselves into the Reapers ( I base this on Sovereign mentioning on Virmire that they are the "pinnacle of Evolution"). As for why they "harvest" the Galaxy, I think it is for 2 reasons:

1) So that no race can become more advanced than them and destroy them.
2) To replenish their numbers and to add to their own technology anything new that the organic races might have developed.

Modifié par Mercedes-Benz, 17 mai 2010 - 12:07 .

[Fedowyn]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

My theory is that the original Reapers were the most advanced race of their time (maybe even the first technologically advanced civilization in the Galaxy), which after reaching a certain point in their development, decided to turn themselves into the Reapers ( I base this on Sovereign mentioning on Virmire that they are the "pinnacle of Evolution"). As for why they "harvest" the Galaxy, I think it is for 2 reasons:

1) So that no race can become more advanced than them and destroy them.
2) To replenish their numbers and to add to their own technology anything new that the organic races might have developed.

I kind of agree with the theroy that once the "organic reapers" got to a certian point they intertwined themselves with synthetic materials to create the massive ship-like beings that we see in the game.

A few reasons that the harvest the galaxy (i think)
1. part of a reproductive cycle. each reaper seems to have slightly different features, so maybe a new one is created every time that they "harvest" the galaxy. (like the human reaper)

2. replenish their supply slaves / servants. (husks, scions, etc)

3. maybe they are working towards some sick religious goal, and harvesting the galaxy somehow gets them closer to that goal. (something to do with the geth that were staring at the shiney light on feros in ME1?)

[CroGamer002]

[Sajuro]

AdamBoozer wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

The Leviathan of Dis is hardly 'proof' that Reapers existed billions of years ago.

(Though I agree there is some as of yet unrevealed relation.)

Where was the ship found again? Read the page trust me man I looked pretty hard and usually when you see a crator in ME it's reapers.

it all makes sense now.... REAPERS KILLED THE DINOSAURS!

[Sajuro]

Mesina2 wrote...

It should be "Thread Reborn"

[lhr poptart]

slyguy07 wrote...

My theory is that an ancient race sought immortality and came up with the reapers. Each program in a reaper vessel is not a "program", but an individual's consciousness, personality and memories. Somehow upon this transfer they were altered to believe it was there newfound duty to find the most advanced and worthy organic species and grant them this same gift. The weak would die and not drain anymore resources for the reaper's potential use. Thus the 50,000 year cycle.

My theory falls in the same lines as this. Only each reaper was not an 'individual' consciousness but a collective from that society. All of their emotions, memories and technological advances contained in one reaper. Over the eons of time, they gather more and more cultures and different technologies and add it all to a sort of Hive mind. 

Now when I think about the universe and what I have learned in Science class throughout my educational life, it adds more to my theory. We all know about the "Big Bang Theory" and what its implications are on our universe. What if the reapers have researched this and know that at some point our universe will implode. And to counter this they have a plan, one incomprehensible by our standards. Something that they look forward to and are planning to avoid in some grand and complex scheme.

My sources would have to be the way Harbinger talked during a lot of the battles, including the term "Ascension" and our race rising up. crazy crap like that. I am still thinking of a way to add Shepard into my theory and why the Reapers would take a phenomenal amount of attention and gear it toward him. Also i don't have a theory about where the Reapers came from. Maybe they are the "first" race that came to be in the Milky Way and over the eons of time they lost their own information on who they actually were and where they came from. <<< This due to the fact that Sovereign said that there was no beginning and no end when it comes to the reapers.

And heres a little theory of mine about me3. >> Maybe there is nothing we, humanity, can do to stop the Reapers from this goal. There isn't much information concerning the reapers. Obviously killing off an entire race and the others that inhabit a galaxy is wrong but maybe its good because of the self-preservation. The Protheans wouldn't have had much information either and they also assume that the Reapers are 'evil' and must be stopped. Maybe the reapers do accomplish their goals within me3 and Humanity is assimilated leaving the destruction of the advanced milky way races to be done.  And over the Eons of time ahead they Reapers accomplish their goal by avoiding certain doom.

[Fear_me_leader]

A good question to ask is why the reapers are trying to justify there actions they always say we "organics" would not understand but, then they try and say why what they are doing is right.

[Mallissin]

I assume they have a timed cycle because they're trying to stop something from happening. I'm guessing they feel it's an unavoidable event, sort of like Skynet starting the war in the Terminator series. So, they try to stop the galactic society from progressing at specific points before it happens.

Sort of like a lab researcher checking a petri dish every x number of hours, waiting for a certain cell count. If they miss the target because they either let it sit too long or things didn't grow as planned, then the culture isn't balanced right and they have to throw it away.

I personally think it's the actual Reaper evolution, like I described in another thread. They're looking for races that are compatible with their technologies yet different enough to add something to their understanding.

Humans seem to fit into the niche, and most of us consider that unfortunate.

[StarGateGod]

lot of good points and theoriesm, but which is true

[SandTrout]

We won't know till we get more information weather it's through ME3, a comic, or a book.

[Krimson_Wolf]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Indeed

[KevShep]

AdamBoozer wrote...

I love reading about the reapers and the many theories so I decided to make this thread. When it's near finished should have multiple theory's from the people on this forum. Just a couple rules to post one so we don't get the less reputable waffle reaper theories lol though they are funny this is a more serious thread.

1.) You have to leave a link to your source where you got the inspiration. If you got it from a mission what mission? a site what site? It not only legitimizes your theory, but it allows us to check back and see your train of thought on the matter.
2.) Follow the board rules when it comes to down to it, try not to troll, or fight with someone with just name calling it is good to see arguments, but only when they have substance.
3.) Don't talk about fight club. Oh wait wrong thing :L Nope the third rule is you MUST have of read the topics or watched the videos in the topic http://social.biowar...5/index/1142168 How are you supposed to post a theory without knowing what you are talking about anyway.

That's it. I just don't want to see the tread bogged down with waffle theories and people arguing about whose hotter Miranda or ash.

WITH that out of the way . . . What is you're theory about the origins of the reapers, their motives, and anything else reaper like you can think of so long as you're using the three rules to do it I don't mind.

My personal theory
I believe that billions of years ago (2) there existed a very great space faring organic cybernetic race (speculation because the reapers are all as far as I can tell because of EDI organic/and machines). There technology was far superior to anything anyone existing today. They used something our scientist call element zero aka neutronum. Element zero is so far beyond us that we can only theorize that it is formed inside neutron stars. (1) This cybernetic race built the reapers who in turn built the citadel and the mass relays billions of years ago. (3, 4) As a result the serpent nebula was created from billions of years of repair. (4) They encompassed they're entire galaxey, when they discovered there galaxy was dieing they sought a way to save themselves. They found one alternative left to continue they're race, The Reaper. Using an interstellar mass effect core engine as the reapers use today they escaped their civilzations death as the first reaper with a fraction of their civilzation. (5) They must have intended to "de-reaper" themselves through advanced cloning and downloading tech, on entry to the new galaxy, The Milky Way. (6) Once they arrived for some reason the programing on the A.I. side went wrong and took over or maybe they realized the immense power they had, but they did not "de-reaper". Instead, they remained as they were a reaper. The rest was really history as they say. Seeing the young milky way as a potential breeding ground for their own kind they built the relays and the citadel (super mass relay). I think they made the citadel in attempt to get to a better suited galaxy and then altered it to suit better as a trap when it had failed. Through billions of years (2) of advancement though 50k year hibernation set back in development they have advanced very far. They must have realized that they could harvest tech from rising organic races and improve and replicate themselves at the same time holding the galaxy as their own. That's my theory anyway. What do you think?

Sources:
1.Element zero aka Neutronum:
http://masseffect.wi...ki/Element_zero
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Neutronium
2. Proof reapers existed billions of years ago:
Levithan of Dis http://masseffect.wi...eviathan_of_Dis
3. Mass relays / citadel:
http://masseffect.wi...wiki/Mass_Relay
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Citadel
4. Serpent nebula:
http://masseffect.wi.../Serpent_Nebula
5. Reaper engines:
http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper (Now removed from site it did have some speculation on the reaper engines if you can find the site please give it to me. It said that the reapers didn't need to discharge there drive cores since they were in dark space or perhaps they found another way around this.)
6. Reaper Memorys and A.I. programs
Look under "The reapers and collectors" http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper

This is my theory its not much different then yours........They are hybrids of organic and synthetic life forms. The only reason a synthetic life would be organic also is if it at one point was simply an organic life form.



This means that that organic species has implanted them selves with a advanced VI becoming a organic AI (hybrid) what other reason would a simply synthetic life from need with organics! None!.........................shocker.......thats what Cerberus is doing (Project Overlord)...hint,hint!

Have you noticed the scars on Shepards face?...There the same color as the genetic goo being pumped into that human reaper. Seriously has NO ONE NOTICED....Has NO ONE NOTICED that his unusual return is down played and not explained..........Thats because THEY...ARE...RELATED. We also know that that tech has the ability to bring someone back from the dead...hint hint!  If this is not the case then why did they not tell us how he came back to life like that,and where Cerberus just happended to have the most advanced tech in history acquire this tech. It points to the Reapers.

Reapers could very well be ancient humans who have lost there human form and are now AI's, are looking for a way to recreate there dead species through evolution (which takes millions of years)Sovereign- We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution-.......The only resaon that they would do this is because they are looking for something specific, other wise there is no need to control it.

The clue to this is the way Shepard is brought back from the dead...Look at his scars...Look at the Genetic goo pumped into the HUMAN REAPER.......notice any conections !

Modifié par KevShep, 04 février 2011 - 01:37 .

[DxWill10]

AdamBoozer wrote...

Do not insult my intelegence.

I lol'd

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe the reapers were created by an organic species like the quarians with the geth.  chances are they destroyed their creators.  After so much time of technological advances,, their entire methods of thinking changed.  After a time, they believe organic life is a virus and they are the salvation / cure.  They're purpose seems to be to

A) ensure new species thrive and flourish by exterminating those they have harvested and utilized for whatever means they deem necessary.  (Similar to the dinosaurs. Their extinction paved the way for, mamals to evolve into the intelligence humans have now)

Harvesting those species(es) they deem worthy of 'ascendence', perfecting it in the process of their conversion from species into reaper.  They view humanity as worthy, and imo, if they suceeded, the human reaper would probably end up being the new harbinger, perhaps after a few cycles of harvesting experience, harbinger and human reaper would have an epic battle by the ancient laws of reaper combat.  To decide for good and all! Who holds sway over the milky way galaxy.  Us Natives... born right-wise to this fine galaxy!  Or the foreign hordes defiling it!

Ok sorry for the sudden movie quote it just sprung up on me.  Anyway, Reapers > everything.  Except for Shepard of course.

[JediNg]

Neutronium is an outdated name for 'element zero'
Speculation: First and only race to reach technological singularity.

Modifié par JediNg, 09 février 2011 - 07:36 .

[IamSithari]

Quick theory what if the reapers are from future or being so

Advanced their hyperdimensional. It bugs me that Sov referred

To itself the sameway Legion did. The geth heretics, which i killed

So not to bothered by them in ME3, seemed a lot like pre-reapers to

Me. Legion spoke of this "geth future" whatever that means. And I believe

The reapers use dark energy to communicate with eachother and their

Indoc's across long distances. By using the radiation and gravity wells around

stars they sure could. Haelstrom for instance, TIM's star which changes colors throughout

The game not just at end, pay attention when he's talking during missions before

You attack the collectors twice, and he was playing both sides of the coin

. Anyway dark energy is gonna play a big role in 3, it was mentioned

In more than one key missions, you can't say im wrong because the

Reapers are like humans to ants in an ant farm.

[IamSithari]

Listen to what the harbringer/collector say to your team mates

When he's attacking them. Asari are weak for needing others dna.

Turians too primative, socially. Krogans genetically defiled by the genophage.

Salarians insufficant life span. Quarians weak immune systems. Drell

Insufficant numbers. Geth lack of organics. It always complimented

Humans on everything, social structure, technology, abilities, knowledge,

And each per lifespan. Common has anyone ever seen a turian biotic.

[Tennessee88]

They are kittens