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[Knoll Argonar]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Knoll Argonar wrote...

... No ·_·

um...yes.....

No need to explain this. It was originally planned for ME1, then recovered thanks to fans. Not coming out of nowhere.

So, as I said, no. Period.

Just cause it was planned doesn't make it so.  She showed no inclination of romantic feelings towards Shepard in ME1.  More to the point, my renegade Shepard treated her like garbage.  Didn't let her take the info for the Quarians for her pilgrimage, in ME 2 he further refused to let her take Veetor back to the Flotilla, and she was still supposedly interested in Shepard.  Ridiculous in my opinion.

The same ridiculous thing that Knowing Liara sends your corpse to Cerberus because she "couldn't let you go" even if you recruit her after Virmire, treat her like an ass and never use her.

Or the same ridiculous thing that not even recruiting Garrus and finding him in Omega like you just were old friends.

Retarded argument is retarded.

In fact she does show you if you talk  to her and help her that for her you're at least some damn close friend, the closest she ever had. That's fine with me: You know someone -> friend or closer -> you miss him -> you realize he was not just a friend -> love. Evolution of a healthy relationship, at least psycologically, better if you roleplay well enought to feel the same way about her.

[Sesshomaru47]

How do you know she showed no romantic feelings towards man-Shepard in ME1? Hmmmm? She was a young girl on her Pilgrimage, she was pretty enthusiastic every time you went to speak to her. She would have been pretty shy around people.

Out everyone that's new her and Garrus seem like to most believable. Maybe it's because they're from ME1 or maybe it's because I wanted to romance Garrus in first game or because I have thing for Turians...damn it Nilhus why did you die....

[Knoll Argonar]

Not stupid, just retcon.



Doesn't make the actual Romance worse, so if you're not going to talk about Romances the way it was though to be, please get out of this Topic.

[Lareit]

Knoll Argonar wrote...




The same ridiculous thing that Knowing Liara sends your corpse to Cerberus because she "couldn't let you go" even if you recruit her after Virmire, treat her like an ass and never use her.

Or the same ridiculous thing that not even recruiting Garrus and finding him in Omega like you just were old friends.

Retarded argument is retarded.

In fact she does show you if you talk  to her and help her that for her you're at least some damn close friend, the closest she ever had. That's fine with me: You know someone -> friend or closer -> you miss him -> you realize he was not just a friend -> love. Evolution of a healthy relationship, at least psycologically, better if you roleplay well enought to feel the same way about her.

Umm dude you're arguing with a troll.

Just a heads up.

Modifié par Lareit, 02 mars 2010 - 09:13 .

[Knoll Argonar]

Yeah I know, I'm not bothered at all, just wanted to point out what I think about Tali's Romance while I give this user some owneage (to him at least for me, hur).



Just to let other people to talk about it, and what you may expect about LI being carried through a whole trilogy as a way to get a "more developed" romance than in an Stand Alone game like DA:O.

[applehug]

Bioware's heads would be put on a pike if the ME2 LI wasn't a legitimate choice. Just look at the Tali topic.

[Collider]

keegdarv1 wrote...

lol got to love how some people only listen to one thing and right away go "Tali risking her life isnt a fling"

All romacnes can be looked at as a fling if one wanted to see it that way again I dont feel that way, i do think romance Tali is odd cause to be shes Shepards "little sister" that he protects and looks after and romancing her is risking her life but calm down Im not putting Tali down was just using it as the exsample since it was the one beiing used

lawl I was calm, was just sayin in response to the people who consider it to be a fling. no damage done mate

[Akka le Vil]

jtav wrote...

I've heard several people say that the ME2
romances were created solely or mostly as temptation for players to
"cheat" on their ME partner and that these relationships were never
intended to be lasting or receive the closure that an ME romance will.

Considering the only person I wanted to romance in ME1 was Tali, that Ashley was nuked on Virmire, that Liara was boring as hell to me and that though I like Kaidan a lot, my Shep is deinifitely straight, I'm afraid that your idea of "cheating on your ME partner" doesn't really apply to me

Nozybidaj wrote...

This.  I always felt that the ME2 LIs were a fling (ninja romance anyone) but the ME1 LIs (Liara, Ashley, Kaidan) seemed much more genuine.

Opinions, everyone has 'em.

You know, it doesn't work just to switch two words and pretend it's equally as valid...

The romances of ME1 were, in fact, "ninja-romance" (especially Liara, which would just jump on you after talking two minutes) and it was hard to feel depth in them considering how quickly they happened.
ME2 romances take a bit more time, especially with Garrus and Tali that you have known for one entire game before they start to happen, so they are much more believable.

So just putting "ME2" in place of "ME1" doesn't make it...

Darht Jayder wrote...

Just cause it was planned doesn't
make it so.  She showed no inclination of romantic feelings towards
Shepard in ME1.  More to the point, my renegade Shepard treated her like
garbage.  Didn't let her take the info for the Quarians for her
pilgrimage, in ME 2 he further refused to let her take Veetor back to
the Flotilla, and she was still supposedly interested in Shepard. 
Ridiculous in my opinion.

May depend on people, but I certainly felt her quite ambiguous in ME1. It didn't surprise me at all that she ended up as a LI in ME2, in fact I rather expected it - and as I kept myself clear from spoilers, I didn't knew it beforehand.

I can't contradict you about the renegade part though, as I just can't bring myself to play one, but honestly that's a common flaw in RPG romances : LI are set up from the start (it's decided that they will be interested in the PC) and not really "built on".

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 02 mars 2010 - 09:52 .

[Nozybidaj]

Akka le Vil wrote...

You know, it doesn't work just to switch two words and pretend it's equally as valid...

The romances of ME1 were, in fact, "ninja-romance" (especially Liara, which would just jump on you after talking two minutes) and it was hard to feel depth in them considering how quickly they happened.
ME2 romances take a bit more time, especially with Garrus and Tali that you have known for one entire game before they start to happen, so they are much more believable.

So just putting "ME2" in place of "ME1" doesn't make it...

You have the same number of conversations with the group in ME2 as you did in ME1 and the ME2 group is basically throwing themselves at your feet from the first convo, hell Tali is being thrown at you before you even talk to her as Kelly indicates her romantic interest soon as she is on the ship.  

What you quoted that I posted was obviously meant to be sarcastic, but if you want to be serious for a moment there is no difference in depth/quantity or presentation format of the romances between ME1 and ME2.  Any significance, or lack there of, is entirely dependent from a person's own interpretation of the events.

Hence my comment that every post in this entire thread is only opinion and no one LI from either game is any more or less significant than another.

[naledgeborn]

Lawl at most comments in this thread. The devs should def take a page from the Morrigan vs Leliana romance (especially when you can persuade check/lie to Leliana). Here's to a classic Miri vs Ash showdown.

[naledgeborn]

Lawl at most comments in this thread. The devs should def take a page from the Morrigan vs Leliana romance (especially when you can persuade check/lie to Leliana). Here's to a classic Miri vs Ash showdown.

[Akka le Vil]

Nozybidaj wrote...

You have the same number of conversations with the group in ME2 as you did in ME1 and the ME2 group is basically throwing themselves at your feet from the first convo, hell Tali is being thrown at you before you even talk to her as Kelly indicates her romantic interest soon as she is on the ship. 

From the quote you answer to :
especially with Garrus and Tali that you have known for one entire game
before they start to happen

It can also be argued that Jack is just f-ed in the head (so you can't really base your judgement about her relationship on "normal" criteria) and that Miranda has extensively studied you, and then spent two years rebuilding you, which means that there is already some (one-sided) history between her and Shepard.

In other words, all these don't come as much "out of the blue" compared to Liara (pun intended).

[Knoll Argonar]

Agreed with Akka le Vil.



Oh, and remember, you have first a mission that involves EXCLUSIVELY you and that character, in the middle of the game, not at the end of his development as a LI, so that's more than what any ME1 LI character has.